Mega Thread All things Tony Abbott

[geelong_boy]

Captain Australia refuses to rule out stripping sole citizens in the wake of the latest international terrorist attacks:

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...tionals-would-face-legal-problems-expert-says

 

[Maggie5]

I have already benched myself, no way do I want to be on Abbott's Team Australia.

 

[Gough]

The Australian government is refusing to help Australian passports holders, children, in trouble overseas because the PM wants to look a tough guy. I've always considered grown men beating up on kids beyond contempt.

 

[Xsess]

Except the audience applauded the piece of s**t.

Glorifying him should be their undoing.

Even terrorists need to be supported, they are human beings and have rights you know.

Have you noticed Q & A and the ABC have been fascinated with Islam and Muslims from around September 2001, for some strange reason? Suddenly since then, members of this minority faith appear seemingly everywhere on the public broadcaster promoting their peaceful faith or targetting a Howard or Abbott government for some heinous security measure dreamed up to "vilify" terrorists. What I find interesting however is when the ticklish subject of gay marriage or homosexuality comes up - two of the ABC’s other favourite subjects - suddenly all Muslim guests, panel members and veiled heads in the audience, NTTAWWT, disappear. Strange.

 

[romeohwho]

And just when you think it can't get funnier Bill brings up Waleed Aly.

Waleed Aly is tops. Get around him GJ.

 

[GuruJane]

Those here who are seeking to minimise Man Monis preoccupations with Muslim terrorism might care to recall from the SMH:

Monis first popped up online with a website under his name in 2007, on which he posted pages of correspondence raving about everything from the threat of terrorism, the problems with anti-terror laws, the "damage" the Sunrise program was doing to society and blasting ASIO.

Extraordinarily, the website also purports to feature replies from politicians and officials including one from former Attorney General Philip Ruddock and other politicians, although the actual letters have been removed from the site.
Another letter was addressed to the then head of the Australia Secret Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) Paul O'Sullivan. The letter to ASIO appears under the heading of "media releases" and features a now disconnected link to a pdf purporting to be a letter Monis had faxed to ASIO head Mr O'Sullivan. Its title is: "I haven't heard from you. Did you get my report about terrorism?"

On his website, Monis describes himself and his associates as "non-sectarian" Muslims who "won't remain silent in public if anyone even a Muslim (hypocrites) tries to do Fitnah against Islam or Muslim community". Fitnah is understood to refer to rebellion or unrest.

The site linked to a series of YouTube videos, one of which featured a masked woman claiming to be a terrorist and was punctuated at the end with the sound of gunshots. Another video showed Monis lecturing at a mosque about Afghanistan and also ends with the sounds of gunshots.

Another post on his website mentioned Channel Seven's Sunrise show and the random statement: "n?"If you want to kill people why not use the tools of your own trade like plague or a disease or something? Why go into an area which you're clearly unqualified.

In another posting in 2008 he refers to himself in the third person, saying Sheikh Haron "has made himself prepared if the federal police decides to arrest him for publishing this message." He said he had packed a bag of personal things for the time he might spend in custody. "If he is charged by corrupted police, Sheikh Haron will fight for the peace, for the justice [sic]" he said online.
"The anti-terrorism law must apply equally to all Australians without any exception even if it is Sunrise from Channel Seven."

One of the videos featured a woman with only her eyes visible giving a lecture attacking Australia for its role in the war on terror and spitting after saying this is "what Australia soldiers deserve". Another video shows her reading a letter congratulating the families of the Bali bombers.

The channel Seven current affairs program Today Tonight eventually ran an expose about the fake sheikh. It also emerged that he had been writing letters to the families of fallen soldiers in Afghanistan. The woman in the videos had even handed one of the letters to one of the families at the soldier's funeral.
Many of the families were too shocked to comment, but Seven managed to get one parent to go on the record and condemn the actions. At the time in May 2007, Seven approached the Australian Federal Police for comment. The AFP confirmed being aware of the sheikh but would not confirm any investigation.

In 2009 the sheikh was charged over the sending of the offensive letters which referred to one deceased soldier as the "son of a dirty pig" and "dirty animal".
The letters urged the families to demand Australia withdraw troops from Afghanistan.

He was convicted last year and his High Court Appeal over the charges was rejected on Friday just three days before he launched his attack at Martin Place.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-si...-to-asio-for-seven-years-20141216-128544.html

Beyond belief Asio dropped this person from its watch list. Doubtful they will do the same to Mallah.[

 

[CM86]

Even terrorists need to be supported, they are human beings and have rights you know.

