Since 2006

[Delids]

Francis Jackson said today that he has been there since 2006.
Tomorrow nights team only has 9 players that he has drafted in the NATIONAL draft that are picked to play. Thats pretty ordinary for a side that is rebuilding. Out of the 9 players 4 were top 10 picks.
This guy has had the RFC board fooled for years, if this bloke had these results in the private business world he would of been sacked 3 years ago.
U can have your FTF - but money is getting thrown down the drain with this guy as our head recruiter.
Today's interview with Wallet confirmed my belief that he isnt up to it.

 

[Greggy]

Have you done some research on other recruiters and their strike rate? Would be good to know how he compares before judging his record. Have you included Conca, Ellis and Grimes? If you haven't, that's going to skew any numbers you're throwing around.

 

[Delids]

Have you done some research on other recruiters and their strike rate? Would be good to know how he compares before judging his record. Have you included Conca, Ellis and Grimes? If you haven't, that's going to skew any numbers you're throwing around.

His strike rate in National is lucky to be 50% & thats poor considering the high selections he has had. I didnt do reseach on Rookie or PSD drafts
I dont know if doing research will help his cause - we havent been good for a number of years - we have had early end of season trips

 

[Stylo]

FFS getting sick of these doomsday threads. Two weeks ago we were praising him for his exemplary 1st round picks.

 

[Delids]

2006 - Jack, Edwards, Connors, Pederson, Collins
2007 - Cotchin Rance Putt
2008 - TV, Post, Hislop,
2009- Martin, Griffiths, Astbury, Dea, T Taylor, Webborely, Nason, Nahas, A Browne
2010 - Conca, Batchelor, Helbig, D MacDonald, Derix, Gouridis
2011 - Ellis, Elton, Arnott
2012 - Vlastuin , McIntosh, McBean , Macdonough
I havent included PSD or Rookie, which will make it worse, Collard, Kingsley,Clingman, remember the cat Silvester...
Its cringe worthy reading some of the names C Howat Cartlege

 

[Delids]

Prasing him for nailing pick 2.. pick 4..
FJ is still yet to nail a draft.
We must set our standards pretty low if get excited that head recruiter is getting pick 2 or 4 right

 

[_RT_]

Riewoldt S.Edwards Cotchin Rance Vickery Martin Dea Batchelor & Vlastuin are playing tomorrow. Add in Conca Ellis & Grimes who should be in the lineup and that's over half the side from Jacksons recruiting. Then there is the likes of Astbury Griffiths Helbig O'Hanlon & Elton who have all played and it's close to a full side. Finally Arnot McBean McIntosh & McDonough gives us 21 that's pretty much a starting lineup recruited under Jacksons watch. For a bloke who hasn't had a full recruiting budget/team like the top teams recruiters have had that's a fair effort.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Is he in charge of trading too? If not then Cotchin, Rance and Scott Selwood would've been a very impressive draft from him.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Oh, and I came in here thinking it was going to be about how we're 5-4 for the first time since 2006.

 

[_RT_]

Prasing him for nailing pick 2.. pick 4..
FJ is still yet to nail a draft.
We must set our standards pretty low if get excited that head recruiter is getting pick 2 or 4 right

Outside Cotchin & Martin at picks 2 & 3 the rest of the list of picks by Jackson, that are still around are all pick 6 or higher as the following shows:

2006 - Jack pick 13, Edwards pick 26,
2007 - Cotchin pick 2 Rance pick 18 2008 - TV pick 9, 2009- Martin pick 3, Griffiths pick 19, Astbury pick 35, Dea pick 44, 2010 - Conca pick 6, Batchelor pick 30, Helbig pick 47, 2011 - Ellis pick 15, Elton pick 26, Arnott pick 55
2012 - Vlastuin pick 9 , McIntosh pick 31, McBean pick 33, Macdonough pick 42

But lets not let that get in the way of a good rant now.

