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I dunno it depends on how many variants dan andrews thinks he needs so that he can complete his formation of the victorian communist party.
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That's cause they are
So I looked into it because like I said I couldn’t remember. They ended up including the h1n1 strain into the annual flu vaccine so I actually get vaccinated against swine flu every year
Thats a good presentation of possible scenarios.
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yeh you can see why hes so keen to get his new pandemic laws through. Enjoy.
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Proof is in the pudding, the jabs are s**t and Novavax is better
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Just imagine when the vaxxed start to hear “oh that jab promotion was last years it has expired/finished sir , but hey your in luck , a whole new jab promotion is about to start”
There is literally no effectiveness data at all for Novavax so we dont know how effective it is....
I've debated antivaxxers and other anti-science types for years so it's an 'assumption' based on past performance.
It's their standard practice to constantly shift the goalposts to something just outside current knowledge/technology, and then claim that as their article of faith.
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Yes there is. Look at this link of phase 3 trial results: https://ir.novavax.com/2021-06-30-N...g-High-Levels-of-Efficacy-of-COVID-19-Vaccine
NVX-CoV2373 is being evaluated in two pivotal Phase 3 trials: a trial in the U.K. that demonstrated efficacy of 96.4% against the original virus strain, 86.3% against the B.1.1.7 (Alpha) variant and 89.7% overall; and the PREVENT-19 trial in the U.S. and Mexico that demonstrated 100% protection against moderate and severe disease and 90.4% efficacy overall. It is also being tested in two ongoing Phase 2 studies that began in August 2020: A Phase 2b trial in South Africa that demonstrated 55% efficacy overall in HIV-negative participants and 48.6% efficacy against a newly emerging escape variant first described in South Africa, and a Phase 1/2 continuation in the U.S. and Australia.
Thats efficacy. Effectiveness is different....
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This is a pandemic of the Unvaccinated , um Double Vaccinated
We dont have enough cases (yet) to make assumptions about anything. We know people who are vaccinated can catch delta, why would this variant be any different?
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Hey Kingswood71, firstly been reading the threads for a while and appreciate your contributions, have learnt heaps (and could possibly fill out a death certificate as well!). If there is a new vaccine developed would it become part of the booster shot?"“It’s possible that Pfizer might come up with this vaccine in three or four months’ time and by the time it becomes available, there’s a new globally dominant variant,” Gurdasani said. “So, vaccine development and re-engineering has to go hand-in-hand with efforts to contain transmission, which is the only way that we’re going to be able to get on top of the virus adaptation.”
Will Covid variant omicron need a new vaccine? Time and data will tell
Manufacturers are already testing how their vaccines work against omicron.www.nbcnews.com
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Mate, he pulled the information out of his ass. of course he's right and novavax is the cure for all covid strains
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But with legislated requirements to release the health advice and data
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And ill happily line up for the free and safe vaccine again.
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You repeatedly question the why they need an autopsy.
"By the way you don't bed an autopsy to find out what the infection was."
"you don't need a autopsy to know what the infection was, blood test is fine and would've been done when she was alive"
You question there was a Coroners that said it was something else. You question that there was a coroners reports because it wouldn't have been released on a public forum unless there was an inquest.
"Where is the coroners report that says it was something else?"
"Also a coroner is not able to release coroner findings on a public forum, or anywhere, for that matter, they can only be requested by interested and relevant parties. Findings are not made public unless they become an inquest."
You claim that no inquest was made which means to you that the Coroners found Coivd was the COD.
"no inqest was made which leads me to believe that the coroner found that Covid was the COD"
These are not antedotical claims as the family released the results of the Coroners findings that her cause of death was pneumonia, not COVID as NSW officials stated and media reported.
The family are not lying abut there being a coroners report or the official cause of death given by the Coroner, which you have repeatedly questioned as being true.
I think that's pretty simple.
A statement issued by the family this week said Mrs Isaako's official cause of death was pneumonia.
Her shattered loved ones are now considering taking legal action 'against those who have contributed false details' about Ianeta, her husband Sako and their three children.
NSW Health officials on Tuesday afternoon confirmed Mrs Isaako’s death, the 75th since NSW’s latest outbreak began on June 16. “NSW Health extends its deepest sympathies to her loved ones,” the department said.
Kerry Chant back peddled the statement saying they were aware of the media reports but were unable to determine the cause of her death.
Sydney’s 30yo covid-19 victim identified
A 30-year-old mother of three has died at home in Sydney’s west after being diagnosed with Covid-19.
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Not that it matters but I'm curious why you think a Freudian slip doesn't happen when you're thinking of something and typing?