Have you noticed Q & A and the ABC have been fascinated with Islam and Muslims from around September 2001, for some strange reason? Suddenly since then, members of this minority faith appear seemingly everywhere on the public broadcaster promoting their peaceful faith or targetting a Howard or Abbott government for some heinous security measure dreamed up to "vilify" terrorists. What I find interesting however is when the ticklish subject of gay marriage or homosexuality comes up - two of the ABC’s other favourite subjects - suddenly all Muslim guests, panel members and veiled heads in the audience, NTTAWWT, disappear. Strange.

What the * is this idiocy?

Pure unadulterated bullshit.


The worse this government becomes, the more extreme your deflections become.

 

[Xsess]

What the **** is this idiocy?

Pure unadulterated bullshit.


The worse this government becomes, the more extreme your deflections become.

Bullshit? I watched 5 mins of the "special" Q&A about gay marriage - what do you know there were no black beards, no headscarves in the audience nor muslims on the panel? Perhaps the first time in the history of the show that has happened. There was however a lone Christian wheeled out, 80 year old Fred Nile. But where was the muslim opinion on this matter?

 

[Maggie5]

Seems that GJ's modus operandi when shown she is wrong is to deflect.
Haven't read many posts on this thread that anyone is minimising Monis at all.
A nutter who found religion and enjoyed assaulting women (notice the plural GJ?).

 

[CM86]

Bullshit? I watched 5 mins of the "special" Q&A about gay marriage - what do you know there were no black beards, no headscarves in the audience nor muslims on the panel? Perhaps the first time in the history of the show that has happened. There was however a lone Christian wheeled out, 80 year old Fred Nile. But where was the muslim opinion on this matter?

More bullshit!

You say you watched 5 mins of Q& A, and know for a fact that there were no muslims in the audience???
No Muslims on the panel? That happens all the time... Same with Buddhists...

Ignoring the fact that you jumped from what I called bullshit on, to a different load of bullshit.
I wonder what you will run to next.

The * is wrong with you?

 

[Pessimistic]

Thats a bit like indigenous people hunting and earing protected species, not everything fits neatly.

The right has its issues too, like labelling hard line religious terrorists lefty. Its like the crucifixion all over again

 

[placebo]

However, the hatred of Abbott by those here is perfectly rational.

There is nothing more that the PM would like than a terrorist attack, on Australian soil, with multiple deaths, preferably carried out by a Muslim, his penis would literally move. It's all he has.

So you can actually sit there with a straight face and say Abbott does not have 18th century views on women?

Probably because Abbott thinks the answer to domestic violence is less opinionated women.

It is always lol-worthy to see people pretend they are the 'reasonable' ones on a topic, whilst not realising they're fundamentally no different to the idiots they criticise. You guys are no different to rabid Bolt supporters. It's cute.

 

[CM86]

It is always lol-worthy to see people pretend they are the 'reasonable' ones on a topic, whilst not realising they're fundamentally no different to the idiots they criticise. You guys are no different to rabid Bolt supporters. It's cute.

Ironing.

 

[GuruJane]

Monis conspires to kill his wife - and it's 'just another murder'. If he waved an ISIL flag while doing it, we would have swathes of special legislation, a royal commission, news and media all over it and a task force with sweeping powers to stop it happening again.

Monis kills his wife and it's not that big a deal. Just another killing that gets no comment or airtime.

Malifice I don't know if you are aware but Monis was never convicted of being an accessory to the murder of his ex wife. He was bailed, the judge saying the evidence against him was weak.

Similarly in 2014 he had been charged with sexual assault offenses but had not been convicted.

The fact that he had not been convicted explains why there was no media fuss about it. They would have been constrained by the law from doing so.

So can we be enlightened as to why you, who always bangs on Big Footy about rule of law, is acting as judge and jury on Monis when there's never even been a trial. Why would that be, Malifice?

fyi, the only conviction that Monis had, as far as am aware, was for writing offensive and threatening letters to the families of Australians killed fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. That is a matter that goes more to terrorism than domestic violence. Furthermore Monis undertook the siege only three days after High Couirt rejected his appeal on that conviction, which strongly suggests that the siege was the direct result of that rejection. Not of domestic violence.

