Oppo Camp James Aish (Traded to Freo 2019)

[DaVe86]

Aish lacks weapons. It's that simple.

Not big or strong enough to be a bull inside mid and not quick enough on the outside to get separation and be a real damaging option there. Doesn't run and carry or break the lines (like he did as a 16 year old in the SANFL). He tends to play very stop and prop footy.

His hand ball and vision is usually top notch but his kicking a bit hit and miss so far. Definitely haven't seen the supposedly elite kick that he was touted pre draft.

I don't think he has an elite kick in regards to being able to hit 50 metre targets with a precision kick. But he is very reliable over short distances and also a pretty accurate shot on goal. I think he is a clean player, but also a very safe player. Needs to back himself and his decision making.

I think his skills are quite good. He is a good mark, good kick and good handball. Has a dip in relation to tackling but probably needs a bit more upper body strength. Not quick, but not a plodder either.

He can make it, but clearly seems to be a confidence player.

 

[loki04]

I don't think he has an elite kick in regards to being able to hit 50 metre targets with a precision kick. But he is very reliable over short distances and also a pretty accurate shot on goal. I think he is a clean player, but also a very safe player. Needs to back himself and his decision making.

I think his skills are quite good. He is a good mark, good kick and good handball. Has a dip in relation to tackling but probably needs a bit more upper body strength. Not quick, but not a plodder either.

He can make it, but clearly seems to be a confidence player.

Yep he is a "neat" short kick and plays too safe. Which is counter productive as it holds up our play and allows the opposition to get back in numbers.

An elite kick is elite no matter the distance like Buckley was.

 

[soreplums]

We keep playing him on a wing and half forward, that's not him and we have better guys to play that role anyway.

His best footy is around the ball and stoppages. But due to our midfield there isn't much game time for him in there so I guess he waits for injury to get a game. Or he goes to the VFL and works on playing as a wing. Which he doesn't because we play him mostly around stoppages when he plays VFL. It's a lose lose situation for him.

100% agree.

He is a natural centreman. Would be great if he could make the transition to a wing, but I think this will take time as he is not naturally accustomed to this role- unless he sets up for this at stoppages and plays as an extra inside mid as Luke ball did when he was named on the wing

 

[robertg22]

100% agree.

He is a natural centreman. Would be great if he could make the transition to a wing, but I think this will take time as he is not naturally accustomed to this role- unless he sets up for this at stoppages and plays as an extra inside mid as Luke ball did when he was named on the wing

I don't think he's strong enough, gets pushed off the ball too easily.

 

[Prochard123]

Aish lacks weapons. It's that simple.

Not big or strong enough to be a bull inside mid and not quick enough on the outside to get separation and be a real damaging option there. Doesn't run and carry or break the lines (like he did as a 16 year old in the SANFL). He tends to play very stop and prop footy.

His hand ball and vision is usually top notch but his kicking a bit hit and miss so far. Definitely haven't seen the supposedly elite kick that he was touted pre draft.

Alot of players lack 'weapons' but still can be elite. Technically speaking none of Pendlebury, S Mitchell, Priddis, JPK, Cripps are damaging due to their lack of athleticism initially. However they have developed into great players with experience and footy intelligence. Pendlebury, Mitchell now knows how to find 'space' and the right positions to run to. JPK and Cripps gained immense size to dominate clearances. Priddis still isn't strong nor a player who's smart like Pendles but is still in the elite tier of inside mids.

You don't need a weapon to excel in AFL, you just need all of your attributes to reach a certain level and become a well-rounded player. Can see Aish doing that, but he needs to work harder to develop as an outside mid right now.

 

[The Plowking]

An excellent *3 games.

Fixed.
And hope he responds to the kick up the bum.

 

[TradeDraft]

We keep playing him on a wing and half forward, that's not him and we have better guys to play that role anyway.

His best footy is around the ball and stoppages. But due to our midfield there isn't much game time for him in there so I guess he waits for injury to get a game. Or he goes to the VFL and works on playing as a wing. Which he doesn't because we play him mostly around stoppages when he plays VFL. It's a lose lose situation for him.

I think the same thing as in the VFL he plays a Different Role then in the AFL. Does make it hard for him to Settle into 1 Postion

 

[TradeDraft]

Aish lacks weapons. It's that simple.

Not big or strong enough to be a bull inside mid and not quick enough on the outside to get separation and be a real damaging option there. Doesn't run and carry or break the lines (like he did as a 16 year old in the SANFL). He tends to play very stop and prop footy.

His hand ball and vision is usually top notch but his kicking a bit hit and miss so far. Definitely haven't seen the supposedly elite kick that he was touted pre draft.

So he is very overrated by people. Because of the Suppose Lack of Weapons he has nothing to set him apart and he is another that Could Dominates in the State Leagues but can't make the Jump to the AFL?

 

[sr36]

An elite kick is elite no matter the distance like Buckley was.

Buck's wasn't elite over a short distance. Kicked it way too hard making it difficult to mark also resulting in more shanks than was ideal. But he was the best I've ever seen over a long distance.

 

[loki04]

So he is very overrated by people. Because of the Suppose Lack of Weapons he has nothing to set him apart and he is another that Could Dominates in the State Leagues but can't make the Jump to the AFL?

