Rate the crows coaches

[screwpunt]

1. Blighty - a footy head, inovative, 2 premierships

2. Cornes - got the most out of a bunch of SANFL guys ( yet a total dick on radio with one son a stager and one son who is an obvious tosser

3. Ayres - on a hiding to nothing after 97/8 but liked his honesty, his teams were honest

4. Craig - a football scientist who played football with his shorts up his arse, his coaching resembled the direction of his shorts, no innovation, an absolute joke on match day, he introduced the crushers the backbone and the leadership team ( straight out of Harry Potter ) and he has Charlie Walsh prowling the sidelines looking like he in contributing

5. Robert Shaw, matey matey with Mcdermot and mcguiness, - a joke - when blighty got to the club he lanced a boil and the puss that come out was mcdermott and mcguiness and a jarman

 

[HugeJohnson]

Craig is better than Cornes and definitely better than Ayres. You're just a little upset, that's all .

 

[Riggy1]

1 - Craig - we was the brains behind 97/98, the Ellen move, the fitness base.

2 - Shaw - creating the premiership teams

3 - Blight - gets 3 by default

4 - Ayres - gets 4 by default

5 - Cornes - the fact that he couldn't make a grand final with the best the SANFL had to offer is a failure. West Coast could with a WAFL side, so we should of with a SANFL side.

 

[Crow-mo]

Craig is better than Cornes and definitely better than Ayres. You're just a little upset, that's all .

you must be 12 or an idiot. perhaps both.

Cornes was a very good coach.

argue over Ayres & Craig if you want.

 

[Larry the Liquidator]

Surely Blight would have to be first, for obvious reasons. His stay was short but sweet. I think he tarnished his coaching career when he went to St Kilda. Sacked after 6 rounds. He would have been better off retiring for good after he left the Crows. I liked Blight's coaching style, he was a little bit off tap with some of the things he tried, eg calling Pittman pathetic and forming a guard of honour for the Crows' players when he was coach of Geelong, but thsat was one of the things I liked about him, he was always willing to ntry something out of the ordinary to spark his team. He is one of those guys who, when you hear him commentate, comes across as having a very basic understanding of the game, unlike Mathews, but I'm sure in a one on one situation, what he has to say would be fascinating stuff.

Graham Cornes, as much as I hate him, I think he was a good coach. He took South Adelaide to the finals in his first or second year in 1984 as a player-coach, took Glenelg to 4 or 5 grands finals and when you think about it, was one half away from taking the Crows to the 1993 grand final. I don't think he ever got over that preliminary final loss. Plus throw in all his SOO wins and his resume stacks up very well. His Glenelg sides had a reputation for being tough during the mid 80s and I think that had a lot to do with his philosophy. Some of you may remember that a few of the Crows' players got offside with Cornes in 1994 because they thought he was too tough on them. What do his sons have to do with his coaching ability? Surely you didn't need to bring them into it.

I would then rate Neil Craig third. If you take away 1997 and 1998, I think the Crows have had the most sustained success as far as wins is concerned under Craig. Okay, no cigar, but you went very close against the Eagles in the prelim in 2006 I think. Let's not forget that Craig was the fitness coach when Blight was the senior coach. And if your memories are long enough, you will recall that it was the Crows' ability to run out games during the finals in 1997 and 1998 which helped them win those premierships, that along with Jarman's big ass and his great kicking for goal.

Then I would rate Ayres fourth. As a Port supporter, one of my memories of Ayres as the Crows' coach is the great run we had against the Crows during the Showdowns. I think at one stage it was 10-4 in Port's favour. Alot of those wins against the Crows came while Ayres was coach. So for that reason, I don't rate Ayres as highly as I do the other 3 I have already mentioned.

And finally, Shaw. Only had two years and had alot of problems with some of the senior players at the club at that time, namely A Jarman (especially A Jarman), McDermott and McGuiness. I think he had a tough time trying to instill a code of one rule for all with these guys, as they were all South Australian legends, and here was this Victorian, an ex Fitzroy coach from memory, coming in trying to set a new agenda. Blight didn't care about these name players. He came in and went through the club with a broom. They were all sent packing.

 

[ManInTheArena]

you must be 12 or an idiot. perhaps both.

Cornes was a very good coach.

argue over Ayres & Craig if you want.

I disagree, I think you just have the sad's because we are going real crap. My Order:

1. Blight - Can't argue with that
2. Craig - He was pretty revolutionary, could of snagged us a flag in 05 or 06
3. Cornes - Did ok with a bunch of SANFL guys
4. Ayres - Build a pretty good list
5. Shaw - Spud

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Spot on Larry

Agree with that.

Not bad really that there only one real dud coach on our list, and he at least played a role in developing some significant players.

 

[Crow-mo]

2. Craig - He was pretty revolutionary, could of snagged us a flag in 05 or 06
3. Cornes - Did ok with a bunch of SANFL guys

Cornes got closer than craig did under a lot more trying circumstances.

Craig just flogged a mature list he inherited to within an inch of its life, and still got nowhere. hasn't innovated anything since 2005.

and of course much of Cornses coaching kudos comes before the crows, where he also did pretty well.

its not even close imo.

there is SFA difference between Craig and Ayres, certainly not in terms of achievement and record.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

1. Blighty

2. Daylight

3. Craigy

4. Ayres

5. Cornes

6. Shaw

 

[bus24]

Great post, Larry.

Exactly how I see it too. Blighty, Cornes, Craig, Ayres, Shaw.

Craig has underachieved - and been found out at critical moments, but at least he's brought SOME really talented footballers into the club - and given them some experience. Arguably not enough.

Ayres just flogged the shit out of Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards and co. - never really got close to a flag, sent draft picks down the shitter - and left a list in really bad shape going forward.

Honestly, I think we've drafted very well of late, and we haven't been set back by the Ayres debacle as much as we could have been.

Some might disagree, but IMO Ayres was an utter disaster. In his favour is the fact he wasn't Robert Shaw.

 

[Crow-mo]

Ayres just flogged the shit out of Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards and co. - never really got close to a flag, sent draft picks down the shitter - and left a list in really bad shape going forward.

that's exactly the same as Craig. Ayres was as close in 2002 as Craig ever was, who also rode Goodwin, Mcleod, Edwards etc. the age of our team didn't change at all, when he took over for the first 2 years. their records are bloody similar, and neither made it further than a prelim.

Craig's development record isn't great either, check the first round picks pissed away and he still doesn't trust the younger guys.

 

[bus24]

that's exactly the same as Craig. Ayres was as close in 2002 as Craig ever was, who also rode Goodwin, Mcleod, Edwards etc. the age of our team didn't change at all, when he took over for the first 2 years. their records are bloody similar, and neither made it further than a prelim.

Craig's development record isn't great either, check the first round picks pissed away and he still doesn't trust the younger guys.

I'm not going to argue with most of that. Any of it, really.

I don't feel Craig does a very good job with younger players either - but I think we all agree there's plenty of young talent on the list now - when maybe there wasn't at the end of Ayres tenure.

How much of that is NC's doing is questionable, I suppose - but at least it's there.

Maybe the task is to now find a coach who is willing to develop that talent.

 

[WALL-e]

Blight - only out of success
Craig - hated and underated now by cry baby girly man's.

WALL-e's left nut

Cornes

WALL-e's right nut

Ayres
Shaw