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Even in a massive win it is still clearly obvious that there are guys in the side who cant hit a target even under no pressure at all. We can no longer afford to persist with players who can't kick and continually turn the ball over. Watching the VFL (a game which was played under similar pressure) you can see the guys who can't hit a target consistently and they should not be promoted.

Enright, D Johnson and Tenace have all been ordinary kicks for years and should be dropped for quality disposes of the ball in Stokes, Prismall and Djerrkura.

Byrnes, J Hunt, Gardiner and Playfair are shocking kicks even in the VFL and should be left there for the remainder of the season.
 
Jack-Packenham said:
Enright, D Johnson and Tenace have all been ordinary kicks for years and should be dropped for quality disposes of the ball in Stokes, Prismall and Djerrkura.
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I agree that Enright and DJ are not the best kicks, but I feel that they have other qualities which make up for this - Enright seems to read the play well and mops up creating the link out of defence; DJ's outstanding courage and run-with ability make him valuable. I don't think Tenace will ever be more than a fringe player - his one attribute when he arrived (pace) doesn't seem as explosive any more.

Jack-Packenham said:
Watching the VFL (a game which was played under similar pressure) you can see the guys who can't hit a target consistently and they should not be promoted. Byrnes, J Hunt, Gardiner and Playfair are shocking kicks even in the VFL and should be left there for the remainder of the season.
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Agree with this - Byrnes has had many opportunities, finds the ball but can't seem to convert seemingly gettable opportunities (a must for someone in that role). Hunt, for all his ability to kick long and with penetration, it seems has an inability to perceive depth on the field and kick into the areas where players are making space, therby utilising that weapon. How many times can you recall him taking a mark in defence, then hunch over while sizing up his options. He usually can't spot the area to kick into further away so lays off the ball to someone 15-20m away.

Talking to another Geelong tragic at work, we actually thought that he might be better off up the ground (wing/HF) - he is a pretty strong mark, wouldn't have to worry about a direct opponent as much and get more opportunity to use the long kick to greater effect. Just something to consider.
 
J Hunt in 2004/2005 was one of the best kicks in the business, he had a beautiful left foot kick that found targets more often than not. Last year he has realyl lost his self confidence. I would love to see him regain that confidence and be back in the team.
 

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I'm with Jack on this one. I watched closely the disposal side of things yesterday and I agree. Enright's disposal was poor (i don't know who is keeping the effective stats but they must include kicks that float in and the forward gets their hands on it as effective!). I couldn't help but think that Prismall could do much better on the back flank (if there is no room in the midfield).

Tenace drops the ball from just under his chin. His short kicking got a tad better as the pressure dropped off but he was very loathe to kick a longer pass. Wasn't good.

I wasn't watching DJ kick - not sure about him.
 
DJ has another terrible trait,in that he jumps into the packs running with the flight of the ball when not required,leaving his man (usually a small forward) to mop up.Some might call it courage I call it a lack of awareness.
 
Agree totally about Enright. The stats might say that he had a lot of effective disposals, but watching the game live told another story. I'm prepared to reserve judgment on Tenace. His disposal improved as the game went on (a sign of rising confidence). He needs to be given a good run in the seniors (at least six or seven games) to be give an opportunity to really find his feet and play his best footy. Then we'll be in a better possession to assess whether he's up to it.

There's a few others I'd have the blowtorch on as well. Kelly continually misses targets (despite his supposed silky skills), and Joel Corey's delivery to the forward line is abysmal. Corey's saving grace is that he is a good ball winner and got his hands on a lot of ball at the stoppages last night. As long as he's not regularly delivering into forward 50, he has a lot to offer and has a place in the side. Kelly needs to pick up his act quick smart.

Hunt just takes too many risks for a defender. His mistakes are typically costly because of where he makes them, and they often result from trying to do too much under pressure. He might be good value off a wing or HFF where he can try to pinpoint passes to our forwards under less pressure, and the consequences of missing a target would be less disastrous.
 
sarah.13 said:
DJ has another terrible trait,in that he jumps into the packs running with the flight of the ball when not required,leaving his man (usually a small forward) to mop up.Some might call it courage I call it a lack of awareness.
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sarah, you have been critical of ling and therefore your opinion of johnson is not surprising.
 
If Enright was in the team for precision kicking he would have been gone long ago. He's there for his rebound and his ability to cut off opposition attack. In both of which, he does an excellent job.
 
