I suppose just because O'Meara is so highly rated as are the others and Hogan could be anything. Martin is skinny, underdeveloped and has played exactly one good game. But what a game it was!
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Dont have to read 9 pages, but anyone putting Crouch last of the 4 has no idea.
Has the potential to be the best of the lot.
Has the potential to be the best of the lot.
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Only played 11 games, some sub, after returning from injury.
He is a wisp, whereas Omeara and Crouch are very developed. IMO Martin could easily be the best.
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Crouch has 40 touches against the best side in the comp in his 2nd week back from injury on a friday night infront of a packed house.
Has yet to have a full pre-season
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And Crouch is an absolute man child.
Martin will take longer to develop, but his touches and run are so damaging. A freakishly skilled player, who doesn't yet have the mass to play on ball. As he gains strength though, will improve rapidly like Fyfe but with bennels skill. Omeara is better than Crouch. Gets marginally less ball, but a better user and more athletically talented. His pace and agility give him the edge.
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Well virtually every draft expert I've heard from had Crouch last of the four, but hey if you say they have no idea then it must be true.
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Everybody has the potential to be the best out of the 4.
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Which 'draft experts' are you talking about?
Probably the same one that said Watts was the best player in his year.
And is this before they started playing AFL?
Because lets face it Hogan has done 0, Martin pretty much 0.
O'Meara and Crouch are only ones with runs on the board.
Winning a VFL best and fairest from 13 games as an 18 year old when you're not eligible to play AFL is "nothing".
I accept you know nothing about him, so your comment is understandable.
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All I said is that he hasnt shown anything at AFL level, which is true.
Now I know he has had injuries, but all I stated is that he hasnt proven anything yet.
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I miss hotpocket. The early part of this thread was great reading with his cheerleading for Hogan.
"I've never seen these guys play but Hogan is better"
"I've never seen these guys play but Hogan is better"
It's OK. I've gathered what you know and don't know about the draftees in question. This really isn't a thread for you. I put it down to geography.
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I know plenty about him.
I know he hasnt played AFL
I know he played very well in 2013 in a rubbish VFL team.
I know he hyperextended his knee late in 2013.
I know he had a bad back injury during 2014.
None of these things tell me he'll be better than the other 3 players.
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Dont worry, Trav here is replacing the hot pocket.
Even given Hogan has played 0 afl games, he apparently thinks hes shown enough to be considered with the other names on the list.
Man Child is not something i would use to describe Crouch. Has no where near the muscle of guys like Wines or O'Meara and justifiably so as they are tough inside mids (ala JPK) where as he is a silky smooth mid like Pendlebury.
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Nah, not like Pendlebury.
The kid is already well developed physically.
More mass than Omeara who has a lot of lean muscle.
I saw him and his brother a week ago in person so i can tell you first hand he isn't a massive boy or anything close to a man child. Might have it on in KG's but have a look at his chest and forearms.
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Yeah nah.
Well developed for his age and as a player, nothing like Pendlebury. Where Omeara differentiates, is better skills, and elite athletic potential. He would be one of the quickest and most agile players in the AFL. Doesn't use it enough yet, because he plays a more defensive role, but as he develops his game along the lines of his junior days, will absolutely torch teams.
Would disagree wholeheartedly. Tell me someone like Pendlebury is massive and you'd be having a laugh yet he is 91kg. Plays his role so much like Pendlebury which A LOT of Adelaide Crows supporters have backed up (who would definitely see more his games than yourself).
.. I prefer an eye test over a number just personally.
Stick Thin:
Average:
Man Child:
Man Child:
We can all read.
Your acumen levels with regards to this player stretch to zero. Understandable though.
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Yeah Crouch isnt like Pendlebury.
He's hard to define, but definitely more of an inside than an outside mid. Hes not a massive unit either, his body is more like ablett, just strong core and seems to be close to the ground and really well balanced. I think he'll be rated a lot more highly next year after a full season. If he was at a Vic club, people would be jizzing themselves.
He's hard to define, but definitely more of an inside than an outside mid. Hes not a massive unit either, his body is more like ablett, just strong core and seems to be close to the ground and really well balanced. I think he'll be rated a lot more highly next year after a full season. If he was at a Vic club, people would be jizzing themselves.
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I think everyones acumen levels are lacking because there is NOTHING TO GO ON!
A bit of quality VFL 2 years ago doesnt give enough of an indication.
And Jack Martin has played 11 games, probably 7 of which he did nothing, a few he showed a bit and 1 has been an absolute standout yet people will take him first. So I'm not sure what you point is.
Tom Boyd just got paid 7 mil, traded for Griffen and pick 6 and salary relief from the dogs on the back of 9 games a lot of which were average.
It's a bit ridiculous to argue over who is the best. But I wouldn't rule out any of them. Hogan and Martin have both had injuries and were always going to take longer. But I guess there were plenty calling Hodge a dud in about 2003 and thinking not only Judd but Ball were way better players.
Only Daniher (had he not been father son) and Whitfield could've rivaled O'Meara and Crouch in the 2012 draft. Only Boyd would've been in the conversation with Martin and Hogan had they been in the 2013 draft. They are all super talents.
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