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DaVillaBlues said:
Horrified by the brutal stabbing murder of a poor 17 year old girl in Doncaster last night.

What kind of society are we becoming ? Shed tears reading about it this morning, normally i don't advocate vigilante justice, but if I found the fiend who did it, well remember that scene in The Shawshank Redemption where Tim Robbins tormentor was paid a visit by the prison guards whom he helped with their taxes ? Something like that ..

Absolutely heartbroken for her family. Just like the Jill Meagher case, these horrific crimes against women really upset and disturb me emotionally ?
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One of my closest friends lives near that park. How is she going to feel safe taking her kids out for a walk now?
I know a few women who've been attacked in parks while going for a walk or a jog. It's ******* unfair. It's unfair that we should have to think twice about where we can and can't go.
 
MEB_ said:
One of my closest friends lives near that park. How is she going to feel safe taking her kids out for a walk now?
I know a few women who've been attacked in parks while going for a walk or a jog. It's ******* unfair. It's unfair that we should have to think twice about where we can and can't go.
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Doncaster is supposed to be a safe, quiet, leafy suburb as well. And been through there a few times, it does seem to have a large, vibrant population of young people and women as well.

In the supposed lucky country we live in, young women shouldn't have to be forced to live in fear or cancel plans to take an evening walk on a fine Autumn night at 7 pm.

I feel lucky and blessed to be a fairly sturdy bloke in my mid 30s, I have no problems or qualms walking the streets at night,but for young women like you Mebby, you don't have that luxury.

Starting to seriously believe that we have to introduce anti-domestic violence/violence against women classes in Secondary Schools, today's generation of young boys need to be instructed/taught that violence against women is absolutely non-acceptable.

Also the banning of casual street-knives and switch blades would also be a good move as well
 
Wasn't a great experience being a skinny kid having to take late night trains home from the city out past Dandenong. Copped my fair share of unprovoked attacks. Made me get my license as soon as I turned 18.

DaVillaBlues said:
In the supposed lucky country we live in, young women shouldn't have to be forced to live in fear or cancel plans to take an evening walk on a fine Autumn night at 7 pm.
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Just about sums it up for me.
 

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I've always been quite determined to live my life free from fear but it's getting to the stage where that's just not smart risk management. I've never been afraid to walk through the city late at night, and then last year after the Collingwood game I had a very scary run in with a group of men. I've never been afraid to drive by myself, but yesterday I was harassed for about a half an hour by a man hanging halfway out his van, following me every time I switched lanes or turned. I've never been afraid to talk to strangers in a social setting, and this has resulted in me needing a friend to escort me to my car because people won't leave me alone.
I've never been afraid to stand up for myself, but with the rise in violent attacks I'm starting to bite my tongue.
I've never been afraid, but I don't think this is sustainable, and that makes me really sad.
 
DaVillaBlues said:
Doncaster is supposed to be a safe, quiet, leafy suburb as well. And been through there a few times, it does seem to have a large, vibrant population of young people and women as well.

In the supposed lucky country we live in, young women shouldn't have to be forced to live in fear or cancel plans to take an evening walk on a fine Autumn night at 7 pm.

I feel lucky and blessed to be a fairly sturdy bloke in my mid 30s, I have no problems or qualms walking the streets at night,but for young women like you Mebby, you don't have that luxury.

Starting to seriously believe that we have to introduce anti-domestic violence/violence against women classes in Secondary Schools, today's generation of young boys need to be instructed/taught that violence against women is absolutely non-acceptable.

Also the banning of casual street-knives and switch blades would also be a good move as well
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Pretty sure those sort of knives are already banned. Can't ban all knives though unfortunately.

Its tough for both guys and girls walking the streets at night (obviously much worse for women). I've come up against groups of people walking home from the pub and had a fair few close encounters, it's not fun that's for sure. Simple rule is to not walk alone if at all possible, it's a sad reality unfortunately
 
Police have released pictures of the bloke on a bus. But, similar to Bayley and Jill Meagher, I imagine they have a lot more pictures and footage from CCTV than they're letting on. Shouldn't be too much longer.
 
This may get me chastised but this is a discussion thread.

This isn't a case of domestic violence. This is a sick twisted predator who would have killed someone else if it wasn't the poor girl. Anyone who was deemed vulnerable enough regardless of age, gender or race was at risk at that time.

Maybe that is just me rationalizing it to.an extent as to why things like this happen.
 
Styxx said:
This may get me chastised but this is a discussion thread.

This isn't a case of domestic violence. This is a sick twisted predator who would have killed someone else if it wasn't the poor girl. Anyone who was deemed vulnerable enough regardless of age, gender or race was at risk at that time.

