Worst umpiring decisions

[Fossie 32]

I reckon that one against Baker for shepherding the goal through was one of the worst I've seen. Can't recall seeing it paid before. And of course it killed our chance of pulling a rabbit out of the hat.
Another crazy one was when Johnno was knocked out and a free paid against him for holding the ball.
Then the cluster**** of frees v the Saints in that 2009 final - Captain Collapse dive, Hargrave's incorrect disposal when he kicked the ball when tackled and Acker's deliberate OOB when he kicked it about 50 m down field and it ended up bouncing sideways over the boundary.

 

[Mofra]

Let's not forget a certain blind goal umpire

 

[Dogs Rule]

This. Not a Dogs game but Friday's shepherding decision was very close.



Shame we have a bunch of yes men and women as commentators these days too afraid to hop off the gravy train and actually call out cheating.

 

[dogwatch]

Every club cops them from time to time. Our experience is probably on a par with most.

The ones that hurt are those that arguably were responsible for ending a club's season. In our case the 1997 Libba Sr shot at goal and the Riewoldt dive in 2099 come to mind.

 

[Fossie 32]

This. Not a Dogs game but Friday's shepherding decision was very close.



Shame we have a bunch of yes men and women as commentators these days too afraid to hop off the gravy train and actually call out cheating.

Wowee when the commentators go that strong on it, it's gotta be bad

 

[dogwatch]

This. Not a Dogs game but Friday's shepherding decision was very close.



Shame we have a bunch of yes men and women as commentators these days too afraid to hop off the gravy train and actually call out cheating.

Evidence of cheating please.

We've all made casual wisecracks in the outer about umpires being paid off but surely you don't seriously believe there is systemic cheating?

If it's a choice between conspiracy or incompetence, back incompetence every time (a variation of Hanlon's Razor)

 

[Fossie 32]

Let's not forget a certain blind goal umpire

 

[Dogs Rule]

Evidence of cheating please.

We've all made casual wisecracks in the outer about umpires being paid off but surely you don't seriously believe there is systemic cheating?

If it's a choice between conspiracy or incompetence, back incompetence every time (a variation of Hanlon's Razor)

Fair point, but some of them are so far off the mark it's becomes difficult not think it's more than just incompetence.

 

[Fossie 32]

Evidence of cheating please.

We've all made casual wisecracks in the outer about umpires being paid off but surely you don't seriously believe there is systemic cheating?

If it's a choice between conspiracy or incompetence, back incompetence every time (a variation of Hanlon's Razor)

I never call umps cheats but that example could qualify under the definition

- To ..... 'act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.'

Not systemic cheating I would hope but allowing themselves to be influenced by the crowd whatever so they are not making correct, impartial, 'fair' decisions

 

[dogwatch]

Fair point, but some of them are so far off the mark it's becomes difficult not think it's more than just incompetence.

Yes it's human nature to assume malice. Hence things like witch-burning ... and certain umpiring threads on the main board.

 

[dogwatch]

I never call umps cheats but that example could qualify under the definition

- To ..... 'act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.'

Not systemic cheating I would hope but allowing themselves to be influenced by the crowd whatever so they are not making correct, impartial, 'fair' decisions

Being influenced by the crowd isn't cheating unless there was a conscious choice to go against what you believe is the right decision. I doubt this happens very much, if at all.

The well-documented home ground advantage in FKs is much more likely explained by subconscious processes. So is the levelling-up phenomenon that we often see in footy (and other sports). The more vocal and feral the crowd the more likely it is to occur.

 

[The Inbetweener]

The dive by Riewoldt in the 09 prelim was bad. You just can’t pay those in big finals.

The one against Baker is shocking by the sheer fact it would happen 400 times per season and I’ve never seen it paid.

 

[_STREET_]

Nothing comes close to the robbery in 09

The baker one was bad, but he clearly takes his eye off the ball and looks at the man

 

[flamethrower]

Most* umpires are humans - they make mistakes. Umpire Williamson made a few on Friday night - including the Oscar Baker shepherding free kick where the ball was clearly within 5 metres - but he is generally a good umpire and would have made fewer mistakes that most players do.

