Longmire's Job Security

[SM]

Since everyone loves me starting these threads, time for another.

Hate to say I told you so, but even after the Hawks game during the circle jerk that was the love fest for Longmire, I raised the point that the crucial questions about his coaching nous had still not been answered, and they've been revealed for all and sundry now.

His inability to make a good call on the sub.

His inability to adjust tactics during a game, and make any game changing decisions to get the boys over the line. You can't rely on the boys 'Playing for Goodesy' every week as was apparently the case against the Hawks.

His questionable game plan which worked early in the season with a fully fit squad, but falls away sharply with even just a few injuries.

 

[AG]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Keyboard warrior.

 

[SM]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Keyboard warrior.

Edit the title if you want, probably poor taste, points still valid though.

And keyboard warrior? Isn't that the definition of all the Vic Swans fans having a spray in the other threads? They're justified but I'm not?

 

[AG]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Don't like the common theme in your posts/threads of just calling someone at the Swans a spud.

We're 5th on the ladder, hardly worthy of calling the coach a spud.

 

[SM]

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God, that's why I gave it the title and the sarcastic opening line. FFS.

Listen to Paul Roos RIGHT NOW AS I TYPE in the Adelaide game. He's firing out commands as if he's still in the coach's box, about opening up the stoppages, pushing the forwards forward and giving them space to operate. You can just get a glimpse at the rapid fire shift in tactics he would be bringing about as Adelaide coach at the moment. Longmire does not implement this sort of shift in tactics, he keeps the same tactic going, or goes with bit-part changes like making ROK loose man in the hope something will change. What you need is a solid Plan B, which Longmire lacks.

 

[AG]

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God, that's why I gave it the title and the sarcastic opening line. FFS.

??? So you are joking again? Like you were with the Grundy thread?

 

[SM]

Re: Longmire the Spud

??? So you are joking again? Like you were with the Grundy thread?

Geez, who's the troll now.

How you can't see the thread title and opening sentence as sarcasm is beyond me.

Legitimate points though, which you've completely deflected in an attempt to troll.

 

[disgruntled goat]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Since everyone loves me starting these threads, time for another.

Hate to say I told you so, but even after the Hawks game during the circle jerk that was the love fest for Longmire, I raised the point that the crucial questions about his coaching nous had still not been answered, and they've been revealed for all and sundry now.

His inability to make a good call on the sub.

His inability to adjust tactics during a game, and make any game changing decisions to get the boys over the line. You can't rely on the boys 'Playing for Goodesy' every week as was apparently the case against the Hawks.

His questionable game plan which worked early in the season with a fully fit squad, but falls away sharply with even just a few injuries.

Ha, bollocks. You absolutely revel in saying "I told you say", and your lips must be heavily chapped from blowing your own horn ... and as for circle-jerking ... your pompous, self-important posts are becoming one of the highlights of this board.

Keep it up, Kylie.

 

[AG]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Geez, who's the troll now.

How you can't see the thread title and opening sentence as sarcasm is beyond me.

Legitimate points though, which you've completely deflected in an attempt to troll.

Jesus christ, you are a weird unit.

 

[SM]

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Ha, bollocks. You absolutely revel in saying "I told you say", and your lips must be heavily chapped from blowing your own horn ... and as for circle-jerking ... your pompous, self-important posts are becoming one of the highlights of this board.

Keep it up, Kylie.

Well, if I'm able to say 'I told you so' kinda means I'm right... so.....

Don't actually think I've said I told you so before though, so dunno where you're getting that from.

Actually thought Grundy was pretty good tonight, so happy to be proven wrong after his performances over the last few weeks. Made a few mistakes though, but so did the whole team.

 

[Naphula]

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Knee-jerk bullshit

 

[SM]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Jesus christ, you are a weird unit.

Christ you're weirder. THREAD TITLE AND OPENING SENTENCE SARCASM. FOLLOWED BY legitimate points.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

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I'm a Vic supporter but disagree with others! It's not as if the team deliberately plays to lose in Melbourne but its definitely an annoying psychological hurdle!

As for your assessment on Longmire, I have to agree! It's as if we have a plan A and that's it! I've always followed the philosophy that you play your in form players and not only those with a past achievement! Unfortunately, I see it in a few blokes...LRT is the biggest. To those on field leaders (shaw and
McVeigh)...your voice is not enough, your actions are!

