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What now Hutchy praising Hirds courage.
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It actually isn't. Suggestions of possibilities have been some examples of what has been posted, but there have been many more drastic rubbish that has been posted and since deleted. There have been some shocking, shocking posts on this board in the last week. I'll grant you that my post was exaggerated to an extent, but it wasn't ill-informed or a misrepresentation of some utter s**t that has been posted.
Both Damo and Hutchy defending Hird - what's going on at Croc Media?
Found it on FB just before. Fitting, eh?
Seriously, I am ******* done with footy for a while, so it's probably a good thing it's the ******* off-season. How sad to see the rabble our once great club has become.
Zach Package
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Damo reckons Dank is about to reign legal blows down upon ASADA, the AFL and bizarrely enough, Essendon and other individuals.
Massive grain of salt stuff because Purple is a *, but that's apparently close to happening
Massive grain of salt stuff because Purple is a *, but that's apparently close to happening
It's almost like some in the media don't have a backbone and just like causing trouble. Knock me over with a feather.
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It would be a great exercise to see how many stories on this were broken on this topic by Caro in the last few months. I'm tipping that the numbers drop off dramatically, but I'm not sure at what point this happens.
Wait, Damien f*cking Barrett is defending Hirdy now?
F*ck me, you could not write this s**t if you sat down on an acid trip. We must all be collectively losing the plot.
Think it just goes to show the propensity of the media to not stick to any one argument, which is why I think doing ANYTHING to appease them rather than making sure we make a rational, conclusive decision based with all the ACTUAL stakeholders in mind (players, supporters, staff, sponsors, everyone else, in that feckin order) would be an absolute utensil up to the nth degree. For instance, the moment we start looking like we'll move Hird on to end the saga (don't agree with it but not the point), the same people who called for his public guillotining start defending his character and start attacking the board or whatever. Our club is going to be mired in the poopoo for some time yet, and the media loves it. We've gotta tackle problems as they come as a united front, and if we're not united, at least not act like complete idiots about it. We can't just be trying to keep everything hush-hush and not speak word of the evil H-man to make the problem go away - because it's not going to.
Whatever our decision is going forward, it better ******* be rational and considered, or we'll suffer.
Your move, Essendon board. Don't * up.
F*ck me, you could not write this s**t if you sat down on an acid trip. We must all be collectively losing the plot.
Think it just goes to show the propensity of the media to not stick to any one argument, which is why I think doing ANYTHING to appease them rather than making sure we make a rational, conclusive decision based with all the ACTUAL stakeholders in mind (players, supporters, staff, sponsors, everyone else, in that feckin order) would be an absolute utensil up to the nth degree. For instance, the moment we start looking like we'll move Hird on to end the saga (don't agree with it but not the point), the same people who called for his public guillotining start defending his character and start attacking the board or whatever. Our club is going to be mired in the poopoo for some time yet, and the media loves it. We've gotta tackle problems as they come as a united front, and if we're not united, at least not act like complete idiots about it. We can't just be trying to keep everything hush-hush and not speak word of the evil H-man to make the problem go away - because it's not going to.
Whatever our decision is going forward, it better ******* be rational and considered, or we'll suffer.
Your move, Essendon board. Don't * up.
An end to the saga would mean Barrett has to go on the footy show with actual stories, he isn't good at that. He'd be absolutely exposed again
"such and such will ask for a trade" then they sign. That type of thing.
He needs:
Penis - "Essendon will have a crisis meeting today to decide what they might do in relation to the latest development"
Lyon - "Once again with the news, you called it first"
more than any other communication specialist in the game.
What should the board do?
I'm unsure.
I'm unsure.
You people tuning into Footy Classified are truly ****ed!
Anyway, turn your sound up:
Anyway, turn your sound up:
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Problem for the board is that if Hird is sacked but wins the appeal they will be replaced and Hird back in job before christmas.
Zach Package
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and the worst part is that's not the board's biggest problem
I would like the board to back Hird's right to appeal and confirm it won't affect his coaching position. No need for a hasty decision. Thompson knew the deal for over a year so accept it or move on. Nothing can happen regarding ASADA until appeal heard anyway, and what is another 4 weeks in off season anyway?
The current situation has the AFLs grubby hands all over it. I wouldn't be. Surprised if even the L. Mathews comment was orchestrated.
The current situation has the AFLs grubby hands all over it. I wouldn't be. Surprised if even the L. Mathews comment was orchestrated.
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I hope the board waits until after Thursday before making a rash decision.
We will know on Thursday whether the appeal will be heard at the end of this month OR February next year.
IF the hearing isn't until Feb next year.. then it gives Hird the option of withdrawing to save the players the 'stress' and he can continue coaching.
