Pick one ... do we go for it?

[Bird Man]

Gerrad on 360 said richmond and north are primed for this as (he thinks) we need that added player to push forward.

im mixed on the situation

No go's are Cotchin,lids and Martin

Possibles

Foley and another ? or our first rounder? if jack wants to leave for money?

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Nope. There is no one we are willing to give away that they would want

 

[Mr Magic]

Definitely IMO.


But if Franklin goes to GWS can't see them wanting JR as well assuming he wanted the money and instant success


Can't see us rightfully giving up Cotch or Martin either.

So Lids maybe and whatever.

I think a trade may involve a few clubs eg. we might trade a few players to a club for that club to give one or 2 players to GWS for us to get the number one.

we would be mad not to chase Boyd if we could though IMO given the future of our list and the lack of a big KPP which is our major deficiiency and with our likely success apart from expensive FA i would be hard for us to nab what we probably will need to take the next step and ensure a very strong successful period ahead well into the future eg.7-15 years

 

[hunchback]

Gerrad on 360 said richmond and north are primed for this as (he thinks) we need that added player to push forward.

Possibles

Foley and another ? or our first rounder? if jack wants to leave for money?

And you'd be taking our list back another 3 years.

KPP's like Jack would take a minimum of 3 years to fully impact the league; and considering the No. 1 pick is most likely going to be a KPP this year, it would be a waste to ever consider such a trade.

Furthermore, Jack's love for the club is undeniable; something extreme would have to happen to push him to go to GWS. He is also relatively young and is about to enter his peak years.

Our current development is tracking along well. I trust our recruiting team to land another star that could compete well with the first pick.

Besides, Gerard Healey doesn't have the best opinion around the joint.

 

[Mr Magic]

Nope. There is no one we are willing to give away that they would want

In hindsight we should have chased Omeara

Doubt Jack Martin better than Omeara as some seem to report

 

[eays]

If that is what he said then he is in fairy land ... The additional depth we need we be gained via free agency ... No way we voluntarily pay the price they would be asking for pick 1 ... I say voluntarily because if jack was primed to go it may be a case of making the best of a bad situation .... But I don't think that scenario is in the spirit of what the OP was getting at .

All that said, our first pick for Taylor Adams would be something I'd do in a heart beat!!

 

[Mr Magic]

Thinking about it in retrospect if we had of traded for Omeara then traded for boyd this year going forward we would be looking like a million dollars with our young talent!!

 

[JR82]

Gerrad on 360 said richmond and north are primed for this as (he thinks) we need that added player to push forward.

im mixed on the situation

No go's are Cotchin,lids and Martin

Possibles

Foley and another ? or our first rounder? if jack wants to leave for money?

what did he suggest as the trade to get it done?

 

[Predator35]

Swap Tyrone, Mcbean and our first pick. Gives them 2 big forwards/ruckmen which they need and we get Boyd.
We can then trade for another ruckman like we have done with Maric.

 

[Mr Magic]

I will say this

If we traded for
Boyd and we had JR and Boyd in our forward line going forward into the future, I would shoot whoever it was that woke me up from that dream of ecstasy!!!

 

[hunchback]

Definitely IMO.

Lack of a big KPP which is our major deficiiency
Ensure a very strong successful period ahead well into the future eg.7-15 years

Big KPP is a major deficiency? I'd have though that a two time Coleman medallist, and a pick 9 upcoming star would fill those rolls. To add to that, if we look extremely optimistically, we have other talls that are all relatively high draft picks. There will be plenty of other opportunites to secure the services of another capable of providing a formidable target.

We have larger deficiencies in our list that need to be addressed, including small forwards, back flankers, etc., especially considering the age of the older players such as Newman, King and Tuck.

7 - 15 years to wait for a slight tilt at the premiership is an awfully long time. We should be aiming to compete for a premiership before the anticipated dominance of GWS and Gold Coast. We are in a position to launch a strong compaign towards the cup in the upcoming years. I hope that we at least consider the opportunity of contesting for the dream soon.

 

[LegendakaRICHO]

ty vickery+2nd rounder

 

[Mr Magic]

Big KPP is a major deficiency? I'd have though that a two time Coleman medallist, and a pick 9 upcoming star would fill those rolls. To add to that, if we look extremely optimistically, we have other talls that are all relatively high draft picks. There will be plenty of other opportunites to secure the services of another capable of providing a formidable target.

We have larger deficiencies in our list that need to be addressed, including small forwards, back flankers, etc., especially considering the age of the older players such as Newman, King and Tuck.

7 - 15 years to wait for a slight tilt at the premiership is an awfully long time. We should be aiming to compete for a premiership before the anticipated dominance of GWS and Gold Coast. We are in a position to launch a strong compaign towards the cup in the upcoming years. I hope that we at least consider the opportunity of contesting for the dream soon.

7-15 is really 1-15 years, just expanding our window, baby bombers never underestimate youth.

JR is a great forward, well deserved coleman medalist but for me he is a genuine floater as opposed to genuine FF.

Disagree, our No. 1 deficiency is a lack of a key forward. Has been since Michael Roach although Hogg was okay.

Ask Royce Hart who said JR needs some help.

BTW Griff was pick 18 , hardly a high draft pick like a Nick Reiwoldt or Franklin.

We already have the players to fill Newman's boots when he chooses to retire, Vlastuin can take off where Tuck left athough we do need quality small forward-bingo Garlett

 

[Cotcho]

Griffiths + White + Nahas + 2nd round

 

[Barnzy]

To get pick 1 we'd have to trade away key pieces of our team like a Jack, Lids, etc. Trading away players in their prime for an 18 year old kid who will be years off it would just not be smart especially as we look to push for consistent finals and top 4 over the next few years.