I think he is still capable of being a good AFL player dave, just don't think he will become one of the games elite.

Put it this way he has a long way to go to reach the heights of his pre draft rating.

 

[loki04]

Buck's wasn't elite over a short distance. Kicked it way too hard making it difficult to mark also resulting in more shanks than was ideal. But he was the best I've ever seen over a long distance.

Disagree he was elite over any distance, he may have kicked it too hard (subjective really) early days but not many people seemed to drop them so it's a moot point.

Buckley and shanks you are joking, it was rare thing to see Buckley shank a footy over any distance.

 

[jmac70]

Aish showed a poor attitude last week and has been punished for it. Good decision by the club and hopefully he learns from it.

 

[loki04]

Alot of players lack 'weapons' but still can be elite. Technically speaking none of Pendlebury, S Mitchell, Priddis, JPK, Cripps are damaging due to their lack of athleticism initially. However they have developed into great players with experience and footy intelligence. Pendlebury, Mitchell now knows how to find 'space' and the right positions to run to. JPK and Cripps gained immense size to dominate clearances. Priddis still isn't strong nor a player who's smart like Pendles but is still in the elite tier of inside mids.

You don't need a weapon to excel in AFL, you just need all of your attributes to reach a certain level and become a well-rounded player. Can see Aish doing that, but he needs to work harder to develop as an outside mid right now.

Pendles is elite ball winner, awareness, vision, kicking, handball in traffic, dummy step and is a big mid being 190cm.

Mitchell elite ball winner, endurance, vision, kicking, handball and timing of meeting the fall of the ball.

I never said Aish won't make it rather I don't see him being an Elite player of the comp like was first hoped. Elite being top echelon of players.

 

[TradeDraft]

So with Aish looking to be a Confidence Player. Is Bucks a Good Coach at that as that was 1 of his Big Knocks that he was not good giving players Confidence.

Hopefully this is something he has worked on to make him a Better Coach

 

[jmac70]

So with Aish looking to be a Confidence Player. Is Bucks a Good Coach at that as that was 1 of his Big Knocks that he was not good giving players Confidence.

Hopefully this is something he has worked on to make him a Better Coach

The only person responsible for Aish being dropped is Aish.

 

[robertg22]

Fixed.
And hope he responds to the kick up the bum.

Yep agree with both points. God knows we need him to kick on!

 

[RGpies]

21 years old, some players mature quicker than others, give him time. Taylor Adams took a while coming across. How old was Dane swan when he had a break out year? But in saying that we can't expect aish to become elite, he may become a good component to the team which is all you can hope for, not every top 10 pick becomes elite

 

[TradeDraft]

Pendles is elite ball winner, awareness, vision, kicking, handball in traffic, dummy step and is a big mid being 190cm.

Mitchell elite ball winner, endurance, vision, kicking, handball and timing of meeting the fall of the ball.

I never said Aish won't make it rather I don't see him being an Elite player of the comp like was first hoped. Elite being top echelon of players.

Maybe have to Dial down my Expectations for Aish and Relise he won't be the Next Pendles as we 1st Hope he could become.

He Still be a Gun but not in there League

 

[The Plowking]

Maybe have to Dial down my Expectations for Aish and Relise he won't be the Next Pendles as we 1st Hope he could become.

He Still be a Gun but not in there League

Would have thought he would always be a notch down from Pendles.

 

[soreplums]

I don't think he's strong enough, gets pushed off the ball too easily.

Might need to build his strength in this area to compete, unless he attacks the ball on the move to buy him some space and time to dispose effectively.
I do like him though, perhaps he needs to add the wing and half back strings to his bow.

I can see him being that link player through the midfield on transition. Still think that his vision and decision making is quite good and will only get better.

 

[4tone]

I think if we were picking our best 22 this week, then Aish doesn't quite make it.

But I feel for him after missing r1, then coming back r2, then getting dropped r3. He seems to be a player that needs a bit of a cuddle and support. Seems to lack confidence and just needs to know he belongs.

In any event, I think it is better for his development that he gets to play in his preferred role at VFL level and rebuild his confidence. It worked for him last year, and when he came back to the side he was very good.

I think with our packed midfield, he probably will slot in best across half back because we are a bit light on in that area right now. I'd just have him play half back for a few weeks and build up some confidence.

Packed midfield. Its going to more packed when JDG. Wells and Wills are in. Theres no room for this guy no matter which way people spin it. In short he was cure to the Freeman disaster. Id be very surprised if he was to come good, at this moment its looking like another horror storey from a underperforming recruiting dept.

 

[TradeDraft]

Packed midfield. Its going to more packed when JDG. Wells and Wills are in. Theres no room for this guy no matter which way people spin it. In short he was cure to the Freeman disaster. Id be very surprised if he was to come good, at this moment its looking like another horror storey from a underperforming recruiting dept.

So Aish trade was a Waste of Time?

 

[doodles98]

So what's the consensus? Have we just got a Big Dud on our hands? Is he suffering from Terminal chronic spudliness, or it it just Temporary spudosity syndrome ? Your diagnosis please Dr Disco Bar.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Round 2 was his first game of the season. Few dud players in our round 1 game who weren't dropped for round 2. Bit unfair IMO. I don't see how he had a bad attitude.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Could mods please change the thread title to "James Aish - left out in the rain"

Thanks.