 

[SM]

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Knee-jerk bullshit

And yet again, I'm not the only one saying it. Though I do enjoy how it always ends up as a 'Stat is clueless' theme.

 

[SM]

Re: Longmire the Spud

I'm a Vic supporter but disagree with others! It's not as if the team deliberately plays to lose in Melbourne but its definitely an annoying psychological hurdle!

As for your assessment on Longmire, I have to agree! It's as if we have a plan A and that's it! I've always followed the philosophy that you play your in form players and not only those with a past achievement! Unfortunately, I see it in a few blokes...LRT is the biggest. To those on field leaders (shaw and
McVeigh)...your voice is not enough, your actions are!

Absolutely, I feel like guys like TDL are sidelined to an extent for reasons other than form - his position as sub today was mindboggling. He has shown time and again that he is generally ineffective as a sub, and yet he gets chosen. Next week Everitt will be back in the team as the sub no doubt.

 

[Dangas]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Delete this thread, op is a troll

 

[SM]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Delete this thread, op is a troll

Valid point and valid discussion.

What's your opinion?

 

[Swanhotels]

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Jesus christ, you are a weird unit.

 

[Dangas]

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I like Longmire's gameplan....no chip-chip kick backwards (although did win us a flag under Roosy), but think he needs to give players more time to prove their worth, Cunningham/ Armstrong for example.....hard when they are substitutes I must admit. If we start dropping games we should win (I mean constantly with Best22) then I'll jump on the "spud" hate. You can't blame injuries for a sides performance, but when "arguably" your two "best" players aren't on the park....you could argue that we'd be performing "better" with Mumford/Goodes in the side.

We are 6-3, no reason to jump of the horse (pun intended) yet. Top 4 is still a possibility but it is more a question of "Do we deserve that 4th spot?"
One week at a time...

 

[GotTheGoodes]

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Ever thought of the fact the Saints actually lifted for one of their club greats tonight?? Ever thought of the fact we had an off night and some of our boys didn't stand up as much as we expected (often young or really old) players to do?? We can't rely on the veterns to get us through games time and time again just like we can't solely rely on our 20 yo's to do so... It's a fine fine balance and something Horse (***AND THE REST OF COACHING PANEL... I.e. NOT just Horse) has to worry about and manage. Management of longer term plans is more important at this stage IMO than reacting and changing our game style/plan everytime something new pops up in a game of footy. We stick with what we want to be good at and in the longer term it will benefit us. Melbourne are a perfect example of changing their game plan every 3 seconds game to game to try and stay "with" everyone else. At the least Horse & co have some faith in our strengths and weaknesses and want to implement somethign that should hold us in good stead in the next 10 years (i.e. building up a plan for our core youngsters like Reidy, Hanners, jack, jets etc etc)...

Good work by ab fired up and emotional Saints as opposed to bad work by the Sydney coaching crew IMO. Overreaction expemplified and unwarrented IMO... But if you feel the need to constantly criticis our club, coaches, game plan & players then go right ahead, it's a free country. Just be ready to accept the fact most of us actually support our club and believe in it's components when we're sitting in the top 8 and still "overachieving" based on many 'expert' opinions leading into the season.....

 

[SM]

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I like Longmire's gameplan....no chip-chip kick backwards (although did win us a flag under Roosy), but think he needs to give players more time to prove their worth, Cunningham/ Armstrong for example.....hard when they are substitutes I must admit. If we start dropping games we should win (I mean constantly with Best22) then I'll jump on the "spud" hate. You can't blame injuries for a sides performance, but when "arguably" your two "best" players aren't on the park....you could argue that we'd be performing "better" with Mumford/Goodes in the side.

We are 6-3, no reason to jump of the horse (pun intended) yet. Top 4 is still a possibility but it is more a question of "Do we deserve that 4th spot?"
One week at a time...

Thank you for playing the ball not the man. Dissapointed it's not a mod leading by example.

Agreed, and I reckon Walsh will be out this week when I'd much rather he stay in and gain some confidence/experience in the firsts.

See that's why I have a problem with his game plan, which revolves around spotting up a good marking target in the forward line from stoppages. But without a good ruckman, and without arguably our most in form forward, that doesn't leave us with much to work with.

