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[Smiling Buddha]

Because it was uninformed fear mongering probably

'probably'. Because the tv said so

 

[Gough]

What is your gripe with TV at the moment?
*posts Disposable Heroes video*

 

[Probitas_]

'probably'. Because the tv said so

Other than footy I don't watch it. Don't jump to conclusions, it makes you look even more insane.

 

[Gough]

Other than footy I don't watch it. Don't jump to conclusions, it makes you look even more insane.

Dennis, and Bruce, and the statist slogans inserted on a subconscious level to our Friday night games. A few of the recent games have made me feel like killing myself to be fair.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Other than footy I don't watch it. Don't jump to conclusions, it makes you look even more insane.

That is more than enough these days, with 'multicultural rounds' and the gay agenda forced down peoples throats.

And if you don't watch tv, where do you get your information? Please, I would like to know. Facebook perchance?

 

[Probitas_]

That is more than enough these days, with 'multicultural rounds' and the gay agenda forced down peoples throats.

And if you don't watch tv, where do you get your information? Please, I would like to know. Facebook perchance?

Blogs, forums, books, so probably similar places you get yours but with a much more centrist and balanced approach and much less hour long videos and ranting.

 

[Probitas_]

Also seriously 'the gay agenda', can you stick to one nutbag thing at a time.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Blogs, forums, books, so probably similar places you get yours but with a much more centrist and balanced approach and much less hour long videos and ranting.

Name some, I will check them out.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Immunize as it is proven to work by people who are trained and have good knowledge in their fields.

 

[Probitas_]

Name some, I will check them out.

I don't have specifics, when I want to educate myself on an issue I read across as much as I can. I don't barrack for an opinion like I do a footy team so I try and see both sides viewpoints before jumping to a conclusion. In the case of anti vaccination it doesn't seem there's much point in supplying you with any specifics because you've made up your mind in the face of the overwhelming evidence supporting how wrong you are.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

I don't have specifics

A 'no' would suffice.

In the case of anti vaccination it doesn't seem there's much point in supplying you with any specifics because you've made up your mind in the face of the overwhelming evidence supporting how wrong you are.

On the contrary, I do not recall seeing a single piece of evidence from the pro-chemical concoction injections crowd in this entire thread.

 

[hufus]

Not going to lie, pretty disgusted by the quality of debate in this thread.








Not ONE person has raised the fact that the OP has been brainwashed into using the American spelling by the mass media. It's immunise, not immunize.

Also, I have no sympathy for parents who use junk science to deny their children the right to a healthy life, and even less who use opinion to threaten the lives of others. I'm yet to ever see an extensive, peer-reviewed analysis that the compulsory vaccines are worse for children than the diseases they prevent, and never once read an open, informed, and reasonable opinion from someone who objects to their use.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Also, I have no sympathy for parents who use junk science to deny their children the right to a healthy life, and even less who use opinion to threaten the lives of others. I'm yet to ever see an extensive, peer-reviewed analysis that the compulsory vaccines are worse for children than the diseases they prevent, and never once read an open, informed, and reasonable opinion from someone who objects to their use.

Maybe if the statists allowed Dr Sherri Tenpenny to give lectures within the country, you might have had the chance to go along and hear the other side for yourself.

Sadly though we live in a 'free' country where the freedom is to believe what the authorities tell you to believe.

 

[Long Live HFC]

why are people asked to constantly prove things that are (by now) self-evident? do these people jump into a debate about, say, astrophysics and demand that someone prove gravity?

On the contrary, I do not recall seeing a single piece of evidence from the pro-chemical concoction injections crowd in this entire thread.

 

[Probitas_]

A 'no' would suffice.

On the contrary, I do not recall seeing a single piece of evidence from the pro-chemical concoction injections crowd in this entire thread.

You've made your opinion pretty clear and I assumed it was based off researching both sides and not just this thread. If you need your hand held I can provide plenty of studies to disprove your position.

 

[GreyWind]

Maybe if the statists allowed Dr Sherri Tenpenny to give lectures within the country, you might have had the chance to go along and hear the other side for yourself.

Have you seen one of her lectures? If so what did you think of them?

 

[Long Live HFC]

Maybe if the statists allowed Dr Sherri Tenpenny to give lectures within the country, you might have had the chance to go along and hear the other side for yourself.

