New SuperCoach rules for 2012

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Just got this off twitter thought it was worth discussing:

@FantasyFreakoFantasy Freako
Trading system likely to be changed in 2012. Watch this space... #dreamteam #supercoach

 

[Feerits Elf]

Re: Trading Changes in 2012?

What is there to discuss if the actual change to the trading system has not even been hinted at?

Or were you seeking speculation?

 

[1989]

Re: Trading Changes in 2012?

Hopefully, with no bye, they bring it back to 20 trades. Many SCs were able to 'finish' their teams quite early, end up with premiums / semi-premiuns as bench cover, and have a few trades up their sleeves for finals. Too many.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Re: Trading Changes in 2012?

Hopefully, with no bye, they bring it back to 20 trades. Many SCs were able to 'finish' their teams quite early, end up with premiums / semi-premiuns as bench cover, and have a few trades up their sleeves for finals. Too many.

not too sure why that matters as it was the same rules for everybody..?

Regardless of 20, 24 or 30 trades, we all play the same game and the best team will win..

 

[CaramlThickshake]

Re: Trading Changes in 2012?

not too sure why that matters as it was the same rules for everybody..?

Regardless of 20, 24 or 30 trades, we all play the same game and the best team will win..

less trades=higher difficulty level, and more emphasis on shrewd trading. its true that this might also mean luck plays more of a role in deciding the winner as its harder to cover injuries etc, but i prefer this to a trading free for all where everyone has fully premium teams very early in the season.

 

[1989]

Re: Trading Changes in 2012?

not too sure why that matters as it was the same rules for everybody..?

Regardless of 20, 24 or 30 trades, we all play the same game and the best team will win..

If the salary cap was increased to $20 million it would be the same for everybody too. Doesn't mean it would make it a better competition though.

The point is, 24 is too many. I know people who didn't use their trades very well this year, but still ended up with competitive teams come finals time.

If you used your trades well and, for example, ended up with seven premiums in the midfield, it wasn't a huge advantage coming up against someone who hadn't traded as well, but still had six premium midfielders. At the end of the day, it's still six vs six on the field.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Re: Trading Changes in 2012?

Given that the best team of the year still wound up at least three keepers short, you'd need a few more than 24 trades for the average player to definitively finish a team. I'm playing Fantasy Premier League at the moment where, for a squad of 15, you have 37 free trades, unlimited extra trades at a points hit, and two complete team replacement wildcards, and yet you still have good teams and bad teams. With extra cap or trades you simply have to look to extra avenues for advantage, such as form and fixtures, which only opens up more options for a good player.

 

[peterbuch74]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-2012-rules-revealed/story-fn88c7kz-1226223813665

SUPERCOACH will be bigger and better than ever in 2012 with a series of new rules. And what's this about reversible trades?

 

[standingroomonly]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-2012-rules-revealed/story-fn88c7kz-1226223813665

Next season the new trade screen will allow coaches to swap DPP players for a replacement in any of their available positions, provided you have another DPP player to cover them.

For example, if Brendon Goddard (listed as a midfielder and defender) is in your midfield and you want to trade him out, until now you only had the option of swapping him for another midfielder.

Next year you can trade out Goddard from your midfield, switch another mid/def player (say, Bryce Gibbs) into the middle and trade in a defender.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-2012-rules-revealed/story-fn88c7kz-1226223813665

Couldn't you already do this? Just swap them pre-trade on the team screen?

 

[September 27 2008]

An example of what it means.

Let's say you have Goddard as a midfielder.

You could trade out a defender, switch Goddard from midfield to defence to cover the traded out player, because of his D/M MPP, and then trade in any midfielder.

So you've effectively traded a defender for a midfielder in 1 trade by switching Goddard.

 

[Lensen]

An example of what it means.

Let's say you have Goddard as a midfielder.

You could trade out a defender, switch Goddard from midfield to defence to cover the traded out player, because of his D/M MPP, and then trade in any midfielder.