 

[SM]

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Ever thought of the fact the Siants actually lifted for one of their club greats tonight?? Ever thought of the fact we had an off night and some of our boys didn't stand up as much as we expected (often young or really old) players to do?? We can't rely on the veterns to get us through games time and time again just like we can't solely rely on our 20 yo's to do so... It's a fine fine balance and something Horse (***AND THE REST OF COACHING PANEL... I.e. NOT just Horse) has to worry about and manage. Management of longer term plans is more important at this stage IMO than reacting and changing our game style/plan everytime something new pops up in a game of footy. We stick with what we want to be good at and in the longer term it will benefit us. Melbourne are a perfect example of changing their game plan every 3 seconds game to game to try and stay "with" everyone else. At the least Horse & co have some faith in our strengths and weaknesses and want to implement somethign that should hold us in good stead in the next 10 years (i.e. building up a plan for our core youngsters like Reidy, Hanners, jack, jets etc etc)...

Good work by ab fired up and emotional Saints as opposed to bad work by the Sydney coaching crew IMO. Overreaction expemplified and unwarrented IMO... But if you feel the need to constantly criticis our club, coaches, game plan & players then go right ahead, it's a free country. Just be ready to accept the fact most of us actually support our club and believe in it's components when we're sitting in the top 8 and still "overachieving" based on many 'expert' opinions leading into the season.....

Yes I have thought of those things. I thought of those things in the draw against Melbourne in Round One last year. I thought of those things in the loss to the Hawks. I thought of those things in the losses to the Blues. I thought of those things repeatedly, week in week out, but there comes a point where the coach has to cop the blame.

If he gets all the love when we're flying high, he has to cop the blame when we're stinking it up. We've essentially gone winless in our last month with the bye last week discounted.

 

[Dangas]

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Thank you for playing the ball not the man. Dissapointed it's not a mod leading by example.

Agreed, and I reckon Walsh will be out this week when I'd much rather he stay in and gain some confidence/experience in the firsts.

See that's why I have a problem with his game plan, which revolves around spotting up a good marking target in the forward line from stoppages. But without a good ruckman, and without arguably our most in form forward, that doesn't leave us with much to work with.

I hope Horse leaves Walsh in the side, give him time to develop, don't SUBSTITUTE HIM OFF (hard today when the ball hardly entered the forward 50 in the second), also thought twice he was harshly done by the umps for soft free-againsts.

Unfortunately Horse keeps changing the mix, as they say, a settled line-up dishes up rewards.

 

[Dangas]

Re: Longmire the Spud

Ever thought of the fact the Siants actually lifted for one of their club greats tonight?? Ever thought of the fact we had an off night and some of our boys didn't stand up as much as we expected (often young or really old) players to do?? We can't rely on the veterns to get us through games time and time again just like we can't solely rely on our 20 yo's to do so... It's a fine fine balance and something Horse (***AND THE REST OF COACHING PANEL... I.e. NOT just Horse) has to worry about and manage. Management of longer term plans is more important at this stage IMO than reacting and changing our game style/plan everytime something new pops up in a game of footy. We stick with what we want to be good at and in the longer term it will benefit us. Melbourne are a perfect example of changing their game plan every 3 seconds game to game to try and stay "with" everyone else. At the least Horse & co have some faith in our strengths and weaknesses and want to implement somethign that should hold us in good stead in the next 10 years (i.e. building up a plan for our core youngsters like Reidy, Hanners, jack, jets etc etc)...

Good work by ab fired up and emotional Saints as opposed to bad work by the Sydney coaching crew IMO. Overreaction expemplified and unwarrented IMO... But if you feel the need to constantly criticis our club, coaches, game plan & players then go right ahead, it's a free country. Just be ready to accept the fact most of us actually support our club and believe in it's components when we're sitting in the top 8 and still "overachieving" based on many 'expert' opinions leading into the season.....

...and what we couldn't get up for Mattner? He had a shocker.

 

[SM]

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I hope Horse leaves Walsh in the side, give him time to develop, don't SUBSTITUTE HIM OFF (hard today when the ball hardly entered the forward 50 in the second), also thought twice he was harshly done by the umps for soft free-againsts.

Unfortunately Horse keeps changing the mix, as they say, a settled line-up dishes up rewards.

Absolutely. Thought Walsh's tap to Reid was sublime and shows he has a good footy brain. Yes he only had one touch but don't look at that as an Irish recruit doing poorly, look at it as a full forward in a team whose midfield was absolutely dominated.

Yep, settle it down and let it develop.