Pavlich's future

[Proud SJW]

Tough love, Clem.

Don't give me this shit about commitment to the club though. He's an employee, and a well paid one. Nothing more, nothing less. You could call him our greatest ever player, but only until the next one comes along.

Sports club or business? You can't have a little bit of both.

Sentiment and tradition are two things distinguishing the AFL somewhat from other sports, and attract more supporters both now and in the future. The AFL even has father/son rules to help the sons of players make it to their traditional clubs.

That might be changing a little now, but there's no doubt that Pavlich staying with Fremantle has been a bonus the Fremantle Football club will unlikely to ever repay, with long term ramifications we haven't yet seen (or perhaps we are even now).
There is plenty of speculation regarding how much he could have made at another club over the years.

The club does need to pay at least service to tradition and sentiment, it's what the whole game runs on.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

Of course you can.
It's both a profession and a sport. That's why they call them professional sportsmen. It's because Footy is such a great sport, and because we love talking footy, that we spend time on this board. There's no money in that (unless you're Chief).

If there was no place for sentiment, people would change teams as they go up and down the ladder. Pav showed he is more than just a high paid employee because he made the choice to stay when he had better offers. "He is an employee...nothing more or less" Do you even watch football? Or have you reached the tipping point?

Pav is our greatest ever player, and until Fyfe wins a few premierships and gets over 200 games he will remain so. Of all our players he deserves our sentiment. You are a few trees short of an orchard if you can't see that.

Do I even watch football? Not only do I watch it, Clem, I pay for the privilege. Now that's commitment.

I remind you that we have had many players we considered greats of the club, right up until the club decided they didn't need them any more.

Some of the supporters on this board really are schizophrenic, flipping from footy being a sport to it being a business to suit their purposes.

 

[Clems Knee]

Do I even watch football? Not only do I watch it, Clem, I pay for the privilege. Now that's commitment.

I remind you that we have had many players we considered greats of the club, right up until the club decided they didn't need them any more.

Some of the supporters on this board really are schizophrenic, flipping from footy being a sport to it being a business to suit their purposes.

Okay you watch. And you pay. But according to your reasoning, why? Pav is nothing more than a high paid employee. The club is just a business. So you have reached the tipping point.

No. Most of us still consider retired players greats of our club. They just don't stack up to the achievements and commitment shown by Pavlich. Most supporters respect ex players, whether they were forced into retirement or chose to leave themselves.

Schizophrenic? That's the nature of professional sport. It is a sport and it's a business. How can you not see that?

 

[Reginald Perrin]

Okay you watch. And you pay. But according to your reasoning, why? Pav is nothing more than a high paid employee. The club is just a business. So you have reached the tipping point.

No. Most of us still consider retired players greats of our club. They just don't stack up to the achievements and commitment shown by Pavlich. Most supporters respect ex players, whether they were forced into retirement or chose to leave themselves.

Schizophrenic? That's the nature of professional sport. It is a sport and it's a business. How can you not see that?

You're missing all my points, Clem, but I can understand that. I'm being deliberately obscure.

You're right about me me being at a tipping point though. I love the team and hate the club. It's frustrating.

 

[Clems Knee]

You're missing all my points, Clem, but I can understand that. I'm being deliberately obscure.

You're right about me me being at a tipping point though. I love the team and hate the club. It's frustrating.

I'm trying to understand your points Reg. But if you are too obscure maybe the points aren't there. I can only address what you write down.
Is this about Crowley?

 

[Reginald Perrin]

I'm trying to understand your points Reg. But if you are too obscure maybe the points aren't there. I can only address what you write down.
Is this about Crowley?

Not specifically, but it all adds up over the years.

 

[salim malik]

You're missing all my points, Clem, but I can understand that. I'm being deliberately obscure.

You're right about me me being at a tipping point though. I love the team and hate the club. It's frustrating.

You hate the club because in your view they have ditched tradition and become a soul less franchise,a business chasing the corporate dollar and when they try to build up tradition by keeping our greatest player on our books you say the club should be more business like and chop him.Hard to follow your flip flopping Reg.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

You hate the club because in your view they have ditched tradition and become a soul less franchise,a business chasing the corporate dollar and when they try to build up tradition by keeping our greatest player on our books you say the club should be more business like and chop him.Hard to follow your flip flopping Reg.

It's not my flip-flopping. I'm drawing attention to the flip-flopping of others.

Years from now I'll be hailed as a visionary. People will say "Hey, you know that crazy guy that used to post here years ago, he was a visionary. I completely understand now where he was coming from."

 

[salim malik]

It's not my flip-flopping. I'm drawing attention to the flip-flopping of others.

Years from now I'll be hailed as a visionary. People will say "Hey, you know that crazy guy that used to post here years ago, he was a visionary. I completely understand now where he was coming from."

From to much like a business and soulless franchise to not being enough business like is pretty hard not to construe as a flip flop.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

It's not my flip-flopping. I'm drawing attention to the flip-flopping of others.

Years from now I'll be hailed as a visionary. People will say "Hey, you know that crazy guy that used to post here years ago, he was a visionary. I completely understand now where he was coming from."

You are giving posters here too much credit

 

[meima]

You are giving posters here too much credit

Agree I think remember Regi more on your like of Vegemite more that the visionary thingy.

 

[Mr Peabody]

Can't see this posted elsewhere. Some interesting fodder in here.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/29959428/dockers-dilemma-is-when-not-to-play-pav/

- The success or failure of Matthew Pavlich’s decision to play on in 2016 will be determined as much by how much courage the club has in deciding when not to play him as much as it hinges on his physical ability to continue.
- They would do well to remind themselves of 2013 when much was achieved despite long absences for both Pavlich and Aaron Sandilands.
- Players who were challenged to play increased roles developed significantly.
- With older players, less is sometimes more.
- At his age, long stints without a break are a recipe for bad football, soreness and injury.
- The Dockers wanted to manage Luke McPharlin through his 16th AFL season this year, but couldn’t quite achieve it.

 

[MadDocker]

3 goals + a game in the first 3 games.
Average of 2 goals over the next 3 with a few games looking "off".
Struggle through the next 4 games and sustain an injury. Everyone in the AFL saying "we told you so".
Return round 21 with a 1 goal game.
Ramp up to 3+ heading into the finals.
Average of 5 during finals including a bag of 6 in the big one.

Put your house on it. Especially the first 2....