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Leigh Matthews says Frawley is not in the TOP 100 players in the AFL.
I'd say that may be the kiss of death!
I'd say that may be the kiss of death!
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Leigh Matthews once said that Hawthorn couldn't win the 2008 premiership, how did that go again....just because you're a club legend doesn't make you the be all and end all of everything football.Leigh Matthews says Frawley is not in the TOP 100 players in the AFL.
I'd say that may be the kiss of death!
We'd recruit him to fill a need, no other reasonLeigh Matthews says Frawley is not in the TOP 100 players in the AFL.
I'd say that may be the kiss of death!
We'd recruit him to fill a need, no other reason
Who cares what Leigh Matthews says? (Besides Leigh!)
He's played for 7 yearsI have 2 problems with Frawley:
1. His kicking is average
2. He's played a full season in the forward line. At the Demons, it means he doesn't see the ball very much, and he doesn't do much defending. Who knows how he will go if we recruit him and play him deep in defence? After a full season as a forward, is he going to be a decent defender?
And Lethal Leigh is always right!
Let's not forget Lake's kicking is average too, but he was recruited to play on the gorillas, and that's turned out pretty good so far!
I've heard second hand we are right into him as well. Hard to know what to believe
He is a much better defender than bothCant see how frawley is an improvement over shoe or spang even without the exhorbitant salary
He is a much better defender than both
Wow, can't believe the scepticism on here. People are acting as if we have two genuine gun kpd to take us through the next 10 years. The reality is we don't, not even close. If we landed Frawley, he would instantly be our best kp defensive stopper and it would cost nothing to get him across, apart from a wage of course.
Schoey and Spang are a short term fix in my eyes, not a long term solution. Lake will be lucky to play out another full year and although gibbo is an absolute champ, at 189cm he is out of his depth playing on blokes standing at 196cm and above. Not to mention, he is 30.
We are still light on in this area and they don't grow on trees so I'm not sure why certain people think only a Harry Taylor the 2nd would be more valuable than what we already have.
This is true, just Frawley isn't as good as he thinks he is.
Well really we should be looking for a harry taylor not more depth which we have plenty of. Theres the salary component too. If we get a frawley and the debate lingers, its less money for a red hot midfielder to boot
Sorry for the intrusion fellas,
I had a quick read in a few of the Hawthorn threads and noticed a lot of negativity towards Shoenmakers.
Prior to Shoenmakers injury I was really impressed by how much he had improved as a defender, I can remember him comfortably beating Hawkins and many other key forwards in 2012, while also providing some quality rebound.
I genuinely believed Shoenmakers would develop into a dominant CHB / FB type player once he returned from injury. ACL's take a long time to recovery both mentally and physically, it also doesn't help that he''s been moved from back to forward. If a Geelong supporter has faith that Shoenmakers will become a gun, then so should you guys. Just my thoughts.
Also, he was impressive at AFL Draft Camp, with the top ranking in the repeat sprints and in the top six in both the 20m sprint (2.90 sec) which suggests the extra muscle he put on while injured has slowed him down significantly.
I was at a lunch today with a Melbourne insider.
Frawley has been given an offer by Geelong only.
Hawthorn not interested because of footskills.
The thing about Frawley is we would get him for free (ie no draft picks or players need to be traded) if for arguments sake you said he is about the same standard as Shoe, you can then trade Shoe for something good. So in effect it would be an arbitrage (apart from the fact you would have to pay JF more than Shoe).
You replace like for like (arguably an upgrade) and maybe get something good in return for the Shoe.
Its a very cold hearted approach and probably not the Hawthorn way but it does mean you get something for nothing.
YEP he has put on too much weight which will be stripped off him next pre season. It does take a while coming back from an ACL its also about having confidence in your body. His turning circle is like a mack truck atm. Thats not the Schoey that i know or have seen prior to his injury. Its obvious he is still finding out the boundaries of what he can and can't do.Sorry for the intrusion fellas,
I had a quick read in a few of the Hawthorn threads and noticed a lot of negativity towards Shoenmakers.
Prior to Shoenmakers injury I was really impressed by how much he had improved as a defender, I can remember him comfortably beating Hawkins and many other key forwards in 2012, while also providing some quality rebound.
I genuinely believed Shoenmakers would develop into a dominant CHB / FB type player once he returned from injury. ACL's take a long time to recovery both mentally and physically, it also doesn't help that he''s been moved from back to forward. If a Geelong supporter has faith that Shoenmakers will become a gun, then so should you guys. Just my thoughts.
Also, he was impressive at AFL Draft Camp, with the top ranking in the repeat sprints and in the top six in both the 20m sprint (2.90 sec) which suggests the extra muscle he put on while injured has slowed him down significantly.
Sorry for the intrusion fellas,
I had a quick read in a few of the Hawthorn threads and noticed a lot of negativity towards Shoenmakers.
Prior to Shoenmakers injury I was really impressed by how much he had improved as a defender, I can remember him comfortably beating Hawkins and many other key forwards in 2012, while also providing some quality rebound.
I genuinely believed Shoenmakers would develop into a dominant CHB / FB type player once he returned from injury. ACL's take a long time to recovery both mentally and physically, it also doesn't help that he''s been moved from back to forward. If a Geelong supporter has faith that Shoenmakers will become a gun, then so should you guys. Just my thoughts.
Also, he was impressive at AFL Draft Camp, with the top ranking in the repeat sprints and in the top six in both the 20m sprint (2.90 sec) which suggests the extra muscle he put on while injured has slowed him down significantly.