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Bruce Francis (Part3)

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But can they prove that even if TB4 was in the syringe that it did not spontaneously turn into vitamin c before entering player body by a quantum freak accident?
Got it all wrong mate. The nurse was overheard recommending the players have "tea before" the injection to combat the nausea (from being injected with 100x the RDI of B vitamins).
 
Black Francis > Bruce Francis

buckley>voss>hird>robbo

torture albert, mutilation, malanotan, freelance renegade erections, bald carnts that look like robbo, pixie dust, we be in a good place after this done, but lawyers 5 mill better off


blackcat might be a bit random at times but he has great taste in music :)

Change "Mr Grieves" to "Mr Dank" and you have the lyrics for the whole supplements scandal.
 
That's a bit unfair on Dank. Remember it was around the time Dean Wallis started to compile his database in June 2013, Dank's exhaustive search managed to unearth an unsigned letter from Alavi that conveniently stated it was the good Thymosin that was used. Amazingly that letter was dated February 2013.

I am somewhat bewildered how it got misplaced in the first place though. It could hardly have been buried under a pile of other paperwork that no one has been able to find :rolleyes:
No, what happend
blackcat might be a bit random at times but he has great taste in music :)

Change "Mr Grieves" to "Mr Dank" and you have the lyrics for the whole supplements scandal.
What about Cry me a river?
 

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It's pretty straight forward AT, nothing has changed.

There is evidence that TB4 was ordered by Charter.
There is some evidence that it was prepared by Alavi.
There is some evidence that it was provided to Dank.
There is some evidence that it made it to the club.
There is some evidence that it may have been used on players.

As you progress down that series of statements, the certainty of the statement decreases.

If you're willing to end careers because players unwittingly may have taken a substance that might be performance enhancing then you're not as intelligent nor as reasonable as you've portrayed yourself.
The appropriate penalty for systematic cheating where ASADA are unable to identify the exact identities of the individual cheats is to use the AFL's discretion to ban the club rather than the players (though they would have their weekends free as a result).

To satisfy broadcasting contracts we would just have EFC playing a season for no points.
 
"use the AFL'S discretion". Just lol. Says it all really
If the defence is now (and we are interpreting BF comments) "We did it, but you can't prove who did it", it is just lucky that EFC have carefully maintained their relationship with the AFL;).

If the players get off on this defence, can't see how EFC don't get wacked again. I do concede that it is the AFL we are talking about.
 
So Lance, what's your take on the whole affair?

Are you leaning towards guilty or not guilty, as you are a rational and extremely balanced observer.
as from day one I'm waiting for the conclusion. I have waxed and waned at times. As a natural optimist I'd like to believe we'll be ok. But as a natural sceptic I think we could be ****ed. The evidence in the public domain is certainly more bad than good for an EFC supporter. Whilst the circumstantial case is difficult to build and I'm not convinced it is, I tend to think that if it is built and the chains are linked then the defence is pretty flimsy.

Let's put it this way maybe: I won't be surprised if it turns out it's proven EFC cheated
 
There's something to respect supporters who have not bragged about a clubs numerous premierships, I respect those more who have had a lot more lean times and stuck like a rock! There's more dignity in that than mindless boasting.

While I'm very proud of my club's recent and historical successes (probably because I came of age during the dark times), I do get embarrassed when my fellow Hawks get a little too boastful. It's one thing to celebrate loudly on our board, but on everyone else's we should remember that a touch of humility in victory hasn't been shown to cause cancer.
 
as from day one I'm waiting for the conclusion. I have waxed and waned at times. As a natural optimist I'd like to believe we'll be ok. But as a natural sceptic I think we could be stuffed. The evidence in the public domain is certainly more bad than good for an EFC supporter. Whilst the circumstantial case is difficult to build and I'm not convinced it is, I tend to think that if it is built and the chains are linked then the defence is pretty flimsy.

Let's put it this way maybe: I won't be surprised if it turns out it's proven EFC cheated

Thanks. Once again balanced, rational and most of all, honest.
 

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While I'm very proud of my club's recent and historical successes (probably because I came of age during the dark times), I do get embarrassed when my fellow Hawks get a little too boastful. It's one thing to celebrate loudly on our board, but on everyone else's we should remember that a touch of humility in victory hasn't been shown to cause cancer.
Thanks for that.
 
as from day one I'm waiting for the conclusion. I have waxed and waned at times. As a natural optimist I'd like to believe we'll be ok. But as a natural sceptic I think we could be stuffed. The evidence in the public domain is certainly more bad than good for an EFC supporter. Whilst the circumstantial case is difficult to build and I'm not convinced it is, I tend to think that if it is built and the chains are linked then the defence is pretty flimsy.

Let's put it this way maybe: I won't be surprised if it turns out it's proven EFC cheated
By far and away one of the best posts I have seen on this topic or on ANY topic. Takes into account both sides, and is honest. I am just mostly a lurker on this topic but very impressed with this one. Kudos.
 

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But can they prove that even if TB4 was in the syringe that it did not spontaneously turn into vitamin c before entering player body by a quantum freak accident?
Remember Alavi delivered TB4 to Dank in an Esky, so you might suspect that the stuff is not terribly stable!

(and then Dank left it out on his bench and it spoiled, saving Essendon, no mention of whether it denatured into Vit. C though :))
 
Black Francis > Bruce Francis

buckley>voss>hird>robbo

torture albert, mutilation, malanotan, freelance renegade erections, bald carnts that look like robbo, pixie dust, we be in a good place after this done, but lawyers 5 mill better off

Bruce Francis, Robbo et al shouldnt feel too bad though, not everyone gets awarded 'Teenager of the Year' ...

 
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