I havent included PSD or Rookie, which will make it worse, Collard, Kingsley,Clingman, remember the cat Silvester...
Its cringe worthy reading some of the names C Howat Cartlege

King Grimes Houli Petterd & O'Hanlon are all quality PSD/rookie picks that we've taken under Jackson who make up for the misses that have occured that late in the draft pool. I mean anyone who is expecting players who are effectively the 100+ players taken in the drafts to all be stars is kidding themselves as it's just not going to happen.

 

[Bojangles17]

2006 - Jack, Edwards, Connors, Pederson, Collins
2007 - Cotchin Rance Putt
2008 - TV, Post, Hislop,
2009- Martin, Griffiths, Astbury, Dea, T Taylor, Webborely, Nason, Nahas, A Browne
2010 - Conca, Batchelor, Helbig, D MacDonald, Derix, Gouridis
2011 - Ellis, Elton, Arnott
2012 - Vlastuin , McIntosh, McBean , Macdonough
I havent included PSD or Rookie, which will make it worse, Collard, Kingsley,Clingman, remember the cat Silvester...
Its cringe worthy reading some of the names C Howat Cartlege

Im not sure im seeing your point from what i can see the only howlers are like over pick 60, with the balance of players still squarely in our plans, wait for me to grab some popcorn and coke whilst you get your shit together and tell us all who nails those ones e time, boy youve really done some homework

 

[Punt Road Tiger]

Since 2006 Jackson has hit with every 1st pick, ok not all have proven stars but all have time to or have already added value tO be traded if RFC decide to, more importantly he has recruited through 2 years when 40 odd elite juniors have been taken out of the system plus zoned restraints in GWS & Suns. Not only that until the FTF he has had no resources to help him. Obviously he has proven that he knows talent, until he came along it was a lottery with our 1st pick. Other Clubs have up to 6 full time recruiters, he has not wasted a 1st pick yet incredibly has done remarkably well. Now that the system is almost back to normal it will be his real test deeper in the draft, but if you take last year and 2011 then he may be ok.

2006,

Jack pick 13
Shane Edwards

2007
Cotchin
Alex Rance

2008
Vickory

2009 (2 more Full Time recruiters employed, Suns had best 12 year before) massive clean out Hardwick arrived
Martin
Griffiths (still has time)
Astbury ( Still had time)
Dea ( Still has time)
Troy Taylor ( Risk worth taking)

2010
Conca
Batchelor
Helbig

2011
Ellis & Morris (through trade ahead of f/s pick)
Todd Elton

2012

Vlastuin
MacIntosh
Mcbean
Mathew McDonough

If Francis Jackson was recruiting Instead of Greg Beck in 2004 than
we may still have 5 good players still playing in stead of Tambling, Myer, Paterson & Polo judging by his top 20 picks.

My point being he knows what player it takes to make it, with the right resources/support & a more even playing field we might be able to see how his 2nd to 4th round picks play out from now on including last year if it fails then he will face the blow torch.

 

[Punt Road Tiger]

His strike rate in National is lucky to be 50% & thats poor considering the high selections he has had. I didnt do reseach on Rookie or PSD drafts
I dont know if doing research will help his cause - we havent been good for a number of years - we have had early end of season trips

His 1st picks are a 100% so far as a strike rate.

 

[_DBF_]

2006 - Jack, Edwards, Connors, Pederson, Collins
2007 - Cotchin Rance Putt
2008 - TV, Post, Hislop,
2009- Martin, Griffiths, Astbury, Dea, T Taylor, Webborely, Nason, Nahas, A Browne
2010 - Conca, Batchelor, Helbig, D MacDonald, Derix, Gouridis
2011 - Ellis, Elton, Arnott
2012 - Vlastuin , McIntosh, McBean , Macdonough
I havent included PSD or Rookie, which will make it worse, Collard, Kingsley,Clingman, remember the cat Silvester...
Its cringe worthy reading some of the names C Howat Cartlege

2006 is an easy pass mark - Jack has won two Coleman's, Shane Edwards is our best goalsneak and has sublime skills in and around the stoppages and by hand. Connors had talent and until his last day showed us he could play, Andrew Collins was by no means a failure especially considering he was what? Pick #70odd?

