Jon

[mad_doggy911]

In all seriousness I do not think the RFC should waste it's time, effort, money or a place on the seniors list in order to accomodate for this hack. This kid has no ability. Saw the match yesterday and almost threw up. Pick 8? What a waste of sperm.

 

[deliberate!!]

In all seriousness I do not think the RFC should waste it's time, effort, money or a place on the seniors list in order to accomodate for this hack. This kid has no ability. Saw the match yesterday and almost threw up. Pick 8? What a waste of sperm.

Yeh mate, I'm still waiting for the club to explain what they see in this guy?
If we could just see SOMETHING.......ANYTHING then we could say, he'll get better at this or that. But I'm buggered to as why we grabbed him....go figure?

 

[polakthetiger]

There seems to be so many different viewpoints on the potential on this kid. Bit harsh on him with your comments here as a person, but he obviously didn't live up to your expectations eh!

I have never seem him play and only going by what's been said on here and media reports, so just throwing this out there...could it be possible that, I believe he is from WA, and no doubt used to the nice sandy grounds, and is basically 'struggling' in the freezing 'heavy' conditions over here.

I know many have said he has an odd kicking style so this wouldn't be an issue, but am wondering if his ability to get the ball, and even decision making, might be affected by the 'conditions'. Or is he really that bad. Top 10 would suggest he must have showed SOMETHING before being picked??

 

[Croat tiger]

Let's face it the better clubs have better scouts and recruiting departments,that just speaks for it's self.

 

[Calcium Man]

Give the kid a break. He is 19 and has been ravaged by injuries during his first 2 preseasons.

His disposal may be a little iffy but it can be improved. He has pace and a very good attitude. Was always a long term project similar to Tambling.

 

[deliberate!!]

Give the kid a break. He is 19 and has been ravaged by injuries during his first 2 preseasons.

His disposal may be a little iffy but it can be improved. He has pace and a very good attitude. Was always a long term project similar to Tambling.

There are a lot of footballers playing in local football that have 'pace and a good attitude'......doesn't mean Richmond should have them as a 'project' draftee.
duh!!

btw......his disposal is that of an AusKick kid !!

 

[deliberate!!]

There seems to be so many different viewpoints on the potential on this kid. Bit harsh on him with your comments here as a person, but he obviously didn't live up to your expectations eh!

I have never seem him play and only going by what's been said on here and media reports, so just throwing this out there...could it be possible that, I believe he is from WA, and no doubt used to the nice sandy grounds, and is basically 'struggling' in the freezing 'heavy' conditions over here.

I know many have said he has an odd kicking style so this wouldn't be an issue, but am wondering if his ability to get the ball, and even decision making, might be affected by the 'conditions'. Or is he really that bad. Top 10 would suggest he must have showed SOMETHING before being picked??

"basically 'struggling' in the freezing 'heavy' conditions"
What?.....He's an Aussie Rules player.......not a beach lifeguard.
It's a winter sport. He's not playing in the Antarctic.
No excuse.

 

[Calcium Man]

There are a lot of footballers playing in local football that have 'pace and a good attitude'......doesn't mean Richmond should have them as a 'project' draftee.
duh!!

btw......his disposal is that of an AusKick kid !!

Well they did that with Jake King and he has turned out alright.

JON isnt going anywhere for at least 2 more seasons so i dont know why you guys work yourselfs up into a frenzy every 3 or 4 weeks when he has a poor game.

He is just unlucky that his 2 worst games in the VFL this season were televised games.

 

[peejay]

Should be given more time , i mean when did we draft him?. I would say two more seasons -2009 will be his make or break year. he is taller than most think and has good speed - needs more meat on the bones to give him more confidence. Still growing into his body.

 

[kainokaino]

jake king and jon shouldnt even be mentioned together

completly different players,

jon is a lanky bloke who hasnt even fitted into a position

vfl coach is even scratching hes head and always putting jon in different positons

and hes skills are honestly shocking

the only time i saw him do something good yesterday (take a strong mark)

he rushed hes kick and kicked it straight into the man on the mark

 

[deliberate!!]

Well they did that with Jake King and he has turned out alright.

JON isnt going anywhere for at least 2 more seasons so i dont know why you guys work yourselfs up into a frenzy every 3 or 4 weeks when he has a poor game.

He is just unlucky that his 2 worst games in the VFL this season were televised games.

Mate......King doesn't move like JON, so don't even try and make that comparison.
King looks like a small brick wall, JON looks like a stick insect blowing in the wind.
King moves like a guided missile, JON moves like a giraffe on LSD!!