For the third time I ask you to withdraw your post which suggested that I denigrate the seriousness of domestic violence. You are a moderator and it should not be thought that you may have been deliberately dishonest for your own ideological purposes in attacking a BF poster.

 

[CM86]

Malifice I don't know if you are aware but Monis was never convicted of being an accessory to the murder of his ex wife. He was bailed, the judge saying the evidence against him was weak.

Similarly in 2014 he had been charged with sexual assault offenses but had not been convicted.

The fact that he had not been convicted explains why there was no media fuss about it. They would have been constrained by the law from doing so.

So can we be enlightened as to why you, who always bangs on Big Footy about rule of law, is acting as judge and jury on Monis when there's never even been a trial. Why would that be, Malifice?

fyi, the only conviction that Monis had, as far as am aware, was for writing offensive and threatening letters to the families of Australians killed fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. That is a matter that goes more to terrorism than domestic violence. Furthermore Monis undertook the siege only three days after High Couirt rejected his appeal on that conviction, which strongly suggests that the siege was the direct result of that rejection. Not of domestic violence.

For the third time I ask you to withdraw your post which suggested that I denigrate the seriousness of domestic violence. You are a moderator and it should not be thought that you may have been deliberately dishonest for your own ideological purposes in attacking a BF poster.

Off the horse. You are acting as judge and jury as to his reasoning for what he did.

Stop being such a bore and a hypocrite.

Mal, don't ever withdraw your post. GJ will trivialise whatever he wants in order to defend Abbott or deflect from another Abbott * up.

 

[Maggie5]

It is always lol-worthy to see people pretend they are the 'reasonable' ones on a topic, whilst not realising they're fundamentally no different to the idiots they criticise. You guys are no different to rabid Bolt supporters. It's cute.

At least unlike the person we are criticising, we are honest about it. Sadly can't say the same about Bolt or his followers, delusional? You betcha.

 

[Maggie5]

Hope that Abbott has some spare cash to help his heroine Kathy out.

Embattled former Health Services Union national secretary Kathy Jackson, who is accused of misusing $1.4 million of union funds, has filed for bankruptcy, throwing day one of her trial into turmoil.

 

[GuruJane]

Off the horse. You are acting as judge and jury as to his reasoning for what he did.

Stop being such a bore and a hypocrite.

Mal, don't ever withdraw your post. GJ will trivialise whatever he wants in order to defend Abbott or deflect from another Abbott **** up.

One thing Malifice has always been consistent about is the rule of law, of innocent until guilty. . He has written extensive posts about it for years.
Now he is discrediting his own credibility by posthumously convicting Monis. Beginning to look as if he's never sincerely meant a word of his previous highminded pontifications. Not a good look for a moderator, imo.

 

[CM86]

One thing Malifice has always been consistent about is the rule of law, of innocent until guilty. . He has written extensive posts about it for years.
Now he is discrediting his own credibility by posthumously convicting Monis. Beginning to look as if he's never sincerely meant a word of his previous highminded pontifications. Not a good look for a moderator, imo.

Yeah, I'll take your opinion on someone else's credibility with a grain of salt.

 

[Gough]

If we all agree Jane is the victim here, we can go back to discussion of this inept, nasty government.

 

[GuruJane]

Victims were Johnson and Dawson.

 

[Xsess]

The Australian government is refusing to help Australian passports holders, children, in trouble overseas because the PM wants to look a tough guy. I've always considered grown men beating up on kids beyond contempt.

You want to invade Syria and forceably retrieve them?

 

[pazza]

You want to invade Syria and forceably retrieve them?

No but, do the right thing and bring them home no questions asked, but, pay the wife for information about ISIL, which would be invaluable don't you think?

 

[Maggie5]

I think that what you need to keep in perspective GJ is that you want to make it about terrorism and that the only assault was on his wife.
The facts (you seem to like facts) is this person was mentally unstable, had a history of assaults on women, was known to security agencies and he slipped through their fingers resulting the deaths of innocent people.
If anyone deserves an apology it is the innocent people in the cafe and all other victims of crime that are committed by people who should be off our streets.
It is not about you nor terrorism.

 

[Xsess]

No but, do the right thing and bring them home no questions asked, but, pay the wife for information about ISIL, which would be invaluable don't you think?

Great idea, why doesnt that bastard Tony could get on the phone to his ISIS counterpart and arrange for him to escort them to a neutral country? Then he could bribe the wife who took them into Syria in the first place to provide intel on the terriorist organisation all evidence suggests she's part of.