Moore, Thursty, Rance & McGuane etc

[cormick]

David Schwarz reckons McGuane will be the next Dustin Fletcher
We all know Thursty's a gun.
Moore has held Buddy to one goal and comprehensively beaten Fev despite his 4.
Rance, despite having never played a game, looks the goods from all reports.

Which of this lot is least likely to "make it"? (For mine, I don't think McGuane will make it, but hope like hell he does!)

Are they collectively big enough to form the core of the back line and take on up and coming giants ala Roughead and Mitch Clarke at brissy?


Do we need anymore KPD's on the list now we've got these 4, plus Schulz, Silvester and hopefully, but atm not importantly, Polak, on the list to take the KPF's they'll come up against?


I personally believe that we shouldn't be looking to draft anymore tall defenders, as we seem to struggle more with containing small forwards and attacking mids than the main targets of the opposition.
When was the last time a KPF took us to the cleaners and got a big bag of 7 or 8+?


If equally rated KPF's and KPD's were available at our pick, for arguements sake Hurley and Watts, I would much much much prefer us to take the forward, but the media and sections of our fans still seem to think our KPD talent is thin and not up to it.

What do people here think?

 

[patto_man]

i reckon our backline is almost complete we just need a small/medium defender to stop the smaller guys.

 

[Strawbs]

KPF and a dirty big ruckman. I like our KPD's.

 

[PHX]

There is no way our backline is complete.

Its complete until we get into the top 5 points against in the competition.

Right now we're about 12th I think.

They're showing promise but we're still leaking far too many points.

 

[JSFish]

Agreed. KPB stocks are looking good. Of the 4, I'm with you in saying McGuane looks least likely to make it. Having said that, McGuane goes alright, and with Rance it's obviously hard to say.

Of the three mentioned, I'd say we need a small defender first, followed by a KPF, with KPD last. If we get another player who is strictly a KPD, like you say we'll have Moore, Will, Rance, McGuane, Schulz who can/has been playing down back, same with Polak although obviously that's unimportant and we are unsure about that situation atm, as well as the new bloke. That's 5 strict KPD's plus one or two big men who can play forward or back. Don't really need that many, especially considering that out of Moore, Thursty, Rance and McGuane, no one really seems to have the tools to be a very versatile player, with the potential exception of McGuane.

 

[I am just a fan]

All are guns. Moore is a super player now for us. Why does Wallet flood when we have a pretty good back 6 now.

No wonder we can't run games out.

 

[JSFish]

There is no way our backline is complete.

Its complete until we get into the top 5 points against in the competition.

Right now we're about 12th I think.

They're showing promise but we're still leaking far too many points.

I'm not sure of the stats this year about inside 50s etc, but the midfield has just about as much impact on points against as our defence.

 

[santa claws]

schulz is a dud. polak is a dud. mcguane is a dud. thursfield is undersized but has a dip.
moore is a running medium should not be asked to regularly play kp it will bite him and us on the arse.
rance shows promise but its to early to say.
including rookies we have 14 talls on the list including moore.with imminent retirements and proper assesments of all our tall players as many as ten could be gone in 3 or 4 yrs time.
our tall stocks situation is in a diabolical state looking forward.

 

[Bojangles17]

am a bit surprised to hear a commentator so bullish about Mcguane, considering the performances of Kel Moore. With Thursty and Moore and Rance developing nicely by all reports we are in good shape. Mcguane needs to continue to improve, is a great competitor, probably lacks the composure of Moore and Thursty...Looking forward to see rance , will prob be soon

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I think Gourdis will eventually be a welcome inclusion. He has the speed to keep up with smaller forwards (and Franklin) and the leap to play with taller forwards. He also has the bulk to play against gorilla types. All in all he has the perfect attributes for a defender in the 21st century.

All we have to do is develop him properly, something we have found incredibly difficult to do in the past!

 

[Ruanaidh]

I think Gourdis will eventually be a welcome inclusion.

Yes, along with bulk he has tremendous pace for his size. We have to be patient with this one and give him a couple of seasons at Coburg to develop into the role.

 

[TigerCleavage]

McGuane is good quality to have on the list. I'd like to see him up forward as well as down back though, I think his pace off the mark would be killer up forward. Not sure how he goes in regards to marking and kicking. If we could at least bring him up as a forward/backman he'd be incredibly useful to us.

 

[santa claws]

McGuane is good quality to have on the list. I'd like to see him up forward as well as down back though, I think his pace off the mark would be killer up forward. Not sure how he goes in regards to marking and kicking. If we could at least bring him up as a forward/backman he'd be incredibly useful to us.

his kicking and decision making are abysmal. he has a frame that is also a disgrace for a so called kpp.. im afraid luke should be assesed as short term. or as someone we can/should upgrade on

 

[cormick]

McGuane is good quality to have on the list. I'd like to see him up forward as well as down back though, I think his pace off the mark would be killer up forward. Not sure how he goes in regards to marking and kicking. If we could at least bring him up as a forward/backman he'd be incredibly useful to us.

That could help if he was a forward

 

[Ruanaidh]

McGuane is good quality to have on the list. I'd like to see him up forward as well as down back though, I think his pace off the mark would be killer up forward. Not sure how he goes in regards to marking and kicking. If we could at least bring him up as a forward/backman he'd be incredibly useful to us.

Wasn't he a forward in his junior years?

 

[TigerCleavage]

Wasn't he a forward in his junior years?

That's what I thought.
TW has this horrible habit of turning young forwards into defenders.

