Abbott's school reform paper proposes cutting federal funding

[Dry Rot]

Just when you the Fed govt couldn't get worse or more insane, there's this

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-cutting-federal-funding-20150621-ghtkkz.html

You'll love one of the options: removing funding for public schools and maintaining funding for private schools.

Utter madness.

 

[geelong_boy]

Stop advocating class warfare, DR. <I'm being sarcastic.>

 

[GoldenSky]

Just when you the Fed govt couldn't get worse or more insane, there's this

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-cutting-federal-funding-20150621-ghtkkz.html

You'll love one of the options: removing funding for public schools and maintaining funding for private schools.

Utter madness.

Wow. This guy seriously has to go.

 

[Lebbo73]

Couldn't this have been posted in the multitude of Abbott threads?

 

[Gough]

Are we meant to be suprised by this?

 

[Qsaint]

Great by Pine the two worst and costly underperforming areas of Govt Delivery are Health and Education ridiculous duplication IE 8000 people in Federal Health Department but they dont run one Hospital or disease control centre.

So the options are (and should be non political)
1. States run all education
2. Feds run all Education
3. States run Public, Feds fund Private
4. Status quo

Hopefully its not 4 because it doesnt work, 2 was going to needs base test students in public schooling.

Ideally 1 or 2 with the same money will provide a much better result. For instance in Qld and I assume the other states are much the same for every public school teacher there is 1.1 other employees in the state education department and of course the Fed education department that runs no schools, how much of those wasted wages could be spent at the coalface if it is re engineered.

This is what Gonski should of been about rather than promising money Labor knew we didnt have

 

[madmug]

Couldn't this have been posted in the multitude of Abbott threads?

Why? are their too many fronts you have to defend this nasty tea party idiot on?

Defend, deflect, defend, deflect. Keep up the good work little keyboard warrior.

 

[Qsaint]

Couldn't this have been posted in the multitude of Abbott threads?

Its major policy probably the most important Abbott has touched

 

[madmug]

Great by Pine the two worst and costly underperforming areas of Govt Delivery are Health and Education ridiculous duplication IE 8000 people in Federal Health Department but they dont run one Hospital or disease control centre.

So the options are (and should be non political)
1. States run all education
2. Feds run all Education
3. States run Public, Feds fund Private
4. Status quo

Hopefully its not 4 because it doesnt work, 2 was going to needs base test students in public schooling.

Ideally 1 or 2 with the same money will provide a much better result. For instance in Qld and I assume the other states are much the same for every public school teacher there is 1.1 other employees in the state education department and of course the Fed education department that runs no schools, how much of those wasted wages could be spent at the coalface if it is re engineered.

This is what Gonski should of been about rather than promising money Labor knew we didnt have

This all gets to the age old problem of the State & Federal fiscal imbalance.

States cannot run these given their revenue streams.

Also do we really want 7 different systems. Its bad enough with many things in this country but having greater differences between states & also with local gument, makes planning, development & decision making even harder.

 

[Qsaint]

This all gets to the age old problem of the State & Federal fiscal imbalance.

States cannot run these given their revenue streams.

Also do we really want 7 different systems. Its bad enough with many things in this country but having greater differences between states & also with local gument, makes planning, development & decision making even harder.

Give the states the money or take it all back it shouldnt be difficult. In a perfect world states should run health or education and the feds the other

 

[Gough]

It's about blame passing. A look at the fine print will no doubt see that Labor states will find their funding cut harder than the Liberal controlled ones.

 

[Taylor]

The Federal level directly funding health and education was a silly thing to commit to during elections but it wins votes. "More money for education and health? No thank you" - said no significant portion of the voting mass.

Allocating funding to the states for services is reasonable.

I heard things about the states being very clever with it, shifting money from their own budgets for education and replacing it with Federal cash each time a new wave of spending came out.

 

[Qsaint]

It's about blame passing. A look at the fine print will no doubt see that Labor states will find their funding cut harder than the Liberal controlled ones.

It quite clearly stated a $ per student with a couple of supplements for extra need students

And if the Feds take it over then you cant blame anyone but themselves

 

[Qsaint]

The Federal level directly funding health and education was a silly thing to commit to during elections but it wins votes. "More money for education and health? No thank you" - said no significant portion of the voting mass.

Allocating funding to the states for services is reasonable.

I heard things about the states being very clever with it, shifting money from their own budgets for education and replacing it with Federal cash each time a new wave of spending came out.

Yup Its about as transparent as mud at the moment.

 

[Showbags]

"Having talked to the Prime Minister about this matter many times, it is his view that we have a particular responsibility for non-government schooling that we don't have for government schooling."

-Pyne

WTF so the government has a responsibility for non-government schooling?

It really shows the thought process of this government. The question is not "how can we improve education". It seems to be "how can we gouge more out of the education system".

 

[swingdog]

I liked Pyne's comment about having an "emotional commitment" to non-government schools. Translation: we all went to private schools and want to see more of us.

His subsequent tweets have suggested that he realises this is political suicide as it would hand the ALP a gift issue for an election.

 

[Qsaint]

"Having talked to the Prime Minister about this matter many times, it is his view that we have a particular responsibility for non-government schooling that we don't have for government schooling."

-Pyne

WTF so the government has a responsibility for non-government schooling?

It really shows the thought process of this government. The question is not "how can we improve education". It seems to be "how can we gouge more out of the education system".

It's a historical commitment once upon a time States paid for public schools and not private schools. The Feds paid for nothing. The catholic system was broke and in Goulburn all the catholic kids enrolled in the public system until Menzies stepped in and paid for science labs (anyway it was something like that)

 

[Lebbo73]

Why? are their too many fronts you have to defend this nasty tea party idiot on?

Defend, deflect, defend, deflect. Keep up the good work little keyboard warrior.

Hahaha. He is nothing like the Tea Party. If he was, I won't hesitate in voting for him at the next election!

 

[RUNVS]

These reform ideas are disgusting, nothing short of that.

 

[Qsaint]

These reform ideas are disgusting, nothing short of that.

Why

 

[Gough]

When was any of this flagged, and I wonder what happened to the unity ticket on Gonski?

 

[Showbags]

Hahaha. He is nothing like the Tea Party. If he was, I won't hesitate in voting for him at the next election!

The only reason we haven't seen more far right ideology being passed is because we have a (thankfully) hostile senate. If the Federal parliament was unicameral rather than bicameral like in Qld Abbott's mob would very much resemble the US Tea Party.

 

[RUNVS]

Why

Education is supposed to be free, for all citizens. It is part of the social contract.

More importantly though the Liberals wanting to only fund the private schools shows they actually want to advantage the rich as it will mean the private schools will get so much more money than the public schools, meaning that the poor students won't have the same opportunities as the rich students all because Abbott does not like the poor and wants to see them stay poor and to me that is disgusting.

 

[Qsaint]

Education is supposed to be free, for all citizens. It is part of the social contract.

More importantly though the Liberals wanting to only fund the private schools shows they actually want to advantage the rich as it will mean the private schools will get so much more money than the public schools, meaning that the poor students won't have the same opportunities as the rich students all because Abbott does not like the poor and wants to see them stay poor and to me that is disgusting.

It's a funding model state v Feds it's got nothing to do with public v private

 

[Qsaint]

When was any of this flagged, and I wonder what happened to the unity ticket on Gonski?

New federalism abbots mantra for a while