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JuddsABlue said:
Restric the amount of machines and locations imo
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And they will just drive a bit further to get there.

The local near me burnt down a few years ago, all it meant was the person was away from home a little longer. If you have a problem a small inconvenience like driving a bit further is nothing.

Online gambling is a massive problem too.

Don't get me wrong I love playing poker but it breaks my heart when I see someone who simply can't afford to gamble go every day to the TAB and pokies and go further and further in debt. Only to come home and jump straight on the computer and within a few clicks of start gambling away with the use of credit cards.. thats one thing I would like, only being able to gamble online with debit/savings cards... although I guess it doesn't take much to transfer money from credit to debit..
 
camsmith said:
And they will just drive a bit further to get there.

The local near me burnt down a few years ago, all it meant was the person was away from home a little longer. If you have a problem a small inconvenience like driving a bit further is nothing.

Online gambling is a massive problem too.

Don't get me wrong I love playing poker but it breaks my heart when I see someone who simply can't afford to gamble go every day to the TAB and pokies and go further and further in debt. Only to come home and jump straight on the computer and within a few clicks of start gambling away with the use of credit cards.. thats one thing I would like, only being able to gamble online with debit/savings cards... although I guess it doesn't take much to transfer money from credit to debit..
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Im not talking about removing every second club or every second machine, I'm talking about whiping the floor clean, and then having maybe 4 or 5 establishments around the state with a resitrcited number of machines

Its a disaster commercially, but it could work. Driving 50 minutes is different to driving 15, and when the venue is always crowded it becomes completely different.

If you want zero problem gamblers you need zero machines which is impossible. If you limit the number of machines then you will limit the number of problem gamblers. Some may already be lost like you're friend and will travel as far as they need, but it will be better for the next generation who wont grow up around clubs with machines and they wont be part of the normal night out

Lots of todays problem punters are born out of friends who go to the pub on a saturday afternoon and end up spending $50 in the slots. Then theyre there on Tuesday nights, and then every night. If you remove the pokies from the venue, people still go there to have a drink and socialize, but they dont play pokies, they dont develop an addiction.

If there is a single machine in the state, there will always be some addicts to go along with it, you cant protect everybody.
 
Is it too simplistic to say that those that are addicted to pokie machines are poorly educated and prone to making many incorrect choices in their lives, gambling being just one of them? That is, if it wasn't pokie machines it would be something else?

And what comes first, depression and misery or the gambling?

camsmith, sorry to hear about your friend. Not sure if the anonymous comment was because you want anonymity or because you thought someone here would attack you.
 

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If anyone has read any of my posts on various other boards it's pretty obvious I hate pokies and am in favour of the precommitment scheme (it may not be optimal but it's better than maintaining the status quo).

One of the main problems I have is the integration of pokies into every day life. I agree with JAB and think they should be confined to specialist venues where people know when they first go there that it is a gambling venue and they are going there to do just that, gamble.

Instead they are present in a lot of surburban Pubs, RSLs and Sporting/Community Clubs. It doesn't take a genius to work out that of machines are concentrated in areas where people are more likely to be irresponsible with the money they do have.

I also disagree with JAB that pit games and pokies are extremely different.
 
red+black said:
Is it too simplistic to say that those that are addicted to pokie machines are poorly educated and prone to making many incorrect choices in their lives, gambling being just one of them? That is, if it wasn't pokie machines it would be something else?

And what comes first, depression and misery or the gambling?
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I would say it'd be a combination of (1) access (2) normalisation and lack of education with (3) misery, depression or predisposition towards compulsion acting as an aggravating factor.

I also think the whole if it wasn't pokies machines it'd be something else is pretty stupid in general. Women make up a huge percentage of pokie addicts yet how many times have you seen a woman (a) in a TAB for an extended period of time (b) talking about sports betting or (c) playing a significant volume of live/online poker.

