List Mgmt. Is pick 2 get-able?

[Wally Matera]

We'd get pick 2 but not pick 1. There is a big gap between Boyd and the rest. Often there is a few top shelf prospects, this year not really.

Maybe. But you sort of helped my argument anyway... we'd only get 2 this year because the standard of player is questionable. Therein lies the disappointment with Lids really.

 

[tigs2010]

Maybe. But you sort of helped my argument anyway... we'd only get 2 this year because the standard of player is questionable. Therein lies the disappointment with Lids really.

I think we'd lose massively in the deal. He's a fair bit more valuable than the guys at pick 2 but not as valuable as getting a huge KPF star in the making that you can build a side around. Next year he could be worth less with a whole heap of big guys. Where as last year I wouldn't have traded him for pick 1.

 

[tropicaltiger]

Pick 12 and Deledio might get it done - not saying we should do it but that is the kind of currency we would need to be offering. Foley, sadly, wouldn't be worth much due to age and injury history.

agreed and good i hope foley retires in about 2017 with at least 1 tiger premiership medallion to his name

 

[El Tigre]

I could well see Foley will struggle to make it to the end of his contract, as he has rapidly become a fringe 22 player. His age is against him, the younger guys are coming thru, and the position/role of a clearance mid has been redfined. What he does for him is he will have had a bit for time to overcome injuries.
My guess is he will retire the end of 2014.

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

I hope you're right.

Question: take the rose coloured glasses off for a minute, what do you think Lids would get us at a trade table now?

GWS certainly wouldnt swap their number 1 pick for him and l reckon they wouldnt even do number 2 for him.

Only because they're not in premiership contention, not because he's not worth it. Freo, Hawks, Swans, would gladly trade it.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I hope you're right.

Question: take the rose coloured glasses off for a minute, what do you think Lids would get us at a trade table now?

GWS certainly wouldnt swap their number 1 pick for him and l reckon they wouldnt even do number 2 for him.

Depending on which club it was.
GWS definitely would because they are desperate to land a big name player with experience.
Melbourne would have too as proved by their willingness to trade pick 2.
Deledio is a very good player.
But as you say perhaps not every team would trade pick 2 for him but he's a certain first rounder.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Yup. The day he turns 35 and has no cartilage left on his knees.

And has 350+ games, numerous b&fs and hopefully a few premierships too

 

[TigermanM2]

He was talking about Nahas with that statement you silly..... that's why it had a '+' sign after the Foley description....

oops

 

[TigermanM2]

Nahas is out of contract

Apologies.

 

[Googstar]

Long answer to OP question, no.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Pick 2 & Adams for Lids would have been achievable IMO.
But with our Window opening up,We wouldn't have done it.
He's our most skilled player on our list.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

agreed and good i hope foley retires in about 2017 with at least 1 tiger premiership medallion to his name

agreed!

 

[Mr Magic]

Not really worth pursuing. From what I read there is little difference between pick 2~15. Will be giving up a quality player and our pick 12 for a player only marginally better than the one we'd get with pick 12.

Agree with this . That type of logic probably more apprpriate for Omeara mini draft pick.

Interesting Shaw does little for GWS and is relatively expensive , they are starting to look iffy going forward, interesting to see what they do in the next few years

 

[Mr Magic]

Don't think we will somehow!
I reckon we nearly got the pick of the crop with our pick 9 last year anyway.

Ha ha, not sure absolute pick of the crop, but I agree with your sentiments, Vlastuin very close to the pick of the crop

 

[Goldust]

ALL I'll say is hindsight is a good thing, but the time to trade Foley and demand real currency was three years ago ... and he would have commanded a top pick or real good trade.
As I say hindsight ... though will say, I think it was pretty easy to predict how Foley's career has turned out over the last three years given his injuries, which is why I advocated back then to move him on and get a good deal out of it!

 

[RichoLedio]

And has 350+ games, numerous b&fs and hopefully a few premierships too

Can see him going very close to 400 games just quietly (touch wood)

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Can see him going very close to 400 games just quietly (touch wood)

Yep and the fact some of our supporters want to trade him for and unknown / unproven talent has me scratching my head.

A few too many fantasy football managers around here

 

[TheAnt]

I never understood the fascination of trading Lids. Never.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I'd love to see the stats but I would say that every time you go to the draft table there is probably about a 40-50% chance of getting a player to be a good player to play 100 games for you . And that's with a first round pick.perhaps slightly higher with a top 5,and a bit higher again with pick 1. Maybe around 80% pick 1.
Over 200 games it would be half those percentages.
To get a dual best and fairest winner and All Australian would be very low percentages.Not to mention durability,versatility, and to be In your prime right now as the team improves is like striking gold.
To trade that out for another go at the lotto completely defeats the purpose of having pick 1 or a top 5 pick and nailing it to begin with.
It's complete madness. I've never understood it as you'd be running around in circles forever.
The key is to nail your future high picks to add to that pick.. Cotchin,Martin,Conca,Vlaustin,Vickery
To hit with your high end later picks... Riewoldt,Rance,Ellis.
To find the art of identifying talent elsewhere and bring them across with smart trading and free agency... Maric,Houli,Grigg,Chaplin.
Find some players outside of the normal means.. King,Grimes,Morris,Tuck,Foley
Develop your mid range picks to be reliable players all teams need... Newman,Jackson,Edwards.
Keep adding ,culling at the edges,drafting well and identifying talent.
That's how you get somewhere eventually slowly but surely.
Knee jerking and looking for quick fixes,tail chasing .. We have done plenty of that in the past.
This is the better way.

 

[KingJ]

Would not do Lids for Pick 2 in this draft, nor many others, only Drafts possibly 07/08.

 

[Wally Matera]

Depending on which club it was.
GWS definitely would because they are desperate to land a big name player with experience.
Melbourne would have too as proved by their willingness to trade pick 2.
Deledio is a very good player.
But as you say perhaps not every team would trade pick 2 for him but he's a certain first rounder.

Funny, the post directly above you went the other way. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but he's not delivering on what he should be.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Funny, the post directly above you went the other way. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but he's not delivering on what he should be.

I wasn't going the other way I was just saying what he'd be worth in a hypothetical trade.
I don't believe in trading him though or any player of real quality.