If the appeal isn't until Feb and ASADA are pricks and don't allow the process to continue.. the I think the board has to make a decision on Hird's future.
I don't want he process delayed for four months for an appeal that is unlikely to succeed.
It isn't right but this s**t has to be sorted out before December this year. The players must have some certainty about their future.
We will know on Thursday whether the appeal will be heard at the end of this month OR February next year.
IF the hearing isn't until Feb next year.. then it gives Hird the option of withdrawing to save the players the 'stress' and he can continue coaching.
If the appeal isn't until Feb and ASADA are pricks and don't allow the process to continue.. the I think the board has to make a decision on Hird's future.
I don't want he process delayed for four months for an appeal that is unlikely to succeed.
It isn't right but this s**t has to be sorted out before December this year. The players must have some certainty about their future.
Ben the Gooner
Stand by Hird
I just sent this to the Club. I feel it best summarises my thoughts on the matter.
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ATTN: Mr Paul Little - Re: James Hird
Dear Mr Little,
It is with a sense of futility that I write this email, because the Club's actions since February 5, 2013 indicate a complete lack of respect for or deference to the wishes of members. However the James Hird I grew up idolising would never have let something as important to him as this is to me lie without doing what he could, so it is out of respect to him that I send this now. I don't expect a reply, because as far as I'm concerned, as a 17-year member (a member since I was 5 years old), I'm viewed by the Club as nothing more than a faceless $50 donation to pay for whatever the latest settlement to protect the AFL's interests is.
Nonetheless, here goes...
It is with great concern that I note the frankly ludicrous speculation around James Hird's future on the back of his decision to exercise his inalienable right to defend himself and his players in our legal system. It is with even greater concern that I note the downright embarrassing lack of a position which the club has taken in regard to James' future. As far as I'm concerned, some values are non-negotiable. One is the principle of innocence until proof of guilt. Another is the right of every individual to defend themselves from accusations they believe to be erroneous. Another is loyalty to those who have earnt it. My strong belief is that the likely termination of James' contract on Monday is in direct contradiction of all three of those values. I find it incredibly difficult to reconcile actions which so brazenly contradict my personal belief system with continued financial support (thousands of dollars a year) of what can only be described as an organisation lacking in values and principles.
Since February 5, 2013, James is the only person involved in this debacle whose actions have shown a consistency of principles and a firm belief in natural justice. This is in stark contrast to the actions of the Club in the same period. I won't speak to some of the disastrous and crippling decisions made by your immediate predecessor, decisions which have been more damaging to the club than anything Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson could ever have done, but in your relatively short tenure as Chairman, we have become a Club where the following are examples of normal and expected behaviour:
Conversely, I believe in the same time period, James would have only three significant regrets:
I would be absolutely disgusted as a member if the results of the vote regarding James' future on Monday were not made public, including a complete list of which Director voted which way. For too long the members have been viewed as nothing more than an endless bank account for the Club, worthy of nothing more than another patronising video imploring us to support the Club (is record membership in spite of the complete capitulation of August 2013 not enough for you Mr Little?). It is time we were treated with the respect that we deserve. It is time we know exactly what each member of our Board stands for, going into an Extraordinary General Meeting (incidentally, the lack of communication regarding this has not been overlooked) and an Annual General Meeting before the end of the year. It is time for the Board to have the courage of its convictions. The courage James is showing.
As I said at the outset, I do not expect a genuine response to this email because I know how I'm viewed by the Club: $50 here and $50 there. I have no doubt it will be added to a long list of emails which receive no more than a cursory glance and a generic and patronising response, but know this, Mr Little: I have been a member of this Club since I was 5 years old. Membership year on year has been a non-negotiable. I was always exceedingly proud to support a Club of the calibre of the Essendon Football Club. A club that since the days of Kevin Sheedy, in the (paraphrased) words of Kevin Sheedy, has been about its people. Today however, I was embarrassed. For the first time in my life, embarrassed to be an Essendon fan. Embarrassed to support an organisation so lacking in principles, principles which I hold so important in my life. For 17 years membership of the EFC has been an important part of my life. Today I consider an 18th year unlikely. The only benefit I can see to continuing as a member is to retain voting rights for the next three months. For that to be the case is perhaps the greatest shame in this Club's history.
I implore you, Mr Little, please, for the sake of this great Club, do the principled thing. Do the just thing. Do what James would do.