2007 is again a pass - Cotchin is a 2x B&F, Brownlow runner-up, Rance is a very good defender, despite the criticism and Putt was admittedly a flunk.

2008 looks to be our worst season - I really like TV as a lead up forward (CHF to wing) and his ruckwork - statistically - is up there with the best in the comp and he is 22/23, Post could've been anything - not going to get in to any arguments re: ability, but clearly he wasn't interested - can't blame FJ for that. Hislop is vomittable.

2009 - our first 4 picks are all in and around the 22, TT had issues and was always going to be a gamble, looked promising in the 5 minutes of AFL i saw him play. Nahas and Browne were more than serviceable considering their position in the draft, as was Nason, Webberely the dud of this mob.

2010- Our first 3 picks are in and around the 22, the next 3 are jokes.

2011 - Looks to be a very good draft for us - at the moment.

2012 - I'm very confident of this draft also.

We may not have unearthed gems late on in the draft like some clubs. But we have had a very good success rate with most of our first to third round picks.

More than I can say for the knob in charge of the 05 draft.

 

[theflea]

Did you notice also that he said he was the ONLY f/t recruiter as well?

 

[WATiger86]

The 2009 and 2010 drafts will go along way to determining how far this side can push up the ladder over the next few years. First rounders are locks in our best 22 but we need Griffiths, Astbury, Dea, Batchelor & Helbig et al to start forcing their way in to really take the next step.

 

[tigs2010]

You have to remember the first 3 years were by himself. He had to cover an entire country of kids, plus mature agers all by himself with some help from a few volunteer scouts.

Riewoldt was passed over by 11 clubs from memory over 12 picks. But FJ nailed that. Edwards may not have been the best pick up in the 2nd round but he's a solid player and even better as a small forward.

2007 draft of Cotchin, Rance and Selwood like he wanted would have been amazing. FWIW he also identified Dangerfield as the best player outside of Cotchin/Kreuzer in that draft and was hoping he'd slide to 18 (Rance pick) Our other picks were outside 50.

2008 Vickery will be ok once he matures. Already had one good year. Post was a blunder and a half but he was dominating under 18's.

2009 we would have taken Martin over Scully. So easy to say we got it right purely because he was the last of the 3 left but I bet Melbourne wish they had FJ now. Griff and Astbury are 4th year talls who have had countless injuries. They'll be fine. Astbury should be playing and Griff will hit form if we leave him at FF. Dea can play and Grimes is a gun in the PSD. Not FJ's fault he's injured. Our shit picks came after 50.

2010 as per David King's article Conca is our 2nd most important midfielder behind Cotch. He's ahead of Deledio and Martin. Very underrated even by our own. Batchelor is solid. Personally would have taken Luke Parker because we needed midfielders and he was touted top 10. Nothing we can do now. Helbig I'm a fan of but needs to a) stay fit and b) play as a midfielder rather than back pocket at AFL level. MacDonald pick was a wtf pick but a speculative post-50 pick.

2011 Ellis is killing it from a pick 15. Elton will be good from 26 just needs time and for us to settle him up one end of the field. Arnot/O'Hanlon are speculative picks in a crap draft. Both have talent for the coaches to work with. Wait and see with them.

2012 Vlastuin, McBean and McDonough all look like being 200 gamers. McIntosh we'll wait and see and same with Cadeyn Williams who shows a bit at VFL level though may be injury prone like Griff.