 

[cormick]

That's what I thought.
TW has this horrible habit of turning young forwards into defenders.

So true
Keep Gourdis as a forward imo!

 

[richoatthedisco]

David Schwarz reckons McGuane will be the next Dustin Fletcher

David Schwarz is an idiot. Fletcher is 3 inches taller than McGuane and is a magnificent kick, which McGuane... is not.
Always go the KP forward ahead of the defender. They win you matches.

 

[Wally07]

McGuanne is a dud and will not make it. Should be delisted at years end.

 

[_RT_]

David Schwarz reckons McGuane will be the next Dustin Fletcher
We all know Thursty's a gun.
Moore has held Buddy to one goal and comprehensively beaten Fev despite his 4.
Rance, despite having never played a game, looks the goods from all reports.

Which of this lot is least likely to "make it"? (For mine, I don't think McGuane will make it, but hope like hell he does!)

Are they collectively big enough to form the core of the back line and take on up and coming giants ala Roughead and Mitch Clarke at brissy?


Do we need anymore KPD's on the list now we've got these 4, plus Schulz, Silvester and hopefully, but atm not importantly, Polak, on the list to take the KPF's they'll come up against?


I personally believe that we shouldn't be looking to draft anymore tall defenders, as we seem to struggle more with containing small forwards and attacking mids than the main targets of the opposition.
When was the last time a KPF took us to the cleaners and got a big bag of 7 or 8+?


If equally rated KPF's and KPD's were available at our pick, for arguements sake Hurley and Watts, I would much much much prefer us to take the forward, but the media and sections of our fans still seem to think our KPD talent is thin and not up to it.

What do people here think?

Interesting that you think that we have enough KP defenders but don't think we have enough in terms of KP forwards.

The way I see the list we have 4 players who can play as KP defenders: Will, Rance, McGuane & Polak (including him at the moment until such time as a decision is made on him playing again). To me a KP player needs to be 190 or taller and each of them is.

At the other end of the ground we have 6 players who could be used as KP forwards: Hughes, Riewoldt, Schulz(I don't think he will be a KP defender as he is too unaccountable), Gourdis, Putt and Pattison(the last 2 could be a handy ruck/forward combination down the track).

If we wanted to sure up our side for the future I think the best thing we could do is draft another pure KP defender. Our best bet is someone like Hurley, at 192 cm and about 90kg he would fit in nicely along side the other 4 and would really beef up our backline in the future.

As it stands out backline has conceeded the 4th most points against tally. Only teams that conceed more than us are Melbourne, WCE and Essendon. To become a real contender for the 8 we need to be able to stop sides scoring against us.

I think if we were to pick up Hurley it would allow us to use Moore as a player who could tackle the medium size forwards that seem to always get hold of us. Moore himself even said on radio that he prefers to play more of an attacking half back role that key position but knows he has to cover when players like Will/McGuane are missing.

Having said all that, there are 2 players I would not mind come draft time. In terms of a KP defender, I have already mentioned Hurley and the other is Nick Suban a 179cm 80kg small defender, who most on the draft board, think will go top 10 this year. I think that picking up either of these 2 in first round would be a wise move, considering that there seems to be plenty more on offer in terms of KP forwards with players like Aaron Cornelius, Tom Hill, Lewis Johnston(would love to nab him as a second round pick) & Shaun McKernan, while you could also look at utilities like Vickery, Trengrove, Lynch and Gaertner who are all 190cm or taller.

 

[bigstyletiger]

There is no way our backline is complete.

Its complete until we get into the top 5 points against in the competition.

Right now we're about 12th I think.

They're showing promise but we're still leaking far too many points.

Carlton had 62 inside 50's against us on the weekend. How do you suppose KPD's are going to stop that! You could have the all Australian backline and still struggle to win games with that amount of ball entering the backline. It's the mids and the forwards which need to help out the backline by slowing up and reducing the forward entries of the opposition. Defense, as Hawthorn's zone demonstrates, is a team responsibility. Our KP backs are very good for their age.

 

[Richo Man]

I don't know why everyone thinks McGuane won't make it. I liked him since day 1, I reckon he can and will make it. He's a decent size already needs to put a tiny bit more muscle on though.
There was a game last year, i can't remember who it was against, may have been Essendon? We were up, looked like we had it won and a ball was being kicked to someone on the wing he sprinted to the player from God only knows where and got the punch in, looked wrecked after it but shows he never gives in.
Also I agree that we do have enough KPD, a KPF, ruckman and a small defender should be in sights. Maybe not even a ruckman, anyone know if Putt looks like he could make it yet? Graham any good? And Cartledge isn't too old is he? I would like to see us give him a go if anyone is injured or retires (tivendale)

 

[JSFish]

There was a game last year, i can't remember who it was against, may have been Essendon? We were up, looked like we had it won and a ball was being kicked to someone on the wing he sprinted to the player from God only knows where and got the punch in, looked wrecked after it but shows he never gives in.

I remember the exact same thing, have a feeling it was against the Pies but not sure. Anyway, that's stuck in my mind too, just showed amazing closing speed.

 

[cormick]

Not having a go at you RT, but I noticed you left Moore off your KPD list, i presume, delibrately, saying that hes to small for KPD.
Not even third tall spot?
I rate Moore as a very good smallish KPD...do you think hes just a "small-medium" defender?

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

i reckon our backline is almost complete we just need a small/medium defender to stop the smaller guys.

Kingy?