Pokies can be used as an escape, it takes no knowledge or forethought and is just mashing buttons. That and it's easy access to the regular idiot in the burbs makes it so attractive to people.
 
checkraiseulite said:
If anyone has read any of my posts on various other boards it's pretty obvious I hate pokies and am in favour of the precommitment scheme (it may not be optimal but it's better than maintaining the status quo).

One of the main problems I have is the integration of pokies into every day life. I agree with JAB and think they should be confined to specialist venues where people know when they first go there that it is a gambling venue and they are going there to do just that, gamble.

Instead they are present in a lot of surburban Pubs, RSLs and Sporting/Community Clubs. It doesn't take a genius to work out that of machines are concentrated in areas where people are more likely to be irresponsible with the money they do have.

I also disagree with JAB that pit games and pokies are extremely different.
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Not sure I understand but as I read it, you're saying I distinguish the two differently. While in a small sense I do (I believe pokies are more addictive than pit games) I dont think ones 'worse' than the other

When I mentioned pit games, I was speaking in regards to the fact there are so many more pokie addicts than pit addicts because theres only 1 place to go to play pit games. The proof is in the pudding right there. As soon as these games become less accessible, less people play them

The casino of course is full of pit game addicts, but in relative to pokie addicts in an extremely small percent

Pokies need to be made available for people that actually want to play them for their enjoyment, but also restricted enough to minimise the chances of addiction (like being quite a while away for example)
 
JuddsABlue said:
Not sure I understand but as I read it, you're saying I distinguish the two differently. While in a small sense I do (I believe pokies are more addictive than pit games) I dont think ones 'worse' than the other

When I mentioned pit games, I was speaking in regards to the fact there are so many more pokie addicts than pit addicts because theres only 1 place to go to play pit games. The proof is in the pudding right there. As soon as these games become less accessible, less people play them

The casino of course is full of pit game addicts, but in relative to pokie addicts in an extremely small percent

Pokies need to be made available for people that actually want to play them for their enjoyment, but also restricted enough to minimise the chances of addiction (like being quite a while away for example)
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Pokies are definitely worse than pit games imo and that's ignoring access issues.

Pit games are of course designed to be long run +EV for the casino (as are pokies) but they have remained the same (despite Crowns butchery of rules/odds) for centuries. Pokies are constantly adapting (after hundreds of millions of dollars worth of research) to become more and more addictive. Pokies are also aimed at the lowest common denominator.

If you're comfortable disclosing, what would be your annual turnover and average bet size in the pit? What sort of benefits do you get at crown?

Also are we getting a Vegas TR?
 
checkraiseulite said:
Pokies are definitely worse than pit games imo and that's ignoring access issues.

Pit games are of course designed to be long run +EV for the casino (as are pokies) but they have remained the same (despite Crowns butchery of rules/odds) for centuries. Pokies are constantly adapting (after hundreds of millions of dollars worth of research) to become more and more addictive.
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In a lot of pit games, the casino often has a 2% to 7% edge. Some of those edges, like in Blackjack can be reduced even further with optimal strategy, and you can at the very best, break-even at BJ in the long run. The pokies pay back around 87c in every dollar, giving the casino a massive edge compared to pit games.

Both are for suckers, but the pokies are a hypnotic pos. Scientists have likened the feeling/rush pokie addicts get from winning at the slots, to that of a heroin addict shooting up. Pokies are ****ing evil.
 
checkraiseulite said:
Pokies are definitely worse than pit games imo and that's ignoring access issues.

Pit games are of course designed to be long run +EV for the casino (as are pokies) but they have remained the same (despite Crowns butchery of rules/odds) for centuries. Pokies are constantly adapting (after hundreds of millions of dollars worth of research) to become more and more addictive. Pokies are also aimed at the lowest common denominator.

If you're comfortable disclosing, what would be your annual turnover and average bet size in the pit? What sort of benefits do you get at crown?

Also are we getting a Vegas TR?
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Turn over is a near impossible question to answer, basically because I dont know.