So you've effectively traded a defender for a midfielder in 1 trade by switching Goddard.

If its only as you explained it then its no real benefit, other than you don't have to do the "internal" trade.

What I'm hoping they meant though is you can change around players that haven't got the same type of dual positioning, in a three way swap style like this:

McKernan (B,F) - backline
Gibbs (B,C) - midfield
Didak (C,F) - forward

If I want to trade Didak out for a midfielder (or backman), as of last year I couldn't - but hopefully this year I can trade Didak for a midfielder, put Gibbs to the backline and McKernan to the forward line.

 

[Pocket_Pears]

I think what it means is that if you have the following set up:

Backs: Duigan(Back)
Mids: Goddard(Mid/Back)

You can trade Duigan for a pure midfielder and then swap with Goddard.

You couldn't do this previously, because Duigan was stuck in your backline.

 

[Blessed]

I think what it means is that if you have the following set up:

Backs: Duigan(Back)
Mids: Goddard(Mid/Back)

You can trade Duigan for a pure midfielder and then swap with Goddard.

Yeah, hopefuly it is a swap a go deal.

So Goddard could go back and you could bring in a Swan in the middle.

More options and will help the good players more than the hacks with luck.

 

[standingroomonly]

Ah righto, yeah that would actually be handy.

 

[vast]

so we still have to suffer the substitute rule. They could have at least bought in a rule which says if you have a selected emergency that scores more than a subbed players than that score counts instead.

 

[Hank93]

I think what it means is that if you have the following set up:

Backs: Duigan(Back)
Mids: Goddard(Mid/Back)

You can trade Duigan for a pure midfielder and then swap with Goddard.

You couldn't do this previously, because Duigan was stuck in your backline.

Yep, that is right. Under this years scenario, You could trade Grimes out, Heppell would have to be in your midfield, Heppell would have taken Grimes spot and then you could trade in a pure midfielder, to "replace" Heppell.

So effectivly you have traded Grimes for a midfielder, despite Grimes not being Dual Positions.

 

[Pocket_Pears]

so we still have to suffer the substitute rule. They could have at least bought in a rule which says if you have a selected emergency that scores more than a subbed players than that score counts instead.

This sort of stuff is open to exploitation though. If you know a player will be subbed, you can start them on the field and name another player as emergency and just take the higher score of the two.

I think you'll just have to deal with it like everyone else. Its annoying, but it affects everyone, so you're not at a disadvantage. Just try not to pick players that are likely to get subbed.

 

[12Parks]

Not that it is a new rule, but we will have the byes again this year. Looks like it will be tough to make sure there are no donuts in the bye rounds looking at the teams who have the byes together, even with DPP!

Backs/Mids Rnd 15- Blues (Gibbs, Scotland), Rich (Delidio), St.Kilda (Goddard).

Fwds/Mids Rnd 14 - Essendon (Zaharakis), Geelong (Chappy), Sydney (Goodes, O'Keefe), Fremantle (Pavlich, Fyfe)

Rucks Rnd 13 - West Coast (Cox), Brisbane (Luenberger), Kangaroos (Goldstein)

Rucks Rnd 14 - Sydney (Mummy), Fremantle (Sandi)

The extra spot on the bench might have been handy again!!

 

[Pocket_Pears]

Not that it is a new rule, but we will have the byes again this year. Looks like it will be tough to make sure there are no donuts in the bye rounds looking at the teams who have the byes together, even with DPP!

Backs/Mids Rnd 15- Blues (Gibbs, Scotland), Rich (Delidio), St.Kilda (Goddard).

Fwds/Mids Rnd 14 - Essendon (Zaharakis), Geelong (Chappy), Sydney (Goodes, O'Keefe), Fremantle (Pavlich, Fyfe)

Rucks Rnd 13 - West Coast (Cox), Brisbane (Luenberger), Kangaroos (Goldstein)

Rucks Rnd 14 - Sydney (Mummy), Fremantle (Sandi)

The extra spot on the bench might have been handy again!!