Btw...JON doesn't have a bad game every 3-4 weeks. Instead please tell when his last really GOOD game was?

 

[polakthetiger]

It's a winter sport. He's not playing in the Antarctic.

Well, thats my point, he probably feels he is in the Antarctic! He is a skinny kid used to running around in the warm sunshine against other skinny kids!!

 

[lids2004roar]

He is just unlucky that his 2 worst games in the VFL this season were televised games.

Exactly!!

Too many arm chair experts who don't even take the time to watch him live.

He has played many good games for Coburg this year. It's always the same posters who write off every player who hasn't succeeded imediately then when they do succeed they're like "oh, about time".

Foley was a dud a year ago too

 

[French Tiger]

People say he is quick! I am not even sold on that.A few times when i have seen him,he has had a chance to blow off someone like Deledio does,but he just laboured along & just gets his kick away before being tackled & ended up in the oppositions hands.He doesn't seem to have the awareness of whats going on around him!

 

[Calcium Man]

Mate......King doesn't move like JON, so don't even try and make that comparison.
King looks like a small brick wall, JON looks like a stick insect blowing in the wind.
King moves like a guided missile, JON moves like a giraffe on LSD!!

Jake king is also 4 years older then JON and has a fully grown body. JON has had shoulder problems restricting his ability to do weights. And he also had stress fractures that limited his fitness work.

Btw...JON doesn't have a bad game every 3-4 weeks. Instead please tell when his last really GOOD game was?

He hasnt had an exceptionally stand out game but he was good last week against frankston. Was very good against West Coast earlier in the season and his form for coburg leading into that game was also good.

 

[PLSC]

Exactly!!

Too many arm chair experts who don't even take the time to watch him live.

He has played many good games for Coburg this year. It's always the same posters who write off every player who hasn't succeeded imediately then when they do succeed they're like "oh, about time".

Foley was a dud a year ago too

dont talk shit, people didnt even know who he was until that 40 possies game and since then he has improved so no one called him a dud they just didnt know about him

jon is going to take time and a lot of it, is the sought of selection a premiership contender picks up not a rebuilding club but hey when you have peanuts in charge its not surpising

 

[deliberate!!]

Exactly!!

Too many arm chair experts who don't even take the time to watch him live.
Don't put down someone's opinion cause they can't (for whatever reason) play alongside JON - stupid justification for putting down opinions......p.s. I go to the games.

He has played many good games for Coburg this year. It's always the same posters who write off every player who hasn't succeeded imediately then when they do succeed they're like "oh, about time".
I don't right off every player, look through the board. Only those player who I've seen their 'types' before and see that they are wasting our time.

Foley was a dud a year ago too
Foley never moved like JON. Foley goes straight for the pill. JON even confuses himself. JON concentrates on getting the pill but his brain goes into seizures when he has to concentrate on disposing - and that's not a skill issue Benny, that's a brain issue........and how freakin long have we spent with Richo trying to do the right thing when he has to THINK....................Did you see that Spaz Richo on Friday night running into the goal square, under pressure, and all he had to do was kick it off the ground?......no, not Richo......couldn't think his way through the play........he fuzzed it.....no football brain.....hope JONNY boy isn't like that!!!

There you go Benny.....see my response in Red......I know nothing will change your view......as long as someone pulls on a Richmond jumper you think eventually they will be a star......lol........btw, you should have sponsored Brian Leys years ago!!!

 

[lids2004roar]

I don't know if he'll be a star.

Howver, you do seem to know he'll be a dud.

That is the difference, you think you can map out a player's future on a few glimpses at 19 years of age, I am far less confident in making these assertions. I say he shows signs that he could go either way, and so far he probably shows more positives than negatives imo

This is why I don't mind defending him, he is on track to be a 'good' player atm with potential to either be a star or a dud. You act like you know for sure he is a dud, I don't act like I know for sure because I don't.

As a general rule, I don't write off any player under 21. Even Dean Cox was labelled a chronic dud at 21, and Foley was nothing at 20. There's always hope they are young and on a list, especially young and being a high draft pick. Doesn't make it a certainty, but enhances their chances.

 

[deliberate!!]

I don't know if he'll be a star.

Howver, you do seem to know he'll be a dud.

That is the difference, you think you can map out a player's future on a few glimpses at 19 years of age, I am far less confident in making these assertions. I say he shows signs that he could go either way, and so far he probably shows more positives than negatives imo

This is why I don't mind defending him, he is on track to be a 'good' player atm with potential to either be a star or a dud. You act like you know for sure he is a dud, I don't act like I know for sure because I don't.

