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I admit i am a huge fan of Harvey but i think for the next game you only drop one player and thats Maher and bring in Bevan or Leahman. Harvey showed what he could do last night as well as Symonds.

Symonds-143 great effort
Harvey-24 of 18 balls-4 for 58 off 9.2 another great effort.

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Still not a Harvey fan.

His bowling was pretty average, with inflated wickets from bowling when the tail were trying to slog.

His batting was ok against a paki team turning into a rabble.

Still have him ahead of Bevan though.
 
i must admit i've never been a fan of Harvey but he showed the goods last night.

i agree that Maher will be dropped for Leahman but Harvey will have to make way when Beven comes back. I don't think he has the captains backing as Symonds does.

Hoggy will stay due to Warnes absence.
 
Originally posted by Port01
Still not a Harvey fan.

His bowling was pretty average, with inflated wickets from bowling when the tail were trying to slog.

His batting was ok against a paki team turning into a rabble.

Still have him ahead of Bevan though.
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I thought he bowled ok early as he had 2-26 off 6 but then Latif and Akram ripped 19 off his 7th but that happens. Came back and got some consolation wickets at the end but did his job on the day. Will be first to go when either Lehmann or Bevan are ready but proved a handy back up. Is Martyn safe?
 

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I liked the way Harvey played last night but he still has to make way.He bowled very well and was more a victim of the fact that the Pakis had to take the runs off someone and he and Hogg copped the brunt of it.I think Harvs and Maher will make way which puts alot of pressure on Boof and Symonds.
 
Bring in Bevan for Maher and Lehmann for Hogg, easy.

Lehmann will do as good a job or better with the ball as a spinner than Hogg will whilst Harvey will add variety with his medium pace bowling.

Hogg adds nothing that isn't already in the side whilst Harvey does, it is that simple.
 
Lehmann shouldn't come in. I don't rate him at all, but Maher's spot must be shaky. But Bevan returning doesn't make me feel much better as his form all summer has been average.

Harvey must stay. He batted well and made important runs, also giving Symonds plenty of the strike when he was belting the Paks around. His bowling was excellent. You can't drop someone who picked up 4 wickets, his variation is his greatest asset. None of the other all-rounders/part timers have the same variation.

For those who say he only got the tailenders. Well Brett Lee used to do that, but no one was saying we drop him, were they?

But why do we need to change a winning side?
 
Originally posted by Zombie
Hogg adds nothing that isn't already in the side whilst Harvey does, it is that simple.
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??? Surely you jest.
Hogg is the only specialist spinner we have, and he can also bat a bit too. As seen last night, he's very hard to pick and can take wickets.
There is no reason at all for him to get dropped.
 
Originally posted by Zombie
Hogg adds nothing that isn't already in the side whilst Harvey does, it is that simple.
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A spinner?

Originally posted by Zombie

Harvey will add variety with his medium pace bowling.
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His 130km/h medium pacers aren't much different to the 135km/h medium pacers that Glenn McGrath bowls.

Harvey had a good match, but if history is anything to go by, it'll be his last good one for a while.
 
Originally posted by Zombie
Bring in Bevan for Maher and Lehmann for Hogg, easy.

Lehmann will do as good a job or better with the ball as a spinner than Hogg will whilst Harvey will add variety with his medium pace bowling.

Hogg adds nothing that isn't already in the side whilst Harvey does, it is that simple.
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Lehmann contains and Hogg takes wickets.On top of that he is probably the best and most dangerous fielder in the side now that Punters in the slips.
 
Originally posted by Darky
A spinner?
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Lehmann is a better spinner than Hogg is, with Lehmann in the side there is no need for Hogg.

His 130km/h medium pacers aren't much different to the 135km/h medium pacers than Glenn McGrath bowls.

Harvey had a good match, but if history is anything to go by, it'll be his last good one for a while.
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His ability to vary his deliveries is what makes him different, nothing to do with speed. I don't know how you can suggest Harvey is inconsistent, he has taken 21 wickets in his last 15 appearence for Australia, fairly handy if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by dogboy23
Lehmann contains and Hogg takes wickets.On top of that he is probably the best and most dangerous fielder in the side now that Punters in the slips.
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Wrong, Lehmann takes more wickets than Hogg does and Hogg gives away slightly less runs so in fact you have it completely wrong.