They are giving us an extra trade per round during these rounds, but I will find it hard to justify burning 9 trades in 3 rounds, unless I'm facing a donut.

I think the best strategy will be to start with a majority of players who have their byes in rounds 12 & 13, then after rounds 11 & 12 trade them out for players who have already had their bye.

Ideally these trades will want to be upgrades, rather than sideways trades to get the most benefit.

So if I represent each line in terms of players who have a bye in rounds 11/12/13:

Before Round 11:
Backs: 2/3/4 (9)
Mids: 2/3/3 (8)
Fwds: 2/3/4 (9)
You can use up to 3 trades to get to this position but ideally set your team up like this to save trades. Your two bench players on each line have the bye, the rest are playing.

Before Round 12:
Backs: 3/2/4 (9) (1 trade)
Mids: 3/2/3 (8) (1 trade)
Fwds: 3/2/4 (9) (1 trade)
Trade out a round-12-bye player for a round-11-bye player on each line. Again your two bench players on each line have the bye, the rest are playing.

Before Round 13:
Backs: 3/3/3 (9) (1 trade)
Mids: 3/3/2 (8) (1 trade)
Fwds: 3/3/3 (9) (1 trade)
Trade out a round-13-bye player for either a round-11 or round-12-bye player on each line. Only your midfield is spared a donut.

OK, in conclusion, even using the maximum trades, you will still end up with 2 donuts in Round 13. This can probably be reduced to 1 if you have a F/R ruckman to swap with.

 

[spudmaster]

*snip*.

Monty has an article on FF that delves into this further and shows how, all things according to plan with the right DPP's, 6 trades over the 3 rounds will be able to cover all donuts.

 

[Pocket_Pears]

Monty has an article on FF that delves into this further and shows how, all things according to plan with the right DPP's, 6 trades over the 3 rounds will be able to cover all donuts.

Hadn't seen that, thanks.

But as I guessed, you do need DPP rucks to cover the donuts. Didn't know you could cover 2 though. Good work Monty.

However, not sure if I want to put all of Ryder, Kreuzer and Petrie in my team just to avoid donuts, when it might be easier to pick someone who will outscore them by 10 pts per game each (660 pts over the season), which is worth way more than what you gain by avoiding 2 donuts.

It all comes down to choice. You can pick a player to structure your team around the byes, or pick someone who can outscore them by at least 5 points/game (so 110 pts over the season) which is about the same as (or probably better than) avoiding the 0 anyway.

 

[The Big Sauce]

6 trades might cover all donuts but that side won't win the prize across the last 10 rounds. In some cases it is going to be worth copping a tactical donut & backing the quality of your side to make up those points across the journey before & after the byes.

 

[The Real Deal]

An example of what it means.

Let's say you have Goddard as a midfielder.

You could trade out a defender, switch Goddard from midfield to defence to cover the traded out player, because of his D/M MPP, and then trade in any midfielder.

So you've effectively traded a defender for a midfielder in 1 trade by switching Goddard.

Not sure what is meant by "Coaches will be able to complete two trades at a time - three during the bye rounds. This will come into its own with the use of dual-position players." Is this related to the example given above??

 

[Ed D]

Not sure what is meant by "Coaches will be able to complete two trades at a time - three during the bye rounds. This will come into its own with the use of dual-position players." Is this related to the example given above??

Nah. The example given is a type of trade you can do any time during the year (swapping an MPP to a different position then trading in and out guys from the two positions the MPP holds). The 3 trades during byes is exactly that, you have 3 trades in those rounds instead of the usual 2 for any other round.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

The hardest part for me is finding forward mid DPP options. very few rookies i can think of atm who have it available, also only main players iw il lconsider are Martin and Sylvia. thoughts?

GWS rookies, Smith, Haynes and Adams, but i would rather have Shiels or Coniglio in the midfield tbh, and we have little form on these guys, NAB will tell us what we need to know.