Maybe that is just me rationalizing it to.an extent as to why things like this happen.
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I don't think any of us called it a domestic violence incident. We don't know the killer's intent, so we don't know whether or not her gender played a part, but I think most people would agree that women are at a natural disadvantage when it comes to safety.
 
Jatz said:
That's true. That's not to say that men aren't though (which I know you didn't say). I'm sure I've posted on here before about the night we got mugged with my mate ending up in hospital.

Unfortunately, there's scum of the earth all over the place.
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Totally. One of my male cousins was bashed in Yarrawonga by some tourists (who thought he 'looked at them funny') and a friend's male cousin was killed with a king hit at Federation Square. Violence against men happens, but it's often a different kind of violence (king hits, fist fights, etc) than what occurs against women.
 
Interesting article this morning:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/ga...ds-dolce-gabbana/story-fnizhakg-1227270361383

I'll preface this by saying that my aunty is gay and is raising a son with her partner and I love all three of them to death.

The article interests me though because it's the first one I've read from the perspective of someone who was raised in that environment. I must admit, the concerns raised in the article are the same thoughts I've always had in relation to this. I have no doubt that the love from my aunty and her partner is incredibly strong. My cousin will be raised in a beautiful home. But I do wonder about the young lad having no father figure in his life in which to learn off.

Maybe this comes about because of the relationship with my own father. He's the best man I've ever known and if I become half the guy he is, I'll be incredibly happy. He'll end up being the best man at my wedding.

I love my Mum to death but the relationship with my Dad is something else. I just don't want my little cousin to miss that experience.

Hopefully that makes sense. I'm not interested in arguing with anyone over this, I know we all have our own opinions. Just something on my mind I guess.
 
DaVillaBlues said:
Starting to seriously believe that we have to introduce anti-domestic violence/violence against women classes in Secondary Schools, today's generation of young boys need to be instructed/taught that violence against women is absolutely non-acceptable.
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Amen to that, you certainly read about these things in the papers a lot more than you read about algebra.
 
Jatz said:
Interesting article this morning:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/ga...ds-dolce-gabbana/story-fnizhakg-1227270361383

I'll preface this by saying that my aunty is gay and is raising a son with her partner and I love all three of them to death.

The article interests me though because it's the first one I've read from the perspective of someone who was raised in that environment. I must admit, the concerns raised in the article are the same thoughts I've always had in relation to this. I have no doubt that the love from my aunty and her partner is incredibly strong. My cousin will be raised in a beautiful home. But I do wonder about the young lad having no father figure in his life in which to learn off.

Maybe this comes about because of the relationship with my own father. He's the best man I've ever known and if I become half the guy he is, I'll be incredibly happy. He'll end up being the best man at my wedding.

I love my Mum to death but the relationship with my Dad is something else. I just don't want my little cousin to miss that experience.

Hopefully that makes sense. I'm not interested in arguing with anyone over this, I know we all have our own opinions. Just something on my mind I guess.
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I suppose it would be similar to a single parent bringing up a child (albeit a slightly different dynamic). A mother bringing up a boy or a man bringing up a daughter would obviously struggle in a few areas, but the child is still getting it's core wants and needs addressed which overall is the main thing.

In terms of male or female figures that are lacking, they can often be found from things like uncles and aunties etc, who are around quite often. They can be people for the kids to look up to and step into a pseudo role. While not entirely the same, it can still be a very valuable role in their life.
 

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Sublime said:
I suppose it would be similar to a single parent bringing up a child (albeit a slightly different dynamic). A mother bringing up a boy or a man bringing up a daughter would obviously struggle in a few areas, but the child is still getting it's core wants and needs addressed which overall is the main thing.

In terms of male or female figures that are lacking, they can often be found from things like uncles and aunties etc, who are around quite often. They can be people for the kids to look up to and step into a pseudo role. While not entirely the same, it can still be a very valuable role in their life.
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Yep, agree that single parenting would provide a similar thing.

While that's true in a sense, I've got a mate that was raised without his old man. While he appreciates everything his Mum did for him, he does lament the fact that he doesn't have that relationship with his dad. He's that close to us that my Dad has often been like a father figure for him but I don't think it's ever the same.

I'm catching up for a beer with my Dad tonight and I have no reservations in saying that it will be the highlight of my week.

I guess it's hard for me to know, I've been so incredibly blessed in my upbringing.
 
Jatz this is where you come in. You are his uncle and he will learn of you and perhaps his grandfather, your dad. He might even get male teachers which will help him. What he needs to get is a best mate who he can hang out with and then their dad will become like a surrogate dad to him.