As a general rule, I don't write off any player under 21. Even Dean Cox was labelled a chronic dud at 21, and Foley was nothing at 20. There's always hope they are young and on a list, especially young and being a high draft pick. Doesn't make it a certainty, but enhances their chances.

They don't generally change the way they move and awareness of their body, it's use, and place in space from 18 on.

Ottens doesn't understand his bodily presence...never will.
Kozitsche has no spatial awareness.
Jeff White doesn't know how little he needs to jump at ruck duels to beat the opposing ruckman....hence he jumps over and out of duels.
Richo doesn't understand where he is in a marking duel until he has his hands on the opposition.....hence his first movement when not on a lead is to physically find his opponent. (Therefore 'hands in the back' or struggling with the backman, toe-to-toe when this is not needed)
I could pick out smaller guys to, but the list would go on.

Jackson, doesn't have half the ability of these guys, he moves like a plodder, and freezes when he has to think. Combine that with ungainly body movements not related to any growth spurts at his age(and that isn't going to change) and in a couple of years we will be trying to offload Jackson.
We will eventually pick up someone better than Jackson, hence he has no future.

Bag me now, I'll wear it.......but remember this call.

Cheers

 

[Tiger Lover]

Jackson, doesn't have half the ability of these guys, he moves like a plodder, and freezes when he has to think. Combine that with ungainly body movements not related to any growth spurts at his age(and that isn't going to change) and in a couple of years we will be trying to offload Jackson.
We will eventually pick up someone better than Jackson, hence he has no future.

Bag me now, I'll wear it.......but remember this call.

Cheers

Yep, all true about Jackson, this kid is not a footballer.

 

[lids2004roar]

Bag me now, I'll wear it.......but remember this call.

Cheers

I'm not one of the ones bagging you, just trying to get more out of you so I can understand your point of view a little clearer

 

[deliberate!!]

I'm not one of the ones bagging you, just trying to get more out of you so I can understand your point of view a little clearer

No benny.....all is fair.......I bag players......I'll cop a bagging.
If I'm wrong, it's deserved.
I'd really rather not have an opinion, cause that normally excludes fact.
I base my 'opinion' (hate that term) on players I've seen before, like him.
Btw...I still stand firm on Schulz....won't last either.
Meyer too.
(Here's a comparison, for their heights I think Meyer plays 'small' and has little impact while King plays 'taller' than his height. Ground speed and collision hindrance while punching in air to spoil opposing marking opponent is exceptionally)

Just mark me down as Jackson not having a lasting career at Richmond.(Say, more than 5 years)

And you think he'll last.
Simple.
Is that correct?

Cheers
deliberate!!

 

[lids2004roar]

This is the JON thread, not the Jackson one.

You're bagging so many players you can't keep up!

I am prepared to say JON will still be on our list in 5 years, can't say I expect Jackson to be unless his footy smarts improve.

Just have a look at previous players who have been on our list for 7 years... even David Bourke did it! Ray Hall, Andrew Krakouer, Chaffey, Hyde etc.. JON isn't terrible, he has enough good qualities to hang around for a while and if he doesn't reach his potential he'll be gone around 6 years in. Anyway this is getting boring.

 

[TIGER ROCKET]

five years is a lasting career at richmond so if jackson lasts that long that's a bloody good effort.
he is a better player than oakley nichols.has been good last month or so

 

[CoggaRules]

This is the JON thread, not the Jackson one.

You're bagging so many players you can't keep up!

I am prepared to say JON will still be on our list in 5 years, can't say I expect Jackson to be unless his footy smarts improve.

Just have a look at previous players who have been on our list for 7 years... even David Bourke did it! Ray Hall, Andrew Krakouer, Chaffey, Hyde etc.. JON isn't terrible, he has enough good qualities to hang around for a while and if he doesn't reach his potential he'll be gone around 6 years in. Anyway this is getting boring.

benny dude, thats a cop out. You and everyone else knows that what you suggest can be based purely on a face saving act by the brains trust. I mean, the allmighty new improved recruiting regime, cant afford to delist another high draft pick. So he willl get his 3 year deal. But having said that, and going from previous experience with youngsters, there was another player who was once so so, and i am not kidding, had real doubts about him, that over one pre season came out and kicked butt. Take a guess? JON should be given that usual length of development time. Youngsters tend to have trouble finding the pace of the game, whether it be 1s or 2s, You see, they are used to no pressure at junior level, since they were that good, they most likely had the ball on a string, and were toying with their opposition. They get to play against men, and they forget that they are not in the junior comp anymore.