There are umpires that appear to be incompetent (eg Razor Ray) but it usually our own self bias followed by confirmation bias that clouds these decisions. Having commentators that don't know the rules and add their incorrect opinions doesn't help. The protected zone rules are an excellent example of this. I looked up the AFL Laws of the Game 2023 and it was very educational.

When it comes to an umpire cheating, or clearly favouring one side over another, unfortunately I have seen this in junior football and it is very obvious. It happens when the league doesn't supply field umpires and the clubs have to supply umpires. Some club umpires cannot help themselves but only pay free kicks to their team.

(*The jury is still out on MLB umpire Angel Hernandez - google him if you would like a laugh at how many mistakes one umpire can make).

 

[flamethrower]

Nothing comes close to the robbery in 09

The baker one was bad, but he clearly takes his eye off the ball and looks at the man

Irrelevant as it is a shepherd and not a marking contest.

From the 2023 AFL Laws of the Game:

 

[Fossie 32]

Being influenced by the crowd isn't cheating unless there was a conscious choice to go against what you believe is the right decision. I doubt this happens very much, if at all.

The well-documented home ground advantage in FKs is much more likely explained by subconscious processes. So is the levelling-up phenomenon that we often see in footy (and other sports). The more vocal and feral the crowd the more likely it is to occur.

Unless subconscious cheating is a thing .......

 

[ossie_21]

Umpire Williamson made a few on Friday night - including the Oscar Baker shepherding free kick where the ball was clearly within 5 metres - but he is generally a good umpire and would have made fewer mistakes that most players do.

 

[grassman75]

Evidence of cheating please.

We've all made casual wisecracks in the outer about umpires being paid off but surely you don't seriously believe there is systemic cheating?

If it's a choice between conspiracy or incompetence, back incompetence every time (a variation of Hanlon's Razor)

I know of a dog's player who was cheated out of Brownlow and it wasn't Grant.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Didn’t think the Weightman shepherd was that bad of a decision.

 

[dogwatch]

I know of a dog's player who was cheated out of Brownlow and it wasn't Grant.

Ahhh, Brownlow voting is a whole different topic. I took this thread to be about poor umpiring decisions which are in-match.

I'm not saying cheating does or doesn't occur in Brownlow voting. I wouldn't know, but it seems that it would be almost as open to rorting as the other voting awards such as Rising Star etc (and we've seen what happens there). It is done after the game, out of sight of the public and does not require an observable response to something that happened a split second ago.

 

[ossie_21]

Didn’t think the Weightman shepherd was that bad of a decision.

It was more a push in the back instead of a shepherd, bad timing as he’d just jumped so it looked a lot worse. It’s just you hardly ever see them and Port got every rub of the green imaginable throughout the game that made it even worse for us.

I see Port fans point to the free kick count that they only got 1 more than us. I refuse to watch it, but I think we got about 5 free kicks in the last few minutes that really evened it up. Naughton for a hold when he marked it anyway and Williams after disposal were 2 of them.

It wasn’t even the count though, it’s everything they missed for us and everything they got as a result, like Rioli dragging Duryea to the ground and JHF getting the resulting goal that ended it late, or early 2nd quarter Powell-Pepper getting up laughing that he’d conned a free kick in the pocket that he nearly goaled from. Or worst of all, Naughton & Lobb being held at every contest and never called until the late one when it no longer mattered

 

[Cookie]

I know of a dog's player who was cheated out of Brownlow and it wasn't Grant.

Yep.

Was best on the ground by a mile, kicked 6 goals, got reported so he received no votes by the umpire, went to tribunal and charge was dismissed, runner up in Brownlow by one vote.

And they say umpires don't cheat.

BS!

 

[grassman75]

I reckon I'm thinking of another one

 

[_Mike_]

Nek minut,

Ian Collins elected as temporary CEO of the AFL, suspends Bont for that bump then relinquishes control back to Gillon

 

[_Mike_]

Report: AFL umpire entangled in illegal Brownlow betting named

He was one of four people arrested earlier on Monday.

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