Tradeable & Our Deficiencies

BigCat1 · Jul 29, 2003

Which of our players do you think the cats should put up for a possible trade given the right player. I'm not talking about the obvious ones like Clarke and Street, I'm talking about the ones that we would be sad to see go but for the best interest of the football club and its future success maybe have to. You need to trade quality to get quality and our list at the moment has some obvious flaws.

My list would include

D. Milburn
J. Bartel
K. Kingsley
D. Wojincsji
J. Hunt
M. McCarty
D. Spriggs
C. Mooney

Not saying that we should trade any of these but I think they should be used as bait. That brings us to the areas that we need to improve in to be a top side. We all know we need
A) two key forwards (a la Brown/Lynch, Cornes/Tredrea, Tarrent/Rocca, Hall/O'Loughlan, Carey/Stevens) but I also think we need
B) some flair in the backline (a la C Johnson, Wanga, Wirrapunda, Hart)
C) a crumbing forward (eg Power, Matera, Farmer, Davis, John****, Didak) and
D) an expeirenced silky skillful midfielder to complement our youth in there.
The top sides seem to have these areas well covered as shown above. We have a solid backline, a young hard working midfield and a good ruckman. We also have the medium height forwards/ Utilities covered ( Johnson, Gardnier and Mackie).

What other players don't you mind trading? Also where do you think our deficiencies in team structure lie?

JUBJUB · Jul 29, 2003

Originally posted by BigCat1

My list would include

D. Milburn
J. Bartel
K. Kingsley
D. Wojincsji
J. Hunt
M. McCarty
D. Spriggs
C. Mooney

I agree with most of those,but I think Gumby and Spriggs should be kept.

Fall Out Boy · Jul 29, 2003

If Gumby is considered untradeable, we are far worse off then i thought.

Unwritten_Law · Jul 29, 2003

Is Charlie G still alive? did he sign with the others? I haven't heard anything about him all year.

JUBJUB · Jul 29, 2003

Originally posted by Unwritten_Law
Is Charlie G still alive? did he sign with the others? I haven't heard anything about him all year.

He was emergency this week,despite not doing much in the VFL game the week before.

He didn't sign with the others,but I doubt he'll be traded.

ScouseCat · Jul 30, 2003

Originally posted by BigCat1
Also where do you think our deficiencies in team structure lie?

We haven't got anyone decent who can play centre half forward and provide a target to kick to, hence our players stuff around with the ball and kick short. Graham and Mooney have been tried in this position, but aren't consistent enough to hold down this spot long term.

We also struggle at full forward, hence playing Kingsley, (who is at best a 3rd key forward option) in that role.

I think our small and medium sized forwards are good enough, they just don't get enough opportunities as our key forwards aren't capable of at least bringing the ball to ground for them to rove. Give them a couple of quality marking forwards to work with, and you'll start to see the likes of Ablett, Chapman, Steve Johnson and co. kick more goals.

Our defence is pretty good in my opinion. We have players in both VFL and AFL who could step up and play a role down back, hence this is one of our strengths at the moment.

Our rucks are fine and our midfield is young and has potential. I hate using that "P" word, but I think we have the nucleus of a good midfield, we just need to make sure they stay together at our club. (note to GFC - get Bartel signed up!)

Falconer02 · Jul 30, 2003

The peope i would like to trade would be
Ben Graham
Darren Milburn
Peter Street
Sanderson

Also i know we wont trade scarlett and i dont want to but i would be interested to see who we would get for him

Fall Out Boy · Jul 31, 2003

Why on earth would you want to trade Sando?

In the past 8 weeks, he's averaged 21 touches and more then 8 marks.

DonAce · Jul 31, 2003

Hey guys, sorry to intrude, but what would be the sort of thing you'd want from the Bombers for Bartel?

BigCat1 · Jul 31, 2003

Re: Re: Tradeable & Our Deficiencies

Originally posted by ScouseCat
I think our small and medium sized forwards are good enough, they just don't get enough opportunities as our key forwards aren't capable of at least bringing the ball to ground for them to rove. Give them a couple of quality marking forwards to work with, and you'll start to see the likes of Ablett, Chapman, Steve Johnson and co. kick more goals.

Our defence is pretty good in my opinion. We have players in both VFL and AFL who could step up and play a role down back, hence this is one of our strengths at the moment.

Scouse Im not to sure if we do have the small forwards covered. We certainly have the talant in the medium sized forwards like Johnson, Mackie and Gardnier but who are our small forwards? I see GAJ and Chapman being more midfielders who will rest in the forward line. Not as forwards who have the occasional burst in the midfield. We need them to be good midfielders. As I pointed out the top six teams have set small forwards that are always dangerous. The only player that fits that mould for us is Lord.

Agreed our defence is pretty good but who provides that spark, that rebound to set up the fast breaks and turn defence into attack. Our closest player would probably be Enright. One of our problems, IMO and all my mates, is that we dont move the ball quick enough from defence to attack. We play a wide kick mark sort of game plan that allows sides to flood back and clog our forward line. I actually feel sorry for some of the forwards in our team at times. We need some players on the half back line that will run the footy and use it well. A player like Wirrapunda or a kid that caught my eye in the under 18's - Peel.

BigCat1 · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by DonAce
Hey guys, sorry to intrude, but what would be the sort of thing you'd want from the Bombers for Bartel?

We would want Lucas. We would be reluctant to give up our early pick so what else to you need. Pace in the midfield or a ruckman as barnes said on FOX league teams last week

Maybe Bartel, Wojincski and Street (Barnsey loves him)
or Bartel and Kingsley

I dont know what Ess need. As I said the only player we would trade for is Lucas.