I grew up without a mother but my best friend, well she was more like a sister to me, her mother became my mother as I was always at their place and I loved her like a mother. I always brought her presents and mother day cards.
 
I was raised from the age of 7 by just my mother and she had to start working 16 hour days to support me and my brother whole I was at the age of 12 or so.

I personally can't remember looking to any older male as a father figure while growing up. Mum had a boyfriend move J with us at 14 but I never saw him that way he was a cool guy but he was always just Jim to me.

My grandfather on my. Mind side I never met and my dad's side of the family stopped talking to us after he died so I only had my 2 uncles I'd see a couple times a year.
 
Jatz said:
Interesting article this morning:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/ga...ds-dolce-gabbana/story-fnizhakg-1227270361383

I'll preface this by saying that my aunty is gay and is raising a son with her partner and I love all three of them to death.

The article interests me though because it's the first one I've read from the perspective of someone who was raised in that environment. I must admit, the concerns raised in the article are the same thoughts I've always had in relation to this. I have no doubt that the love from my aunty and her partner is incredibly strong. My cousin will be raised in a beautiful home. But I do wonder about the young lad having no father figure in his life in which to learn off.

Maybe this comes about because of the relationship with my own father. He's the best man I've ever known and if I become half the guy he is, I'll be incredibly happy. He'll end up being the best man at my wedding.

I love my Mum to death but the relationship with my Dad is something else. I just don't want my little cousin to miss that experience.

Hopefully that makes sense. I'm not interested in arguing with anyone over this, I know we all have our own opinions. Just something on my mind I guess.
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There's a documentary coming out soon which is from the perspective of children who have two parents of the same gender, called Gayby Baby. It might interest you.

Personally I think role modelling can come from all sorts of adult figures whether or not they're the actual parent.
 
MEB_ said:
There's a documentary coming out soon which is from the perspective of children who have two parents of the same gender, called Gayby Baby. It might interest you.

Personally I think role modelling can come from all sorts of adult figures whether or not they're the actual parent.
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Don't deny your last paragraph at all. I know that can be the case. I just have never experienced a bond greater than that with my father. I wish all got to share what I've been so lucky to have.
 
Jatz said:
Don't deny your last paragraph at all. I know that can be the case. I just have never experienced a bond greater than that with my father. I wish all got to share what I've been so lucky to have.
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I think it comes down to the individuals. I'm much closer with my father than my mother, to the point where he is 100% my go-to family member.
 
My friend and I got trolled on facebook this morning. Absolutely hilarious stuff. Apparently my friend and I are scum and we are terrible people. I have a fair idea who it is and I couldn't care less what she wrote as I haven't seen her for about 35 years. She was a friend who I went to school with but we lost touch.
 
You know who I feel sorry for atm, Stuart Diver, who has lost his second wife due to breast cancer. I cannot imagine what he is going through, after losing his first wife in terrible circumstances, then finding love again only to lose her after about ten years. Sometimes life really does suck.
 
JamisonRun40 said:
You know who I feel sorry for atm, Stuart Diver, who has lost his second wife due to breast cancer. I cannot imagine what he is going through, after losing his first wife in terrible circumstances, then finding love again only to lose her after about ten years. Sometimes life really does suck.
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Absolutely. He's had such a rough trot. She was diagnosed within weeks of their wedding.
It really makes me appreciate how lucky I am, even more.
 
So it turns out That monster who murdered Jill Meagher was found guilty of raping 3 more women before he butchered poor Jill.

And this creep had a history of violent crime against women, and still our limp as a lettuce magistrates let him out.

Honestly fuming about this and makes the Nick Stevens sentence and out on bail decision all the more galling.

I have no face in Australia's Judicial System at all, I know I harp on about it, but I am a passionate advocate to stop violence against women ...
 
DaVillaBlues said:
So it turns out That monster who murdered Jill Meagher was found guilty of raping 3 more women before he butchered poor Jill.

And this creep had a history of violent crime against women, and still our limp as a lettuce magistrates let him out.

Honestly fuming about this and makes the Nick Stevens sentence and out on bail decision all the more galling.

I have no face in Australia's Judicial System at all, I know I harp on about it, but I am a passionate advocate to stop violence against women ...
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I'm a passionate advocate to stop violence against everyone. Man, woman or child. As a male i'm twice as likely to be assaulted and that doesn't make me feel safe at all. None of us should have to feel like we're looking over our shoulders. Keep passionate about it, it's the only way we'll ever see improvement in these things, and i'll back you 100% of the way.
 
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