How have we improved under MM ?

[ABRL]

FWIW, freezing out and then trading Jeremy Laidler looks like a horrible MM mistake to me. Decent player, and I think you could have used him.

MM seems have a habit of doing this sort of thing. Just gets a set against a certain, seemingly reasonable, player and won't play them.

 

[blueboy25]

FWIW, freezing out and then trading Jeremy Laidler looks like a horrible MM mistake to me. Decent player, and I think you could have used him.

MM seems have a habit of doing this sort of thing. Just gets a set against a certain, seemingly reasonable, player and won't play them.

Can you list the other players that Mick has frozen out and then traded that went on to great things?

 

[ABRL]

The 'going on to great things' part isn't my point. More that he just decides that a player who has previously seemed decent doesn't fit his style, and doesn't really seem to give them much of a chance. Some will go on to become better somewhere else, some will have their confidence shaken, and won't ever reclaim their form. He makes up his mind very quickly and doesn't tend to change it, I guess you'd say. Other coaches seem to give players more of a second chance.

Some will say it's his prerogative as a result of being a coach for so long and knowing his stuff, I think he can be a bit pig-headed about it.

Anyway, it's your board, will leave it alone, just an opinion. He seemed like an MM type player to me.

What did you think of his treatment of Laidler, and asking him to play forward?

 

[blueboy25]

The 'going on to great things' part isn't my point. More that he just decides that a player who has previously seemed decent doesn't fit his style, and doesn't really seem to give them much of a chance. Some will go on to become better somewhere else, some will have their confidence shaken, and won't ever reclaim their form. He makes up his mind very quickly and doesn't tend to change it, I guess you'd say. Other coaches seem to give players more of a second chance.

Some will say it's his prerogative as a result of being a coach for so long and knowing his stuff, I think he can be a bit pig-headed about it.

Anyway, it's your board, will leave it alone, just an opinion. He seemed like an MM type player to me.

What did you think of his treatment of Laidler, and asking him to play forward?

If the coach asks you to play in a different position then I wouldn't expect you to sulk about it.

I think Malthouse has a great ability in turning ok players in to very good role players like Everitt for us this year and someone like Leigh Brown for the pies.

 

[etsal1]

FWIW, freezing out and then trading Jeremy Laidler looks like a horrible MM mistake to me. Decent player, and I think you could have used him.

MM seems have a habit of doing this sort of thing. Just gets a set against a certain, seemingly reasonable, player and won't play them.

Laidler was ditched for having a poor attitude and not liking the fact he had to earn a game.

He did the same @ Geelong. And will most likely do the same @ Sydney when Alex Johnson comes back & he is sent to the NEAFL.

 

[ABRL]

If the coach asks you to play in a different position then I wouldn't expect you to sulk about it.

I think Malthouse has a great ability in turning ok players in to very good role players like Everitt for us this year and someone like Leigh Brown for the pies.

That is true, and I would say the same thing about Carlisle at EFC.

Playing forward didn't work though - and I do think you could still have used him as a backman. Do you agree?

 

[Windhover]

Can you list the other players that Mick has frozen out and then traded that went on to great things?

Heath Scotland and Mal Michael say hi and, if I were being cheeky, so does Mat Clape (Premiership player 1995 is pretty great).

Actually, I agree with you that Mick does NOT have a habit of losing good cattle and the above players do not represent a habit. This makes the Laidler mistake all the more perplexing. It was not like we didn't keep a whole heap of dross among defenders - Duigan, Bootsma, Scotland (again) and Watson who were all getting games ahead of Laidler last year. This is one of the reason I reckon a good coach has gotten old and past it.

 

[Blue since 72]

The 'going on to great things' part isn't my point. More that he just decides that a player who has previously seemed decent doesn't fit his style, and doesn't really seem to give them much of a chance. Some will go on to become better somewhere else, some will have their confidence shaken, and won't ever reclaim their form. He makes up his mind very quickly and doesn't tend to change it, I guess you'd say. Other coaches seem to give players more of a second chance.

Some will say it's his prerogative as a result of being a coach for so long and knowing his stuff, I think he can be a bit pig-headed about it.

Anyway, it's your board, will leave it alone, just an opinion. He seemed like an MM type player to me.

What did you think of his treatment of Laidler, and asking him to play forward?

I don't think it was over the top. People got upset because he played the role Ratten wanted him to quite well however Mick has a different defensive setup ie; a mix of out and out stoppers in the likes of Rowe and Jamo and faster counter attack players in Walker, Yarran and the like.

Ratten favoured a third man up style which Laidler and Duigan were good at but they were both in between in terms of size so couldn't go one on one with the big forwards and neither was blessed with much pace.

Laidler was given an opportunity to find a different position on the field but struggled so he was let go. Duigan would have been kept on primarily as depth and to help with the youngsters in the Northern Blues but his knee packed it in.

This is Waston's problem as well, he's a third man up type but at his size should really be body on body, something he continues to struggle with.

 

[Windhover]

Laidler was ditched for having a poor attitude and not liking the fact he had to earn a game.

He did the same @ Geelong. And will most likely do the same @ Sydney when Alex Johnson comes back & he is sent to the NEAFL.

This is b/s. Geelong were sorry to lose Laidler, he was NOT ditched - he walked because he (rightly IMO) thought he was good enough to get a game. You, and more importantly Mick seem to think differently, more is the pity for us.

 

[gbatman]

FWIW, freezing out and then trading Jeremy Laidler looks like a horrible MM mistake to me. Decent player, and I think you could have used him.

MM seems have a habit of doing this sort of thing. Just gets a set against a certain, seemingly reasonable, player and won't play them.

Laidler is a decent player but Simon White has taken preference over him. White plays taller and is quicker and has had a pretty good season apart from his first few games. Malthouse just saw something in Laidler he wasn't keen on and the few games Laider got he made a lot of very costly mistakes and maybe that did it. Either way we aren't really missing him and he's getting a consistent game so everything worked out.

 

[etsal1]

This is b/s. Geelong were sorry to lose Laidler, he was NOT ditched - he walked because he (rightly IMO) thought he was good enough to get a game. You, and more importantly Mick seem to think differently, more is the pity for us.

Quotes from Laidler suggest otherwise + the VFL performances I witnessed.

Pity for us having to read some of your essays driven by your hatred of Mick.

 

[etsal1]

Windhover is Mark Robinson

 

[gbatman]

When was the last time Mark Robinson wrote anything insightful or worth reading. The guy just spews out negativity. Garbage journoulist. The media are just trying to retire everyone, they've got their wish with Jonathan Brown, had a fair crack at Judd and are now all over Malthouse. FMD