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Sir Robert

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Sorry if this has already been posted. Great article tho... And very accurate:

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/ne...-for-one/2008/04/17/1208025381163.html?page=2

ANY high-performing team will always have its element of pure class — the guns, the game-breakers, the stars who have that ability to rip a game apart.
We all recognise the importance of "having the right cattle" in the pursuit of a premiership, but a group of individuals who come together for a common goal does not automatically constitute a strong and effective team.
It runs much deeper than that.
St Kilda has the right cattle this year, but they do not work together as a team. They are a group of individuals who are together by name and jumper, but they do not work together for a common purpose.
They do not support one another and do not share mutual accountability or responsibility for team results.
That is now.
But these are the only "skills" missing, and all that are required for the Saints to take the next step and forge a genuine premiership bid.
It's not foot speed and it's not skill level, as has been widely reported. It's merely intent. Great teams are willing to look out for one another. To cover for a teammate until they are able to resume their role. They have players who swallow their own ego and perform a role for the team, even though they think they may be too good for that role.
Great teams have players who have the ability to not only perform their role but to help others achieve their goals. To think outside of themselves. To not only do this when they are playing well but when they are below their best.
Great teams have players that ensure team rules are followed and that the style of game they want to play is encouraged and supported. By everyone.
And they have a group of men who accept mutual accountability for the result of the team.
Great teams share the glory or the pain irrespective of personal performance because their emotions are directly linked to team results.
This is difficult to achieve because with high achievers and high performers, there will always be strong individual ambitions, goals, wants and needs.
But at times it's about submitting your ego to the team cause. Accepting a role for the good of the team, and appreciating others who do likewise.
Too many St Kilda players want to be the star. Not enough want to be the player who contributes the most to the team cause and has the most influence on the team result.
Shaun Hart was the benchmark of this for me at the Brisbane Lions. Despite pressure and fatigue, his decisions were always what was in the best interest of the team.
Underrated in the public arena but pure gold within the inner sanctum and respected enormously by their peers, he was the ultimate support player. The worker-bee.
Geelong, as individually brilliant as it was last year, had its worker-bees — captain Tom Harley, Cameron Ling and Corey Enright.
Other recent premiership sides North Melbourne, Essendon, Port Adelaide, Sydney and West Coast have had that same characteristic. And it is one that St Kilda needs to find quickly.
Sydney is a team full of support and responsibility. Last Saturday night, we saw yet another excellent example when Kieren Jack did a magnificent job on West Coast's Daniel Kerr. In typical Swans fashion, whenever Jack got "lost", someone else would pick up the assignment. It didn't matter who — it was a team priority and a team result.
In 2004, I suspected Port was ready to win a flag when I saw Warren Tredrea, the star of the team, fill an un-star-like role in the finals when he dragged Geelong opponent Matthew Scarlett away from the play for the greater good.
Fraser Gehrig tried to play a role for St Kilda against Geelong last week when used as a decoy for one of the first times in his career. And he was slaughtered for a bad game.
For me, it isn't that Gehrig, Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke can't be in the same forward line. It's just their apparent reluctance to work together to get the same result or accept that the result was due to them all. Not just "Frase".
I sense the St Kilda leaders do not take enough ownership for the performance of the team. That nobody is willing to stand up and say, "Hey, as a group we are not doing this well enough and if I need to play a different role or support another player, then I will put aside my own ego and do it".
Such comments will inevitably bring a rebuttal. The natural reaction is to defend. To say it isn't true. But now is not a time for talk. It is about taking responsibility for the fact that not enough St Kilda players are taking responsibility for the team and supporting their teammates.
When they do, they might become a real premiership contender rather than a bunch of talented individuals who could have been anything.

Underrated in the public arena but pure gold within the inner sanctum and respected enormously by their peers, he was the ultimate support player. The worker-bee.
Geelong, as individually brilliant as it was last year, had its worker-bees — captain Tom Harley, Cameron Ling and Corey Enright.
Other recent premiership sides North Melbourne, Essendon, Port Adelaide, Sydney and West Coast have had that same characteristic. And it is one that St Kilda needs to find quickly.
Sydney is a team full of support and responsibility. Last Saturday night, we saw yet another excellent example when Kieren Jack did a magnificent job on West Coast's Daniel Kerr. In typical Swans fashion, whenever Jack got "lost", someone else would pick up the assignment. It didn't matter who — it was a team priority and a team result.
In 2004, I suspected Port was ready to win a flag when I saw Warren Tredrea, the star of the team, fill an un-star-like role in the finals when he dragged Geelong opponent Matthew Scarlett away from the play for the greater good.
Fraser Gehrig tried to play a role for St Kilda against Geelong last week when used as a decoy for one of the first times in his career. And he was slaughtered for a bad game.
For me, it isn't that Gehrig, Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke can't be in the same forward line. It's just their apparent reluctance to work together to get the same result or accept that the result was due to them all. Not just "Frase".
I sense the St Kilda leaders do not take enough ownership for the performance of the team. That nobody is willing to stand up and say, "Hey, as a group we are not doing this well enough and if I need to play a different role or support another player, then I will put aside my own ego and do it".
Such comments will inevitably bring a rebuttal. The natural reaction is to defend. To say it isn't true. But now is not a time for talk. It is about taking responsibility for the fact that not enough St Kilda players are taking responsibility for the team and supporting their teammates.
When they do, they might become a real premiership contender rather than a bunch of talented individuals who could have been anything.
 
agree, accurate & I think, embarrassing!
also another article in the HSun by Healy ...haven't read it as yet, but the little chart is quite concerning :

over 2007/08 we're dead last with F50 tackles at 153, Bulldogs next at 170.