A lot of those drafts are WAY too early to tell. Give FJ the McMahon pick and that would have been 1 nailed draft. (Cotch, Rance, Selwood) 2012 draft looks very good as well and we should end up with 3 very good players and possibly 4 but way too early at this stage with injuries etc a possibility. 2009 would have been our big draft if it wasn't for the injuries they have suffered. Griff, Astbury, Dea and Grimes have all suffered their fair share of injuries plus those of another couple of players.

 

[tigs2010]

Also, FJ didn't select Hislop. That was a TW special.

 

[Calcium Man]

Francis Jackson said today that he has been there since 2006.
Tomorrow nights team only has 9 players that he has drafted in the NATIONAL draft that are picked to play. Thats pretty ordinary for a side that is rebuilding. Out of the 9 players 4 were top 10 picks.
This guy has had the RFC board fooled for years, if this bloke had these results in the private business world he would of been sacked 3 years ago.
U can have your FTF - but money is getting thrown down the drain with this guy as our head recruiter.
Today's interview with Wallet confirmed my belief that he isnt up to it.

Geez i hate this rubbish. It all well and good to make sweeping statements but lets not back it up with research.

First i'm not sure where you get 9 from i get 11 - Rance, Cotchin, Martin, Edwards, Riewoldt, Morris, Vickery, King, Vlastuin, Dea and Batcherlor. Now maybe you didnt count King because he is a rookie and Morris because he was part of a trade but he was in SANFL and second tier leagues are the recruiters domain. This ignores Ellis, Conca and Grimes who are walk up best 22 players.

Now as i wrote in another thread getting your 1st round picks right is important and maybe we've got a few good picks for cotchin and Martin but there was a lot of junk around them, we could have grabbed masten or morton instead of cotchin and Scully, Trengove, Morabito (injuries) and possibly Butcher were all the options at pick 3 which we took martin. Here is what i wrote in the other thread about 1st round picks and it shows we have been close to the best

People saying Francis is doing it easy by getting the first pick right are under selling it. The first pick is still massively important and i dare say very few teams have out drafted us in first round picks since 2006. We have had some high picks which helps but not all.

Adelaide - 2006 Sellar, 2007 Dangerfield, 2008 Davis, 2009 Talia, 2010 Smith
Sellar is dud and at Melbourne and Davis is at GWS. Danger a star the others look solid prospects

Brisbane - 2006 Luenberger, 2007 Henderson, 2008 Rich, 2010 Polec and Karnezis, 2011 Longer and Docherty, 2012 Mayes and Paperone
Henderson is gone, Polec is struggling, I think Docherty will struggle too, Mayes looks a star and if Luenberger and Longer stay its a scary ruck line up.

Carlton - 2006 Gibbs, 2007 Kruezer, 2008 Yarran, 2009 Lucas, 2010 Watson, 2011 Bootsma, 2012 Menzel
Can't judge Mezel at all but Lucas, Watson and Bootsma all look below average (I havent seem a lot of Bootsma except the first two games this year, so still has time), Yarran is all over the place and Kruezer and Gibbs haven't exactly reached the heights on no. 1 picks. Kruezer has an injury excuse tho.

Collingwood 2006 Reid and Nath Brown, 2008 Sidebottom, 2012 Grundy, Kennedy and Broomhead
Pretty much nailed it since 2005 when you add Pendles and Thomas. But have traded away a lot of 1st round picks in the last few years.

Essendon - 2006 Gumbleton, 2007 Meyers, 2008 Hurley, 2009 Melksham, 2010 Heppell, 2011 kavanagh, 2012 Daniher (f/s)
Gumbleton always injured, Meyers and melksham i dont particularly rate but are playing, Hurley is a CHB but try tell that to Essendon. Still no real failures yet except Gumby.