Kind regards,
<name redacted>
<membership number redacted>
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ATTN: Mr Paul Little - Re: James Hird
Dear Mr Little,
It is with a sense of futility that I write this email, because the Club's actions since February 5, 2013 indicate a complete lack of respect for or deference to the wishes of members. However the James Hird I grew up idolising would never have let something as important to him as this is to me lie without doing what he could, so it is out of respect to him that I send this now. I don't expect a reply, because as far as I'm concerned, as a 17-year member (a member since I was 5 years old), I'm viewed by the Club as nothing more than a faceless $50 donation to pay for whatever the latest settlement to protect the AFL's interests is.
Nonetheless, here goes...
It is with great concern that I note the frankly ludicrous speculation around James Hird's future on the back of his decision to exercise his inalienable right to defend himself and his players in our legal system. It is with even greater concern that I note the downright embarrassing lack of a position which the club has taken in regard to James' future. As far as I'm concerned, some values are non-negotiable. One is the principle of innocence until proof of guilt. Another is the right of every individual to defend themselves from accusations they believe to be erroneous. Another is loyalty to those who have earnt it. My strong belief is that the likely termination of James' contract on Monday is in direct contradiction of all three of those values. I find it incredibly difficult to reconcile actions which so brazenly contradict my personal belief system with continued financial support (thousands of dollars a year) of what can only be described as an organisation lacking in values and principles.
Since February 5, 2013, James is the only person involved in this debacle whose actions have shown a consistency of principles and a firm belief in natural justice. This is in stark contrast to the actions of the Club in the same period. I won't speak to some of the disastrous and crippling decisions made by your immediate predecessor, decisions which have been more damaging to the club than anything Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson could ever have done, but in your relatively short tenure as Chairman, we have become a Club where the following are examples of normal and expected behaviour:
- Failure to reveal the truth about "Sarah", the fraud whom the AFL commissioned to falsely play the role of a player's mother, besmirching the Club's name irreparably
- Threatening to show the sort of courage of which all members could be proud by taking the AFL's illegal dealings to court, then meekly surrendering
- Accepting penalties commensurate with wilful and systematic drug cheating without a single player being charged, let alone found guilty
- Wilfully and knowingly misleading members during the 2013 season in order to ensure continued financial support before removing the players' and fans' right to a finals appearance
- Bullying James Hird into accepting penalties he believed to be groundless and inherently unfair, denying him natural justice
- Deeming a legal challenge to determine the legality or otherwise of the ASADA joint investigation to be a justifiable use of members' money (especially at a time when the Club is actively pressuring members into donating significant sums of money to the Club), yet deeming a continuation of that very same legal action to be a sackable offence
Conversely, I believe in the same time period, James would have only three significant regrets:
- Trusting his close friend, your predecessor;
- Trusting the advice of the AFL-planted rat Elizabeth Lukin on the morning of February 5, 2013; and
- Not standing up for himself in late August 2013, instead deferring to the Club's wishes (note: loyalty) and circling yes on a piece of paper, too emotional to even speak
I would be absolutely disgusted as a member if the results of the vote regarding James' future on Monday were not made public, including a complete list of which Director voted which way. For too long the members have been viewed as nothing more than an endless bank account for the Club, worthy of nothing more than another patronising video imploring us to support the Club (is record membership in spite of the complete capitulation of August 2013 not enough for you Mr Little?). It is time we were treated with the respect that we deserve. It is time we know exactly what each member of our Board stands for, going into an Extraordinary General Meeting (incidentally, the lack of communication regarding this has not been overlooked) and an Annual General Meeting before the end of the year. It is time for the Board to have the courage of its convictions. The courage James is showing.
As I said at the outset, I do not expect a genuine response to this email because I know how I'm viewed by the Club: $50 here and $50 there. I have no doubt it will be added to a long list of emails which receive no more than a cursory glance and a generic and patronising response, but know this, Mr Little: I have been a member of this Club since I was 5 years old. Membership year on year has been a non-negotiable. I was always exceedingly proud to support a Club of the calibre of the Essendon Football Club. A club that since the days of Kevin Sheedy, in the (paraphrased) words of Kevin Sheedy, has been about its people. Today however, I was embarrassed. For the first time in my life, embarrassed to be an Essendon fan. Embarrassed to support an organisation so lacking in principles, principles which I hold so important in my life. For 17 years membership of the EFC has been an important part of my life. Today I consider an 18th year unlikely. The only benefit I can see to continuing as a member is to retain voting rights for the next three months. For that to be the case is perhaps the greatest shame in this Club's history.
I implore you, Mr Little, please, for the sake of this great Club, do the principled thing. Do the just thing. Do what James would do.
Kind regards,
<name redacted>
<membership number redacted>
Ben the Gooner
Stand by Hird
I used to be proud of my club. Now I'm embarrassed.
Zach Package
Prespakis2Tsatas
amazing how eloquent rage can make you hey Ben the Gooner
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