Tivva

[froars]

Good luck Tivva for tomorrow.
While you play for the Tiges I support you (unlike some of these dogs lol)
It's all above the shoulders, Tivs, because we know you can do better, and i'm sure you'll be hitting targets tomorrow for sure.
Looks like the coach supports you too by leaving you there to play on, so go out there and do it for him and stick it up your doubters

 

[Tigerland]

His confidence is obviously shot. Not surprised he's been left in as a game in Coburg wouldn't do much to boost his confidence.

My prediction is he'll miss more passes and make more mistakes but will also have a good game and kick 2 goals. He gets the ball a lot - he just has to learn not to turn it over.

 

[jackson_rules]

this will have to be his last chance from what wallace said last week and tivva will know that but for some reason i have a feeling he will play a much better game this week. i hope

 

[True Thylacine]

Anyone who has been a boss, supervisor or coach will tell you the easiest thing to do when things dont work out is sack someone. Trouble is you run the risk that the replacement definitely will be better. Eventually you run out of replacements and you concede a huge amount of local knowledge and spirit amongst your team members. The hard call is to work through issues with someone you are confident has the skills you need.

Not just average players like Tivva but the superstars go through bad patches as well, ask Greg Chappell. If I was a Richmond current or prospective star I'd like to know that I wouldnt be abandoned and disposed of during such times.

I too was frustrated as hell after last weeks effort by this bloke and have supported Tivva's dropping. However, in retrospect this sends a pretty good message to the rest of the team. Lets hope the boy responds and gives us 100 more games.

 

[IDGAF]

Good luck Tivva for tomorrow.
While you play for the Tiges I support you (unlike some of these dogs lol)
It's all above the shoulders, Tivs, because we know you can do better, and i'm sure you'll be hitting targets tomorrow for sure.
Looks like the coach supports you too by leaving you there to play on, so go out there and do it for him and stick it up your doubters

Do you have it on good authority that he reads BF Froars ?
LMAO @ Froars`s " ode to Tivva "

Whilst i`m extracting the urine , they are admirable sentiments . Your cup , this time , is no doubt half full .Whist most others are bone dry

I will be intersested to hear oxx`s ideas about your slant on Penelope Pitstop

 

[The Dice Man]

Anyone remember what happened after Joel Bowden was dropped to the two's, and how he's been since then?

 

[True Thylacine]

Anyone remember what happened after Joel Bowden was dropped to the two's, and how he's been since then?

Yep but its horses for courses, others might drop their bundle completely. Some you yell at, some you talk quietly one on one to etc etc. I dont know Tivendales personality at all so I just accept TW's judgement in that call.

 

[Tambo]

no doubt TDM. i thought he would have coppeed it the same as bowds last year. if he plays up this week i will be ********ed off if he doesnt get the drop. i say this because if he is making these sorts of mistakes all the time, he's going to think he can get away with the occasional mistakes , that not only turn the ball over but cost us goals.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

Anyone remember what happened after Joel Bowden was dropped to the two's, and how he's been since then?

Hate to state the obvious, but Danny Frawley was coaching last year. This year we have a REAL coach.

If anyone watched White Line Fever on Wednesday they will see why Greg Miller and Clinton Casey went head over heels for this man. He is pure class.

Numerous emails and SMS's came through questioning Tiva and TW just stood firm and said he was a true believer in coaching a player and working with them in their deficiencies rather than just sending the player back to the 2nds.

Bowdens situation last year was a knee jerked reaction by Frawley and now it is being looked upon as a 'great move'

 

[IDGAF]

Bowdens situation ...... knee jerked reaction ...Frawley .... 'great move'

Agreed , much truer to say it was a "great fluke"

 

[jezza]

CB7 I disagree, I think DF was too lenient and that it was a mistake that Bowden and Kellaway were practically the only senior players to be dropped when others were equally deserving. Last year players simply weren't made to earn their spots on the team, they could play as badly as they liked knowing they would be selected the following week regardless.

I agree with TW's approach of coaching a player through a bad patch, but there must be a point were defeat must be admitted and the player dropped. We have played 12 games this year and Tiv would have only have had a handful of decent performances.

The reasons Tiv is in the team this week are:

1. TW does not want to be seen to be bowing to media and fan pressure to drop a player

2. We are simply lacking replacements at the moment worthy of a spot. As much as the blokes in the senior team need to be justifying their position, anyone in the reserves must earn a promotion, not simply be handed it for mediocre VFL performances.

Hopefully after the break we will have had some more players back from injury and showing form at Coburg, we need pressure on the incumbant senior players.

