blue gunslinger
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R Lyon is not going to have many friends
Harvey gone
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If we win a flag under his management I'll invite him over to my place for a beer and BBQ.
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Not sold on this at all.
Harvey had the worst injury list in our history, not sure what else he could have really done.
His recruiting has set our club up for the next 5 years at least, something we never had in the past.
What exactly did Lyon add to the Saints that most decent football supporters couldn't see was already there? Left them in shambles I know that much.
What are the chances now we hang onto our first draft pick?
Harvey had the worst injury list in our history, not sure what else he could have really done.
His recruiting has set our club up for the next 5 years at least, something we never had in the past.
What exactly did Lyon add to the Saints that most decent football supporters couldn't see was already there? Left them in shambles I know that much.
What are the chances now we hang onto our first draft pick?
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Clay Davis.
Ballsy move by us - unlucky for Harvs but in the best interests of the club. I think for once we got it right...only time will tell.
Probably say he is comming, then just go to Wooshas house for a bbq. Before taking his job at West Coast.
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Except that we are making Ross the highest paid coach in the AFL. We still need a good assistant. I say now that if they ruin our exciting game style I will start taking names.
Not worked them into the ground causing injuries for a start?
The Longs had told me the players were not happy about this, not happy about being berated for being sore.
He dug his own grave, well and truly.
Feels good to be able to say this.
We may be getting a St Kilda assistant out of this.
In Hagdorn's article he says that Harvey had made 'discrete enquiries' about coaching in Melbourne and that Lyon's management approach Freo about coaching if Harvey left?
Admittedly will be taken with a pinch of salt due to it being a Hagdorn article!
Admittedly will be taken with a pinch of salt due to it being a Hagdorn article!
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I am really excited by this, I truly didn't think the club had the balls or insight to do something of this magnitude. Lyon deserves every $ the club is paying him.
All the best in the future harves.
All the best in the future harves.
Cousin Ben
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Don't want to sound like I'm picking over the carcass, but would you guys recommend Harvs as our next coach over this way?
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Hackdorn is talking crap again, Harves and Lyon have the same Management company.
Lyon brokered this deal on his own.
Very smart cookie
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No. All these contracts are pretty well boilerplate and mandated by the AFL. To be an AFL accredited agent you must use their "boilerplate" contracts.
There would have to be some flexibility to protect the clubs (but more likely the AFL "brand") so that there aren't crippling damages or endless legal stoushes, a-la the Grant Thomas saga.
I am truly shocked to wake up and see what transpired hours ago. I am beginning to feel excited about 2012 again, whereas I didn't have that hope before.
Yes, it seems cruel to Harvey. But he will still get paid out, and he might have been sacked after 2012 anyway. Football is a business, sometimes you have to make ruthless decisions. The facts are Harvey has not proved himself to be that good. There wasn't much semblance of a decent gameplan this year, and if he is to blame for the atrocious injury toll (which was NOT bad luck), then he simply had to go. I don't think it will upset the playing group, as they didn't appear to really be playing for the coach. Players get over these things pretty quickly.
I said a month or so ago in those coaching threads that we might have to be pro-active when thinking about our senior coach. We could wait a year (which would have been understandable), but found ourselves in the same position of having a horrible injury count and an underperforming side and needing to give Harvey his marching orders. Only problem with that is so many other clubs would have changed coaches that we could have been left with nothing much to choose from. I am really surprised the club has gone on the front foot about this, but I am also going to back this decision as the right thing to do.
Yes, it seems cruel to Harvey. But he will still get paid out, and he might have been sacked after 2012 anyway. Football is a business, sometimes you have to make ruthless decisions. The facts are Harvey has not proved himself to be that good. There wasn't much semblance of a decent gameplan this year, and if he is to blame for the atrocious injury toll (which was NOT bad luck), then he simply had to go. I don't think it will upset the playing group, as they didn't appear to really be playing for the coach. Players get over these things pretty quickly.
I said a month or so ago in those coaching threads that we might have to be pro-active when thinking about our senior coach. We could wait a year (which would have been understandable), but found ourselves in the same position of having a horrible injury count and an underperforming side and needing to give Harvey his marching orders. Only problem with that is so many other clubs would have changed coaches that we could have been left with nothing much to choose from. I am really surprised the club has gone on the front foot about this, but I am also going to back this decision as the right thing to do.
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crikey expectations much? You finished 11th this year.
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Nice guys finish last. Thank you very much for your time at the club Mark.
I didn't think the FFC had it in them to ruthlessly pursue excellence within the footy department. Whether Lyon is that 'excellence' and if the club made the right move only time will tell.
I didn't think the FFC had it in them to ruthlessly pursue excellence within the footy department. Whether Lyon is that 'excellence' and if the club made the right move only time will tell.
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You should be so lucky, Dogs on fire if Harvey comes to town, he knows the type of player to draft and get the best from them. Bonus for the Doggies
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I'll give you Ballantyne, Pavlich and Hill, had niggling injuries that required time. Conolly was the worst for this though, he ruined many of our players.
The others were clearly game day mishaps that was out of his control.
Clearly people who know more about football than I do have made the decision, so we need faith.
However if I see our first draft pick traded and or our club start playing football like the Saints have in recent history I'll be furious.
At the kind of money they're throwing at him, surely a crack at Malthouse may have been worth a shot as well.
That's the mistake many peoplee make Sabre, do you think Harv's was watching the VFL each week and spotted Barlow and Silvagni? Or that it was his idea to pick Fyfe at pick 20? Lloyd and Bond handle recruitment/drafting.
As I said previously Harvey's impact on list management since arrival has been Kepler Bradley, Mark Johnson, Solomon, McPhee and possibly Jack Anthony. Not exactly a longterm view there.
Again, the senior coach doesn't have a lot of involvement in list management. Having late picks in compromised drafts doesn't help either.
The same was said when Harvey took over from Connolly, that all the ingredients were there for success and we finished 14th then 14th his first two years.