Geelong - 2006 Selwood, 2007 Taylor, 2008 Mitch Brown, 2009 Menzel, 2010 Smedts and Guthrie, 2012 Thurlow
Awesome drafting as you'd expect especially considering most of these guys are picks in the mid teens. Mitch Brown the only problem with injury

Fremantle - 2007 Palmer, 2008 Hill, 2009 Morabito, 2010 Pitt, 2011 Sheridan and Croizer, 2012 Simpson
Palmer gone to GWS, Morabito on his 3rd or 4th Knee reco and poor Jayden Pitt looks like being forced to retire.

Hawthorn - 2006 Thorpe, 2007 Rioli, 2008 Schoemakers, 2010 Smith, 2012
Thorpe gone, Schoenmakers a joke (but seems to be improving) Smith and rioli pretty good.

Melbourne - 2006 Frawley, 2007 Morton and Grimes, 2008 Watts, 2009 Scully, trengove and gysberts, 2010 Cook, 2012 Toumpas
This is just horrible reading, I'd hate to be a Melbourne fan

North - 2006 Hansen, 2007 Tarrent, 2008 Ziebell, 2009 Cunnington, 2010 Atley, 2011 Mckenzie, 2012 Garner
Pretty solid drafting by North and why i think they are in a similar position as us rising up the ladder. Hansen the only question mark but he looks better back. Still lacks the star power of a Cotchin, Martin or Riewoldt.

Port -2006 Boak, 2007 Lobbe, 2008 Harlett, 2009 Butcher, Pittard and Moore, 2010 Jacobs, 2011 Wingard, 2012 Wines
Seems very good, Boak, Harlett, Butcher (struggling a bit this year but that patch where he kicked alot of goals shows what he can do), Wingard and wines all look super players. Moore and Lobbe solid and Pittard can play. Only Jacobs is gone.

Saints - 2006 Armitage, 2007 Mcevoy, 2008 Lynch, 2010 Cripps, 2011 Ross
Armitage finally came on, McEvoy is a sensation ruckman. Lynch and cripps are gone.

Sydney - 2006 O'Keefe, 2007 Veszpremi, 2008 Johnston, 2009 Rohan and Jetta, 2010 Lamb, 2012 Towers
O'Keefe, Veszpremi and Johnston are gone. Rohan unlucky with injury so far. Jetta the only real player but had a poor season. Others too little time to judge


WC - 2006 Brown, 2007 Ebert, 2008 NicNat, 2009 Shepperd, 2010 Gaff, 2011 Newman,
Brown cannot break into the side but is obviously rated. Ebert is gone and Shepperd is no good. Gaff and NicNat both look stars.

WB - 2006 Everitt, 2007 Grant, 2008, 2008 Cordy (f/s), 2009 Howard, 2010 Wallis (f/s), 2011 Clay Smith, 2012 Stringer, Macrae and hvorat
Everitt is gone, No idea how Grant is still on the list. Howard and Smith i dont rate very highly. Cordy is always injured and i dont think he is that good. Wallis and the newbies look good.

These all vs Riewoldt, Cotchin, Vickery, Martin, Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin. There are 3 definite stars in that group with Riewoldt, Cotch and Martin. Vlastuin I think could join that group. Ellis and Conca are both very good players but not quite in that top echelon. Vickery is the only maybe, his best is very good and his games against Melbourne and Carlton and his 2011 season show that.

I would say that Port have matched us (but have had 2 extra picks), North and Geelong havent made any real mistakes but haven't quite picked up the quality we have but still extremely good and Collingwood have picked up 3 great players but have traded away most of their 1st rounders.