Denialism is the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none. These false arguments are used when one has few or no facts to support one’s viewpoint against a scientific consensus or against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They are effective in distracting from actual useful debate using emotionally appealing, but ultimately empty and illogical assertions.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

You've made your opinion pretty clear and I assumed it was based off researching both sides and not just this thread. If you need your hand held I can provide plenty of studies to disprove your position.

I think the whole thread would benefit from one of the pro-forced chemical concoction injection crowd offering up some evidence.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Have you seen one of her lectures? If so what did you think of them?

of course he hasn't. he doesn't actually care for the topic, he just wants a reason to pontificate about consensus opinion and how acceptance of such makes us all sheep, positioning himself as the "independent thinker".

 

[Probitas_]

I think the whole thread would benefit from one of the pro-forced chemical concoction injection crowd offering up some evidence.

Here's some studies, including very long term.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/6/1134.full

http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/07/journal-retracts-paper-linking-vaccine-and-narcolepsy.html

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10376617

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14761240

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15364187

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15877763

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16555271

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16865547

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14519711

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12480426



Here's some news of the anti vax crowd and their lies

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8483865.stm

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html

And here's some articles explaining the results in believing in their fear mongering.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevens...he-worst-whooping-cough-epidemic-in-70-years/

http://www.livescience.com/11155-whooping-cough-whopping-comeback.html


If you would like some hard copy references and not just internet based journals and articles I have plenty of those as well.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

As if you have even read any of them yourself lol.

 

[Probitas_]

As if you have even read any of them yourself lol.

Considering it was a large part of what I studied, yes I have read many of them. Not all but the majority.

So I take it you will read those and give them the thought they require?

 

[Scotland]

I think the whole thread would benefit from one of the pro-forced chemical concoction injection crowd offering up some evidence.

Is there anything you don't have a conspiracy theory for?

 

[Flash of power]

The anti-vaxxers are dangerous terrorists that spruke non-evidence based fear mongering garbage to parents, who in the main, are probably just trying to make the right decision for their children. Parents shouldn't be scared to immunise and all the evidence supports it being the right thing to do.

On very rare occasions things go wrong, that is sad and unfortunate and if it were my child I would be devastated, but as parents you have to make these decisions and the anti-vaxxers should just shut their cult like gobs. All of society should not be at risk of dangerous diseases that have the potential to kill and ruin many many thousands of lives.

This is the queue waiting for the polio vaccine when it first became available, do you think those thousands of people were doing that for the fun of it, no they experienced first hand the devastating illness that now thankfully has been eradicated. Wonder how many reget it???

 

[Long Live HFC]

It is more the part of the brain that draws conclusions / makes decisions.

yeah i've seen that opinion previously. a truly amazing bloke with a dizzying intellect i 'knew' on another forum, described it thusly:

All these factors are indicative of strong left-hemispherical cognitive dominance. And I'm not talking about hemispherical dominance in that "oh, I just did a test on the internet which says I'm right-brained which means I'm creative!" sense, I'm talking about you having a cognitive pathology which renders the potential for normal, sane thought impossible. Hence, the things you believe.

continued:

Spoiler

Among other things, the left-hemisphere is responsible for the creation and maintenance of a "holistic" world-view: what we might call, in Freudian terms, the "ego". Under normal circumstances, the left-hemisphere is tempered by the functions of the right-hemisphere, which - using cognitive process closely tied to the emotional centers of the brain - is capable of "over-ruling" the left-hemisphere when it becomes clear that the world-view it has created is at odds with reality. When - as is the case with stroke patients - the right-hemisphere is incapable of performing these functions, extreme delusions (completely unrecognisable to those who hold them, of course) become impossible to resist and these patients can come to believe, for instance, that their paralysed arm is not actually paralysed and that it belongs to their father.

The left-brain, left to its own devices, is capable of confabulating a picture of the world that at no point intersects with reality and it is incapable of realising the discrepancy.

But this is a fairly extreme example. I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you are a stroke victim suffering from trauma in the right parietal lobe. From your posts here, I think it's likely that your problem is an undeveloped rather than a damaged right-brain.

(reading this guy's posts over the years made me feel like an intellectual peasant, and it was amazing.)