Hogg contains and Lehmann takes wickets.

I've never seen Hogg do much special in the field, he always seems to take to much time changing to his left hand side to claim runouts and he has a bit of a girly overarm throw. I'd rate atleast Punter and Symonds as better fielders with probably the likes of Hayden, Lee, McGrath etc as good. Not nearly good enough to tip the balance.
 

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Originally posted by Squeak
Yeah, and so's Brad Young. Why not have Joe Scuderi open the bowling for that matter.
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Darren Lehmann is a better bowler than Hogg at any form of the game at any level, I challenge you to prove otherwise.
 
Lehmann's figures are better than Hogg's in every form of the game, which I am sure you are basing your argument on.

I'm basing my argument on the fact that he doesn't get given 10 overs, Hogg does. Also, Hogg's last 7 matches have realised 14 wickets at 19.79.
 
Originally posted by Catman
Lehmann shouldn't come in. I don't rate him at all
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Darren Lehmann will probably come out and score a match winning hundred after you've said that Catman!! :D

It may be worth resting Bevan for another match... you can never be too sure about muscle injuries and with Symonds in good form, there's no need to rush Bevan back into the side.

One change... Lehmann for Maher.
 
Originally posted by ScouseCat
Darren Lehmann will probably come out and score a match winning hundred after you've said that Catman!! :D

It may be worth resting Bevan for another match... you can never be too sure about muscle injuries and with Symonds in good form, there's no need to rush Bevan back into the side.

One change... Lehmann for Maher.
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I agree with your reasoning Scouse.

Hey Catman I would appreciated you bagging our players this world cup. It does seem to help their form. I've already done my bit by slagging off Gilly all day.
 

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Originally posted by Squeak
Lehmann's figures are better than Hogg's in every form of the game, which I am sure you are basing your argument on.

I'm basing my argument on the fact that he doesn't get given 10 overs, Hogg does. Also, Hogg's last 7 matches have realised 14 wickets at 19.79.
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So what? What difference does it make that Hogg gets 8 overs a match and Lehmann gets 5? Not much difference there, Lehmann still bowls better.

Lets make it a bit more round and not produce statistics that just suit your argument by picking a number like7. Lets take the last 10 matches from each player:

Lehmann 9 wickets at 19.66 with an economy rate of 3.57
Hogg 15 wickets at 27.13 with an economy rate of 4.84

Once again Lehmann wins out.
 
I too agree with SC, I'd bring in Lehmann for Maher and let Bevan rest another match or two and let Symonds, Harvey and Hogg battle out to see who Bevan will replace.
 
Originally posted by Catman
I'll say it again. Why do we need to change the side?
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If you're so reluctant to tamper with a winning side, why have you being campaigning so relentlessly for Symonds to be dropped from a side that finished the VB comp on a high?
 
Originally posted by Zombie


Lets make it a bit more round and not produce statistics that just suit your argument

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Like you did before?You said he had taken more wickets but left out the fact one has played 69 more matches.You cant use statistics to rate the two as bowlers they are completely different.Put it this way if we needed one of the two to bowl to a set batsman and actually dismiss a batsman with a good nut not have him make a mistake then surely even you would take Hogg.
 
Originally posted by dogboy23
Like you did before?You said he had taken more wickets but left out the fact one has played 69 more matches.
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When did I say Lehmann had taken more wickets than Hogg? How about we think before we speak OK?

You cant use statistics to rate the two as bowlers they are completely different.Put it this way if we needed one of the two to bowl to a set batsman and actually dismiss a batsman with a good nut not have him make a mistake then surely even you would take Hogg.
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No I wouldn't, I would take Lehmann as he is the better bowler and is more likely to take a wicket than Hogg is.
 
Originally posted by noodle
Hey Catman I would appreciated you bagging our players this world cup. It does seem to help their form. I've already done my bit by slagging off Gilly all day.
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:D

Gilly certainly does need to make some runs. There is no in between with him. It's either massive score or nothing. Apart from some great innings this summer, which have been very few and far between he hasn't had a good past few months with the bat.

How's that? Good enough? :D
 

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