Now as for later drafting i don't think he has been great but its a bit hard to judge a few later drafts, 2009 Griff, Dea and Astbury have all had a couple of season long injuries which sucks. 2010 Batch is in and out of the side and Helbig has had to long leg injuries. 2011 Elton and Arnot both look to have potential especially Elton. Bit hard to judge 2012 but McBean has looked special in the burgers and McDonough also looks like he could be a player with some patients.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Outside Cotchin & Martin at picks 2 & 3 the rest of the list of picks by Jackson, that are still around are all pick 6 or higher as the following shows:

2006 - Jack pick 13, Edwards pick 26,
2007 - Cotchin pick 2 Rance pick 18 2008 - TV pick 9, 2009- Martin pick 3, Griffiths pick 19, Astbury pick 35, Dea pick 44, 2010 - Conca pick 6, Batchelor pick 30, Helbig pick 47, 2011 - Ellis pick 15, Elton pick 26, Arnott pick 55
2012 - Vlastuin pick 9 , McIntosh pick 31, McBean pick 33, Macdonough pick 42

But lets not let that get in the way of a good rant now.



King Grimes Houli Petterd & O'Hanlon are all quality PSD/rookie picks that we've taken under Jackson who make up for the misses that have occured that late in the draft pool. I mean anyone who is expecting players who are effectively the 100+ players taken in the drafts to all be stars is kidding themselves as it's just not going to happen.

Grimes being the exception, we have not got one non top 20 pick in our best 22, possibly best 30. That is poor and a significant reason IMO why we are not comfortably in the top 4 ATM.
Houli, Pettard, Morris , Chaplin, Maric, Edwards and Grigg are all the work of Blair Hartley.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

You have to remember the first 3 years were by himself. He had to cover an entire country of kids, plus mature agers all by himself with some help from a few volunteer scouts.

Not quite right Tigs , I have very intimate knowledge of this which suggests Richmond's scouts outnumbered many/most other clubs, who clearly outperformed us at the draft at the table at that time.

 

[Gentlemen]

I think if Arnott can get his anger under control and O'Hanlon gets over his injuries 2011 could be a very, very good draft.

 

[Calcium Man]

Grimes being the exception, we have not got one non top 20 pick in our best 22, possibly best 30. That is poor and a significant reason IMO why we are not comfortably in the top 4 ATM.
Houli, Pettard, Morris , Chaplin, Maric, Edwards and Grigg are all the work of Blair Hartley.

Hartley is opposition analysis, the recruiters do second tier leagues so I'd say Morris is a Jackson pick. Jake King and Edwards are both picks later then 20 who are in our best 22 and I'd say Batchelor is in our top 25.

The problem isnt so much missing out on later picks, but I think our rookie drafts especially have been poor in Francis' tenure, its pretty well summed up in David Kings article in the Hun today. We are a lazy team when we don't have the ball, we lack and intensity and its why we can get run over in 10 minutes of football.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Hartley is opposition analysis, the recruiters do second tier leagues so I'd say Morris is a Jackson pick. Jake King and Edwards are both picks later then 20 who are in our best 22 and I'd say Batchelor is in our top 25.

The problem isnt so much missing out on later picks, but I think our rookie drafts especially have been poor in Francis' tenure, its pretty well summed up in David Kings article in the Hun today. We are a lazy team when we don't have the ball, we lack and intensity and its why we can get run over in 10 minutes of football.

Pretty sure it has been stated by RFC off previously , that Morris was the work of Hartley , Edwards I will grant although he was taken in 2006 only just after Jackson joined the club IIRC and had been previously identified ???
Batch would struggle to be in our best 25 .
Look through other lists and there post 20 picks clearly out do ours.
With the average time spand of a career you can't maintain a list , far less build a list without nailing 2-3 draft picks at least a year .

 

[Bojangles17]

Grimes being the exception, we have not got one non top 20 pick in our best 22, possibly best 30. That is poor and a significant reason IMO why we are not comfortably in the top 4 ATM.
Houli, Pettard, Morris , Chaplin, Maric, Edwards and Grigg are all the work of Blair Hartley.

I think your being pretty convenient with the facts there roar, griff astbury Dea are all senior players and in other environments would be playing ea week, we have depth in those posts, does that mean FJ ****ed up, or do we apply your same warped view to ess cocking up last years r1 pick coz joe daniher hasnt got a game yet...cant have it both ways mate, be objective