I'm only a silver member but should be Gold by the end of this month at my current rate. It basically gets you nothing (I think 20% of room rate but why would I ever stay at crown when I live 20min away). Free food n stuff but I never use it. You get points which can be converted to cash ,I while ago I cash out $200 but wouldnt mind saving ponts) If I put the same amount of money into the pokies as i have in the pits I'd be a platimum member no doubt. You really receive no rewards for pit games at Crown

I play craps and on a weeknight i'll take $1k with me, but probably put a stop loss on about $700 if its a bad night. Every now and again if I go in on a sat night I'll take 2k with plans on blowing it all. If people understand craps I'll bet $10 win line/Max odds and 3 units inside ($48-$66 depending on what the point is). If doing ok I'll up it to 5 units ($80-$110) and every now and again do 10 units inside if making a bit of money. Plus a whole lot of other bets

$50-$100 a spin on roullette. Its a high variance game so I'll usually only play 5 or so spins.

$25 hand baccarat/blackjack but havent played blackjack in ages

Often play 3card poker which is $50~ per hand roughly

And if I play pokies I only ever put $200 in 2k

No vegas trip report lol I'll give cliffs though
-Stayed at Aria, really really nice. Saw JRB there everyday
-Spent a lot of time playing craps at Bellagio and Aria
-Only played poker twice which was 5/10 at B (uneventful but absurd tough table*) and Ceasers $500 poker classic event which I bubbled
-Didnt do any tourist stuff, just pit games
-Was down 7k going into the last day. Was leaving airport at 6am, did an all nighter and was even up until 11pm, by 4am I had won 11k to brng the trip back into the black
-Spend 2k getting home on Thai air flying from LA to Bangkok to Singapore to Melbourne because the day we left Qantas grounded their planes

* The table was much tougher than the expected B 5/10 game thats pretty notorious. THere were 2 tables running and I could see 'those' players all having a ball on the table next to us. My table consisted of about every single US online superstar effected by black friday that had turned to the live scene. I ended up losing 1 buyin over a couple of hours in a very standard fashion
 
JuddsABlue said:
Stupid scheme absurd scheme bad call scheme

I know (if) as soon as they come in, I'll be setting my limit to as high as possible, as will most other punters. Not because I need it, I just dont want to feel restricted.
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There's no reason you can't do that though is there?

I mean, the whole idea behind this is because of:

red+black said:
Is it too simplistic to say that those that are addicted to pokie machines are poorly educated and prone to making many incorrect choices
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and

HyperAgressiveDonk said:
Both are for suckers, but the pokies are a hypnotic pos. Scientists have likened the feeling/rush pokie addicts get from winning at the slots, to that of a heroin addict shooting up. Pokies are ****ing evil.
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Surely if you head down to the local Pokie joint, with the idea of burning a couple of pineapples- there's no harm in locking that idea in before shooting up and needing another hit?

People like you *can* just set a ridiculous limit and have no problem- but people that identify that yeah, maybe they do need a little help in walking away, can get that too.
 
red+black said:
Hachem gone

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/joe-hachem-pokerstars-part-ways-1140389/
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this sits a little uneasy with me

PS distancing themselves from Australia and Hachem distancing himself from online poker for no real reason

The best case scenario is PS decided to dump him and they made a nice public display of seperation. Dont know why Joe would ever want to leave, his responsibilities seem pretty small.

It just stinks imo, could be a sign of things to come
 

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I envy those who will now read that for the first time - the first several dozen posts were by far the funniest thing I've read before.
 
Malta is pretty sweet, good weather and good people, pretty affordable as well compared to other euro countries with regards to food and socialising. here's a vid of the appartment I was living in with a few other players that cost us 2k euros a month (Although the pay wasn't divided equally since some rooms were better than others, I decided to take the tight ass room which I think was 350 or 400 a month)

[YOUTUBE]euHpSdPG6hw[/YOUTUBE]
 
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