Just won't happen.

 

[Mr Magic]

I actually think it is possible for us to get Boyd and still win a premiership next year, whereas not getting him diminishes our premiership prospects IMO into the future unless we can somehow get an elite key forward some other way, which is what Gerard was pointing out to, highly doubtful.

unless we start seeing a larger supply such as looking at US KPP talent for example it is very hard to find players with required talent


The way I see it our key pieces are really Martin and Cotch and even Vlastuin. JR is a key piece without a replacement to.

So I think it is possible we might be able to interest GWS.

For example, if Lids was interested in going to GWS, high money, think he got married so settled lifewise, same draft year as Franklin, should win at least premiership at GWS, very durable, and also the option we may be able to get him back later as well

 

[Calcium Man]

GWS will not be able to trade pick one. The currency they want is just not available from any club unless a specific player wants to move. i.e Judd

No way known would we trade a know quantity like Jack, Cotchin, Martin, Lids for potential in Boyd or O'meara. Nor would Adelaide give up Dangerfield and walker, Lions Luenberger, Carlton Murphy, Collingwood Beams Pendles or Cloke, Essendon Carlisle, Freo Fyfe and ect...

The only way it will happen is with a pick upgrade from maybe saints or Bulldogs but still who are they going to give up, and whoever it is they will pay well and truly overs.

 

[mcuzzy]

Nah, stick to developing what we already have imo. If we become a gun team, then the players will want to play for us, just like how Hawks have managed to get some real gems while making the finals every year (except 2009)

 

[Turka]

no

 

[Mr Magic]

GWS will not be able to trade pick one. The currency they want is just not available from any club unless a specific player wants to move. i.e Judd

No way known would we trade a know quantity like Jack, Cotchin, Martin, Lids for potential in Boyd or O'meara. Nor would Adelaide give up Dangerfield and walker, Lions Luenberger, Carlton Murphy, Collingwood Beams Pendles or Cloke, Essendon Carlisle, Freo Fyfe and ect...

The only way it will happen is with a pick upgrade from maybe saints or Bulldogs but still who are they going to give up, and whoever it is they will pay well and truly overs.

???? commentators are saying Omeara is a Ablett/Judd hybrid. you have the extra years.

IMO Omeara well be a better player than Gary Ablett Junior comfortably. Happy to take odds on at least one brownlow, book it


So Hawks trading Croad for the Hodge pick were knobs???

 

[Calcium Man]

???? commentators are saying Omeara is a Ablett/Judd hybrid. you have the extra years.

IMO Omeara well be a better player than Gary Ablett Junior comfortably. Happy to take odds on at least one brownlow, book it


So Hawks trading Croad for the Hodge pick were knobs???

Commentators also say boy oh boy wowwee and the boos for Jobe tonight are despicable and so on and so forth.

O'meara looks like an unbelievable player i was suggesting before he was drafted nobody in their right mind would give up a cotchin at 21-22 coming off a B&F year. You have a know quantity at AFL level in Cotchin not O'Meara. Add to that your basically moving yourself 2 years back by getting an 18 year old O'Meara vs a 22 year old Cotchin.

If you could give up a Grigg or Shane Edwards and pick 12 i'd say where do we sign but GWS have made it abundantly clear they want 21-24 year old star with 100 games under their belt. No club will give these guys up.

Hawks did it in a completely different era with Freo who were know to be stupid at the trade table at them time. Quite simply no established club will trade a superstar for a potential superstar unless they know they are coming out well ahead. Which is why they'll trade good solid players.

 

[Mr Magic]

Commentators also say boy oh boy wowwee and the boos for Jobe tonight are despicable and so on and so forth.

O'meara looks like an unbelievable player i was suggesting before he was drafted nobody in their right mind would give up a cotchin at 21-22 coming off a B&F year. You have a know quantity at AFL level in Cotchin not O'Meara. Add to that your basically moving yourself 2 years back by getting an 18 year old O'Meara vs a 22 year old Cotchin.

If you could give up a Grigg or Shane Edwards and pick 12 i'd say where do we sign but GWS have made it abundantly clear they want 21-24 year old star with 100 games under their belt. No club will give these guys up.

Hawks did it in a completely different era with Freo who were know to be stupid at the trade table at them time. Quite simply no established club will trade a superstar for a potential superstar unless they know they are coming out well ahead. Which is why they'll trade good solid players.

So GWS wouldn't take Lids as part of a deal??

Franklin is 26

clubs will trade elite for potential but likely elite forward KPP just due to lack of supply. It is the nature of our game atm. This will be like a Goddard not a Garlett situation where everyone lets it go through to the keeper.

Ignoring the drugs, when it comes to bold adventurous activities Essendon seems to pop up. Is that because they are simply relentlessly trying to do whatever they can with confidence to improve?

 

[BF Tiger]

No

 

[NZ_Tiger]

In hindsight we should have chased Omeara

Doubt Jack Martin better than Omeara as some seem to report

I think we inquired but it was pretty clear they wanted one of our top 3 picks or jack, in the end they had to settle for the second pick once their sneaky 5 way trade fell in a heap.

 

[pebblestone]

Griffiths + White + Nahas + 2nd round

Why would they recruit 3 players who wouldn't make their best 22?
We need to get real and realise that they're not going to give up pick 1 for our scraps. The need a ruck and a key tall at each end and they won't take anyone that isn't already a respected player.
We don't have much to offer that can't be trumped by Brisbane, north, Collingwood, etc.