 

[The Dice Man]

Hate to state the obvious, but Danny Frawley was coaching last year. This year we have a REAL coach.

If anyone watched White Line Fever on Wednesday they will see why Greg Miller and Clinton Casey went head over heels for this man. He is pure class.

Numerous emails and SMS's came through questioning Tiva and TW just stood firm and said he was a true believer in coaching a player and working with them in their deficiencies rather than just sending the player back to the 2nds.

Bowdens situation last year was a knee jerked reaction by Frawley and now it is being looked upon as a 'great move'

True and I'd be happy for all concerned if Tivva came out tomorrow night and had a blinder. Spud dropping Bowden was, I believe, his only good decision in his last 2 years as coach and if it can turnaround someone like Bowden who was underperforming and seeming to go at 50%, then it couldn't urt Tivendale either.

Tivva is soooo frustrating as when he is good, he is awesome to watch but it just seems like so long ago now since he had a game where he didn't consistently turn it over.

It's a shame Meyer was dropped in favour of Hilton, and Hyde chose to spend another week in the 2's.

 

[True Thylacine]

It's a shame Meyer was dropped in favour of Hilton, and Hyde chose to spend another week in the 2's.

Good point Dice. This may have more to do with the decision than at first glance. He would have been an obvious replacement. Nonetheless there is the possibility that Tivendale will turn it around and then we have 2 good players.

 

[oxx]

As schithouse as he is we have to get behind the little girl.

 

[The Dice Man]

Good point Dice. This may have more to do with the decision than at first glance. He would have been an obvious replacement. Nonetheless there is the possibility that Tivendale will turn it around and then we have 2 good players.

You'd think so wouldn't you? Didn't Hyde have 30-odd touches in a BOG performance for Coburg last week?

Cant wait till he's back. Same with Hartigan.

 

[froars]

Do you have it on good authority that he reads BF Froars ?
LMAO @ Froars`s " ode to Tivva "

When Tiv gets up to accept his 2005 Brownlow after a remarkable about face to his career, I know he will acknowledge this post.

Okay, maybe not lol

Anyone remember what happened after Joel Bowden was dropped to the two's, and how he's been since then?

I can't understand why he hasn't been dropped, but Tezza explained that he prefers to work with the player to overcome rather than just dropping them. And I'm wondering how long do you work with a player when it's been happening for a while now. In this case, if Tiv doesn't come up, the fault lies with the coach for not succeeding in eradicatiing his stuff ups.

I would have dropped him personally a few weeks back, and maybe by now he may have turned it around. Maybe the break will do him good - go fishing or something lol

 

[The Dice Man]

I also would've dropped him a few weeks back froars, most likely after the Collingwood game.

I think it's a good ideal what TW is doing re coaching them back into form and hopefully keeping the players confidence. But there would have to be some kind of cut off point.

There is no doubt that if Tivva played closer to his potential that he would be one of our most important players. Let's hope he can get near that soon.

 

[True Thylacine]

We all assume , of course, that Plough felt that in the required match ups for the Adelaide game, he had options if he dropped Tiv. I'm not that sure he did after Hyde made himself unavailable other than Meyer who is short of a gallop.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

I agree with TW's approach of coaching a player through a bad patch, but there must be a point were defeat must be admitted and the player dropped. We have played 12 games this year and Tiv would have only have had a handful of decent performances.

There is a point where defeat must be admitted, but as TW stated, go back to the WCE game and Tiva was a very handy contributor. In fact he almost won us the game. There is no point giving up on a player after 1 shocking performance ala DF.

1. TW does not want to be seen to be bowing to media and fan pressure to drop a player

And that is exactly what DF did last year. People were calling for Bowdens head so Frawley drops him. We had a coach that was practically run by the media last year. He bowed down to pressure and like i stated, made knee jerked decisions. TW won't take pressure and this is his way of saying, "I'm the coach, let me decide whats best for my team."

 

[froars]

And that is exactly what DF did last year. People were calling for Bowdens head so Frawley drops him. We had a coach that was practically run by the media last year. He bowed down to pressure and like i stated, made knee jerked decisions. TW won't take pressure and this is his way of saying, "I'm the coach, let me decide whats best for my team."

Certainly didn't hurt Bowden, and it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction - it was long overdue at the time. He won the B&F, so i don't think it was too detrimental to his career.

Also, where is the incentive for kids in the 2nds to try and compete for positions in the seniors if a player is given half a year to try and get his career back on track? If i was in the 2s, I would have zero confidence in getting a game.

As i said, while Tivva is playing, i support him - BUT where do you draw the line mucking around with a player's career? Great to have confidence in him that he will turn it around, but when he doesn't and his confidence is shot, the supporters are hanging it on him from every direction, i think it's time. More so for the player's benefit.