Baldy#9 · Jul 31, 2003

Personally I don't see the point in them trading Dasher. The back 6 are one of the best going around and they are all comfortable with each other now after being together for 3 or 4 years.

Just don't see the point in unsettling it all now and I think that Dasher is a very important and underated part of our backline.

I will be mighty ****ed off if they trade him.

ScouseCat · Jul 31, 2003

Re: Re: Re: Tradeable & Our Deficiencies

Originally posted by BigCat1
Scouse Im not to sure if we do have the small forwards covered. We certainly have the talant in the medium sized forwards like Johnson, Mackie and Gardnier but who are our small forwards? I see GAJ and Chapman being more midfielders who will rest in the forward line. Not as forwards who have the occasional burst in the midfield. We need them to be good midfielders. As I pointed out the top six teams have set small forwards that are always dangerous. The only player that fits that mould for us is Lord.

Peter Riccardi is another player who will be used more and more up forward as he nears the end of his career, could play that specialist small forward role.

Aaron Lord was good value as the 38th player on our list last year, however we wont get anywhere if he continues to get a game ahead of a young player.

Originally posted by BigCat1
Agreed our defence is pretty good but who provides that spark, that rebound to set up the fast breaks and turn defence into attack. Our closest player would probably be Enright. One of our problems, IMO and all my mates, is that we dont move the ball quick enough from defence to attack. We play a wide kick mark sort of game plan that allows sides to flood back and clog our forward line. I actually feel sorry for some of the forwards in our team at times. We need some players on the half back line that will run the footy and use it well. A player like Wirrapunda or a kid that caught my eye in the under 18's - Peel.

David Wojcinski can provide that spark coming out of defence, but we have to give him a licence to use that speed and run through the lines.

Corey Enright, Josh Hunt, Tim Callan and David Johnson also represent the future for us in this area, and eventually will replace Sanderson and Milburn.

OldSchool · Aug 3, 2003

What would Cats fans consider fair trades with the Doggies for
Kingsley, Graham or Bartel ?
We probably have either an early 2nd or 3rd round draft selection and a few players like Alvey, Bowden and maybe Brown or Giansiracusa available.

Kingsley's trade value must be down after such a poor season but I think the Dogs would like to get hold of a key forward.

Fall Out Boy · Aug 3, 2003

Kingsley: 3rd round pick
Graham: Guido
Bartel: 2nd round pick

Graham wouldn't leave anyway, not only could the Dogs not afford him, but if Geelong gave him the boot, he'd go the the States.

OldSchool · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Kingsley: 3rd round pick
Graham: Guido
Bartel: 2nd round pick

Graham wouldn't leave anyway, not only could the Dogs not afford him, but if Geelong gave him the boot, he'd go the the States.

I reckon Kingsley for a 3rd round pick is fair and it would be a trade that I would do.

Fall Out Boy · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by OldSchool
I reckon Kingsley for a 3rd round pick is fair and it would be a trade that I would do.

Could be a good player for the Doggies, but his time is up at Geelong.

Whilst he averages more than 2 goals a game for us, we are better off going with McCarthy and H.

OldSchool · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Could be a good player for the Doggies, but his time is up at Geelong.

Whilst he averages more than 2 goals a game for us, we are better off going with McCarthy and H.

Two goals a game would just about be good enough for us especially giving up a 3rd round pick to get it. It might be one of those rare win/win trades

Fall Out Boy · Aug 3, 2003

With our third round pick already gone on Blake (who played VFL yesterday, incidentally), getting a replacement from the Doggies would be excellent.

If KK can kick over 2 goals a game for us, he most certainly can do with your midfield.

The Doctor · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Bartel: 2nd round pick

Unless we could secure a genuine KP with that pick I would do that deal.

Fall Out Boy · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by The Doctor
Unless we could secure a genuine KP with that pick I would do that deal.

Don't want to dissuade you, but i don't think Jimmy would be a good fit with your lot.

You've already got more than enough unaccountable, but gifted, footballers.

The reason Jimmy has been left out so often is because he simply refuses to even go near his opponent.

No doubting his potential, and no disrespect, but i can't see how Rohde and your midfielders could turn him around.

In a good team his style might work, but at either of our clubs he can't do it successfully.

The Doctor · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Don't want to dissuade you, but i don't think Jimmy would be a good fit with your lot.

You've already got more than enough unaccountable, but gifted, footballers.

The reason Jimmy has been left out so often is because he simply refuses to even go near his opponent.

No doubting his potential, and no disrespect, but i can't see how Rohde and your midfielders could turn him around.

In a good team his style might work, but at either of our clubs he can't do it successfully.

You would see him and pay closer attention to his game than I do and I respect this opinion. However, one of his strengths, and a prime reason we would have an interest in him, is that he has the ability to win the ball. We actually don't have too many of those and a couple we do have are ageing (West and Dimma).

Most of our other midfielders are fast and slick runners who wait for the easy ball and are also unaccountable!

Seb · Aug 4, 2003

IMO, Kingsley is worth a second round draft pick...

A third-round for Kent Kingsley would be an absolute steal for any team.

BigCat1 · Aug 4, 2003

I agree with Shaitan

Kingsley has his problems but the bottom line is he is still fairly young and he does kick goals. In a forward line with Grant and maybe Brown I think he would be excellent value. KPP have a much higher trade value than midfielders.

Fall Out Boy · Aug 4, 2003

Originally posted by BigCat1
KPP have a much higher trade value than midfielders.

Problem is, Kent isn't a true KPP. He's a flanker/forward pocket, and i think most clubs would realise that now.

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