Also, you've had genetic vaccines explained in detail in a link to a lecture for university credit (including adenovirus vector vaccines such as J&J and AZ), simply in posts, as a definition by the FDA which I've quoted, Pfizer and Moderna's own documents in SEC filings and most recently in Pfizer's 19th November updated EUA I linked and quoted
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There is one cause of death and it's pneumonia.
COVID pneumonia is different to pneumonia infection of the lungs caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. It acts on the lungs differently and is treated differently. A Coroner would be easily be able to tell the difference and appropriately classify the cause of death correctly! Which has happened.
I'm surprised the usual suspects haven't spammed the thread about the differences. Wait ... no I'm not!
But questions could be asked about the guidance on how Death Certificates are to be written with COVID -19, as the cause of death. Because COVID - 19 is to be classified as COD if pneumonia present.
Simple explanation of the differences are discussed here or found in any simple search.
It is very important in treating COVID to understand and trials of therapeutics acknowledge, including the large WHO Solidarity trial, in being proven effective against severe and critical COVID-19.
So does that mean in all those other posts you were arguing about in previous days that there was one cause of death.... ARDS? Because you seemed to be arguing that it wasn't.
The family haven't released the death certificate. They've just reported the cause of death as pneumonia. At no point does it say bacterial pneumonia, or pneumonia not due to covid. A death certificate wouldn't say 'covid pneumonia' as you've even shown in the examples you yourself have posted. The cause of the pneumonia would be listed as an underlying cause of death.
It's fine. You're reaching conclusions and I'm reaching conclusions, all using the information available. The difference is you are adding in unknown information to reach your conclusion. I'm basing my conclusion on only the information available.
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Yes, the family reported the Coroner's finding of the cause of death to the media, which they're allowed to do.
If you don't believe what the family have said (or the media didn't check the official report and there hasn't been any retraction), you're are accusing the family of lying. I am only linking what the family have said, so if you don't believe it, again you're accusing the family of lying.
If you don't believe that COVID - 19 can be written as a COD, the whole point of the WHO International guidelines taken up by the ABS, were to issue guidelines on classifying COVID-19 as a cause of death on a death certificate.
These are reviewed and some are reclassified from COVID-19 to other causes as explained in the ABS statics posted elsewhere. Early on in 2020, some were reclassified from other causes to COVID-19.
There didn't need to be COVID-19 detected by a PCR and only having symptoms was allowed by the WHO. Australia had 16 cases that didn't have lab confirmed COVID-19 with COVID-19 as a cause of deaths.
There were 982 deaths which occurred by 31 July 2021 and had COVID-19 written as a term on the death certificate. Of these 982 deaths, 920 were deaths due to COVID-19, including:
- 904 which were directly due to COVID-19 with the virus being laboratory confirmed, three of which were from long term complications of COVID-19.
- 16 deaths that were certified as being due to suspected COVID-19 with the virus not confirmed in a laboratory at the time of certification.
Other deaths that had COVID-19 as a term on the death certificate included:
- 9 deaths which were COVID-19 related. This is where the person died with COVID-19 (confirmed or suspected) but it was not the underlying cause of death.
- 45 deaths which had a negative COVID-19 result recorded on the death certificate. When a negative COVID-19 test result is recorded on a death certificate an ICD-10 code of ‘Z03.8 Examination and observation for other specified reasons’ is assigned to capture the information communicated by the doctor.
- 8 deaths which occurred in people who had COVID-19 but recovered. These mentions of COVID-19 on the death certificate are captured with an ICD-10 code of “U08.9 Personal history of COVID-19”.
904 deaths directly due to COVID with virus lab confirmed, or 78 off the total died "with" COVID to July 31st is around 9% over reporting.
COVID-19 Mortality in Australia, Deaths registered to 31 July 2021
COVID-19 deaths that occurred by 31 July 2021 that have been registered and received by the ABS
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Thanks
I would imagine if the omicron variant becomes widespread, then they may have to develop a whole new booster using the spike protein from omicron. It remains to be seen i guess. We might see that the current vaccines still retain good effectiveness at preventing severe disease, which essentially is the most important thing.
The next month or so will be interesting.
I'm sorry, but these are absolutely horrid posts. You've now accused me of calling the family 'anti-vaxxers' and liars, which at no time have I done. Don't try and paint me out as a bad guy to prove your point.
I don't think the family lied at all. They reported the cause of death as pneumonia, which I believe is true. I've explained my viewpoint of the situation. You can keep blabbering on about your viewpoint if you like. We've spoken about death certificates and coding deaths which we can see you don't truly understand the difference of as you are absolutely resistant to seeing them as DIFFERENT things.
This particular example is purely your speculation about what has happened, as it is mine. Unless you've seen the death certificate yourself you are extrapolating information using data we don't have.