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

As i said, while Tivva is playing, i support him - BUT where do you draw the line mucking around with a player's career? Great to have confidence in him that he will turn it around, but when he doesn't and his confidence is shot, the supporters are hanging it on him from every direction, i think it's time. More so for the player's benefit.

Don't worry about his benefit froars. If I see any more of those kicks that dribble along the ground, I think I'll go insane.

Maybe Terry should bring out a tennis net to training, then every time Tivva doesn't kick it over he has to run another lap, or do a shot of tequila or whatever.

 

[itsintheblood]

Certainly didn't hurt Bowden, and it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction - it was long overdue at the time. He won the B&F, so i don't think it was too detrimental to his career.

Also, where is the incentive for kids in the 2nds to try and compete for positions in the seniors if a player is given half a year to try and get his career back on track? If i was in the 2s, I would have zero confidence in getting a game.

As i said, while Tivva is playing, i support him - BUT where do you draw the line mucking around with a player's career? Great to have confidence in him that he will turn it around, but when he doesn't and his confidence is shot, the supporters are hanging it on him from every direction, i think it's time. More so for the player's benefit.

He has engrained flaws in his game which are too easy for the opposition to exploit. A little like richo with his kicking. Some players just cant improve any more. Tivendale is one of them.

 

[IDGAF]

Also, where is the incentive for kids in the 2nds to try and compete for positions in the seniors if a player is given half a year to try and get his career back on track? If i was in the 2s, I would have zero confidence in getting a game.

Having played a lot of senior footy myself , i would say there is some truth in what you are saying there but you have to understand the reasons for it .

18 - 19 year olds can tend to think they know it all and should just be walk - up starts in many a senior side , not only in footy but life in general, but as anyone who knows the game will tell you , experience is one of the most critical ingredients in any player . It is one thing to have a mountain of ability but as we all know at punt rd. , harnessing it is a different story .

When i was 18 i used to run around in the twos and get the schits .... " why is that old fart getting a game ahead of me ?" etc. etc. . But what i didn`t realise until i hit about 23 - 24 was that old fart might not take the big specky or kick the 50 metre goals ... but what he did do was what the coach wanted him to do . He ran hard , he tackled , he kept his opponent down week in week out , he did his job .

Now, playing local footy , you don`t exactly get coached by masterminds so this was something you would pretty well have to learn yourself ... but this is where coaching at the elite level is absolutely "CRITICAL" . To get that raw 18 year old with a ton of raw ability and turn it into an AFL footballer is a tough gig . It`s about teaching , nurturing , guiding .

The Biggest , single most telling achilles heal that has been the downfall of the RFC over the last 20 years is for mine , the fact we have been the worst coached team over this period . Particularily over the last 10 years . We have criminally and habitually got young kids with ability , seen them come in and get thrown straight into the coal face , play a handfull of promising games , slap them on the back and tell them they are going to be stars , stick them on 3-4 year contracts worth 200-250 thousand and year and they think they have made it . They buy houses and drive around in flash cars whilst the rest of society at thier age ( and thier mates for that matter ) are still working for apprentice wages , working night jobs to get themselves through uni or are still on the rock and roll wondering what they are going to do with thier lives .They are bona-fide AFL players without any real idea what it genuinely takes . Then in thier second and third years they have A paul Licuria type player stuck on them to give them a touch up and they get caned , mentally r*ped as they have not been prepared for the true rigors of AFL footy , and then slowly drift off into oblivion .

The Richmond Football Club are guilty as charged on all counts as the worst offender in the AFL of these mindsets .

This is what Miller and Wallace are setting about from the ground up to change about us .

Wallace`s job is to teach these kids about what it takes to succeed , about the work that has to be done , about long term goals . If he does his job properly , and i have every faith that he will , the Dean Polo`s and the Danny Meyers will not be running around in the Magoo`s thinking " Why aren`t i getting a game ahead of that dud Tivendale " .... they will understand what is required of them and know the direction they are heading in . They will know that they need to earn the respect of the coaching staff and the older brigade . They will understand the level of fitness that they need . They will know that they have to build thier bodies up .

Having rambled on with all this shyte , i don`t quite know how this relates to Greg Tivendale . Because like most of you i think it is time he had a little holiday . But all i can say is TW knows what he is doing and we must respect that and accept what he does as what is best for the RFC.

 

[Croat tiger]

dudendale is a cancer and like all cancers you've got to get rid of it asap
otherwise it will enventually kill you,need i say more?.

 

[The Dice Man]

Our supporters themselves can be the biggest cancers.