I thought we lacked forward pressure, just didn't realise THAT much!!
 
agree, accurate & I think, embarrassing!
spoton 35Harvs.

I hope the boys read the 2 articles and start playign as a team, running hard & bloody tackling - not just around the bounces!
 
If I may be so bold as to post on this board.

I read that article with great interest. Other than talking the Lions up, probably with some justification, it got me thinking about the great sides over the last 10 or so years.

Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke are both guns who would walk into any side any time. Having both in the same side on paper looks awesome. Now having watched (TV) all the Saints games this year there seems to be a lack of cohesion between these 2 players. Great mates and all that they still havent worked out the little nuances of playing together on the forward line. Im sure this is what Voss is hinting at. I dont believe either player is selfish or wants to be the standout star at the expence of the teams success. I also dont believe this lack of cohesion should mean that Riewoldt moves to the wing. He is the gun CHF in the side of which the forward line should be built around. IMO Koschitzke leading out of the square should be awesome.

Lloyd/Lucas, Lynch/Brown, Hall/O'Loughlin. Thats 5 premierships in the last 8years. Not often did you or do you see these players get in each others way. More often than not they worked together.

If they do get it together then look out. I reckon Voss is on the money with this article.
 

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Maybe Voss is partially right, but I don't agree when he says St Kilda doesn't have a hard-working ego-swallowing player. I believe we have a player who sums up perfectly right for the worker-bee definition, and that is Sam Fisher.
 
Thanks Skipper - I have to agree with you to an extent.

I think Voss fails to recognise a very real problem that St Kilda have with their kicking accuracy. I believe that this is partly associated with our forward set up being bustled out of position and forced to kick from longer than they'd prefer, but there is a fundamental weakness with our capitalising on set shots from 30 - 40 m. These are gimmes for any other club, they're 50 / 50 prospects for us. :eek:

The temptation to hang on to Gehrig is based on the accuracy of his kicking more than any other aspect of his game.

This is the real cancer that has been eating away at our performance - our goal kicking sucks. We have to be ~20% superior to our opponents to beat them.
 
Kildonan

I have noticed that also. Riewoldt in particular has some awful kicks then kicks them from anywhere. To be real critical, there was one tonight where you could actually see the ball drop go sideways. Hes too good a player and too good a kick to be doing that as often.

I only saw the 1st and last quarters and bits of the rest. They did miss some that were very getable. Milne, Riewoldt and Jones stand out from memory.

As always though, when they are on song they scare the living crap out of 15 other teams. Tonight they seemed to do the little things a lot better and with a lot more purpose. Maybe someone read Voss' article to them.
 
The commentators did highlight their shepherding, and a few other 1 %ers. They commented on the team things as if they were ticking boxes on a test of "teamliness". Maybe the Voss plan of waking the Saints up to their destiny if they could only work together and play as a team - is a measure of whether Lyon has accepted this perception and decided to do something about it.
 
It might be a turning point. I often wonder when ex footballers with reputations say things that are a bit left field relative to the normal spin and BS. Maybe I read too much into things.
 
I think the article really stung, partly because it's from a player they all respect (hey, don't we all...), but also because for the most part it was spot on true. Most of all, it was because it's the very mentality that alot of them had drummed into them by Thommo for five years, the whole "selfless acts" thing. That stings somebody like Roo, who loves Thomas like a father. (This isn't a plug for Thomas, just appreciating the good he did do when he was there...).
 
Voss had an impact on the playing group's physicality, so great for this game and maybe the next.

But he is way off the mark. Milne tried to be unselfish and ended up playing crap - before just doing what he knows best with two great instinctive snap goals. Thought Dennis Commettí's commentary on Milne was hilarious.

Kildonan has highlighted a critical underlying issue - there are skill problems, particularly in front of goal. Armo looks like he will help in this regard (still seems to be adapting to the next level), and Schneider was recruited for this reason.
 
Milne tried to be unselfish and ended up playing crap - before just doing what he knows best with two great instinctive snap goals.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Seeing Milne handball over the defender to Riewoldt in the 2nd quarter was great. This is one of the matters that makes Geelong so special (e.g. Stokes and Mooney gifting each other goals late in the game against the Swans - Mooney had a shocker and that one goal will have helped his confidence and thus provide a benefit to the entire team).

Milne starting running into problems when he exaggerated the "play on" strategy (that Geelong can execute close to perfection) and rushed plays when it was clearly time to calm everyone down after Essendons comeback. Clever decision making is another aspect that make Geelong stand out at the moment.

I do agree, however, that his two goals in the 4th quarter sealed the game (and yes, at least the first was selfish and he ignored the better positioned player in the middle - but imagine he had missed...).
 

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