Tenace needs to at least be given the opportunity to improve as Byrnes and co. have been. Give him a 4-5 games to show his worth, if he fails then drop him. To drop him after one match (where we won by 150+ pts) would be very unfair.

I thought it was Kelly's best game for a while, however, he didn't seem to have an opponent. The number of times he got the ball on the wing free of any pressure was staggering.

Last night meant absolutely nothing. The true test of Tenace, Kelly, Enright, Corey will be in the next few weeks when we play decent opposition and their disposal is under pressure.
 
Kelly got a tick from me last night. For the first time in a while. He can get the ball in low to the chest.
Corey not so good with the kicking but he was good helping win the ball in the guts. He also kicks floaters into the 50 which just demoralises the forwards.

When the forwards get fair to good delivery they can deliver a lot of the time.

For mine you can't have both Enright and Corey pumping the ball inside 50. Its like handing the ball to the defenders.

For what its worth I have to take back my words on Wojac his kicking has improved markedly. They are penetrating.
 
Why do we have people who are consistantly tearing the team down, even when we win by that margin ??

I cannot understand it. Out of a total of near 400 possessions, I'd say about 15 may have been ineffective.

That is a very low percentage. Give the guys a break. They totally destroyed Richmond, and it wasn't like just get to a 10 goal lead and stop there, they went on with it.

That is the part we should look at. Even when faced with an easy win, they didn't let up. They didn't lose their focus.

Our focus should remain on the passion they showed, not the less than 2% of clangers out of their total possessions. That would be a total waste of time.
 

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Talking to another Geelong tragic at work, we actually thought that he might be better off up the ground (wing/HF) - he is a pretty strong mark, wouldn't have to worry about a direct opponent as much and get more opportunity to use the long kick to greater effect. Just something to consider.[/QUOTE]

I Think Ramsay may have something here. Our appalling half-forward line is one of my biggest beefs with the Cats at the moment. Teams with good half-back lines smash us to pieces and use our weakness as a trampoline to goal. Hunt on a half forward line may put a bit of pressure on, especially if he's encouraged to use that left foot from outside fifty. As stated he's actually a pretty good (defensive) mark and would be worth a go up the ground.
 
catswhiskers said:
Kelly got a tick from me last night. For the first time in a while. He can get the ball in low to the chest.
Corey not so good with the kicking but he was good helping win the ball in the guts. He also kicks floaters into the 50 which just demoralises the forwards.

When the forwards get fair to good delivery they can deliver a lot of the time.

For mine you can't have both Enright and Corey pumping the ball inside 50. Its like handing the ball to the defenders.

For what its worth I have to take back my words on Wojac his kicking has improved markedly. They are penetrating.
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With Corey, and just to add to the argument, for all our inside 50's we probably had less than 10 rebound out without a score at all. Doesn't this say something to all our midfielders passing skills on the day ??
 
darren forssman said:
sarah, you have been critical of ling and therefore your opinion of johnson is not surprising.
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I happily ate humble pie over Ling several weeks ago,my criticism was more about the way he was being used. I was ridiculed when I suggested that he be thrown forward during a game but we'll let that slide.
As far as Johnson is concerned my observation about jumping into packs while leaving his man to mop up the loose ball must be obvious to even you.
I have stated many times that Johnson gives 100% but is not up to it. Just because we won by 26 goals hasn't changed my opinion,when the heat is on he's not up to it.
 
sarah.13 said:
I happily ate humble pie over Ling several weeks ago,my criticism was more about the way he was being used. I was ridiculed when I suggested that he be thrown forward during a game but we'll let that slide.
As far as Johnson is concerned my observation about jumping into packs while leaving his man to mop up the loose ball must be obvious to even you.
I have stated many times that Johnson gives 100% but is not up to it. Just because we won by 26 goals hasn't changed my opinion,when the heat is on he's not up to it.
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i was being sarcastic and it wasnt directed at you.
 

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For the whole night I reckon they hit targets inside 50 running through the midfield about 5 times.

Against a side that isn't pissweak they'll need to do better than that.
 
nananana catman said:
For the whole night I reckon they hit targets inside 50 running through the midfield about 5 times.

Against a side that isn't pissweak they'll need to do better than that.
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Geelong took 16 marks inside 50. I find it hard to believe that less than a third of them came from running through the midfield.
 

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