Saga should be over soon.

[interestedoz1]

Wouldn't the fastest way to get this resolved be to have it referred straight to CAS?

 

[Gigantor]

cases to answer implies any part of the process.

but it's the ADRV Panel process which determines that athletes have a case to answer
and Downes would have used his considerable experience to tick that off, and furthermore, to ensure the process was sufficiently sound to ward off appeals to the AAT
but that is different to ensuring that the briefs of evidence are sufficient to nail all 34 players at the tribunal stage

 

[Tiger2709]

although there is no evidence that the person you speak of supplied anything directly to Essendon

Do you mean no evidence that you know of, as that is not the same thing as you are stating.

 

[threesixpio]

Sorry if this has been posted already but this thread joins the great pantheon of 'over soon' HTB threads.

Enjoy.

From 15th May 2013

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/over-soon.1006180/

28th June 2013

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/over-soon.1015631/

We need a "Get ready for a never ending Eternal Legal Battle for ever and ever and ever times infinity" thread for balance.

 

[blue healer]

but once again, the onus is 100% on ASADA to prove use
not just the sniff of a suspicion that TB4 was within coo-ee of the club
but to prove that each and everyone one of the 34 players was administered with TB4

Well let's just wait and see what comes out because none of us know what they have. But we do know that ASADA have had what flimsy evidence they have tested and have proceeded to SCN's.

 

[Argy]

wowee - now our resident gossip columnist is telling about what he hears at a buck show
haha - do you read who magazine as well
people not liking james and laughing at EFC - oh no, we are doomed

He's not alone. I have heard the same thing from contacts within the AFLPA.

 

[Tiger2709]

the evidence we have seen in the public domain is of dealings between Charter and Alavi (also, we only have Charter's testimony as to the relationship between Dank and himself)
Charter's evidence to ASADA, at interview, is that he has no direct knowledge of Essendon's supplements program
so I think we can conclude that there is no evidence of Charter having delivered anything directly to the EFC

Does the supplier of food products to a restaurant necessarily know the restaurants menu?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

On Big footy they do sure. In the real world where we all live no one gives a s**t. Society is about the current thing.


Ergo we didn't dope?

You don't get out a lot do you and you obviously don't go to any tiger games as well I gather, you think no one after this saga is going to give s**t to Essendon supporters, if that's what you think then I suggest you stay home.

 

[Gigantor]

Do you mean no evidence that you know of, as that is not the same thing as you are stating.

agreed
I am going off what is in the public domain
but there is a strong likelihood that ASADA do not have much more, if we are to believe the PA

 

[Argy]

Did he say why they dislike Hird so much?

Is it because they generally think he cheated, or was it the way he handled himself during the saga?

Generally interested, not after any names just info.

In the case of my contacts it is that he deliberately put the player's health at risk and will not take responsibility for what he did.

 

[Gigantor]

Well let's just wait and see what comes out because none of us know what they have. But we do know that ASADA have had what flimsy evidence they have tested and have proceeded to SCN's.

yes, they have
but we all now know that you only need flimsy evidence to proceed to SCNs

 

[blue healer]

yes, they have
but we all now know that you only need flimsy evidence to proceed to SCNs

With due respect I think we all know jack s**t but some of us like to pretend we know more.

 

[brmiau]

yes, they have
but we all now know that you only need flimsy evidence to proceed to SCNs

I think the evidence needs to be a little more than flimsy to proceed with SCN's to athletes. To suggest anything else is ridiculous.

 

[Gigantor]

With due respect I think we all know jack s**t but some of us like to pretend we know more.

in terms of the burden of proof to go to the ADRV Panel?
of course we know
it's black and white in the NAD scheme
they only need the merest sniff of suspicion

 

[Gigantor]

I think the evidence needs to be a little more than flimsy to proceed with SCN's to athletes. To suggest anything else is ridiculous.

would you like me to quote the NAD scheme?
they need bugger all evidence to get to that stage

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Should be a piece of pish for Essendon from here, just show the supply chain of Thymomodulin into the club and all clear. If the players have taken Thymomodulin then someone has supplied it and invoiced for it, and someone has paid for it. Should be pretty simple, drugs just dont appear out of thin air.

 

[tesla1962]

H

The difference between my mail and Foggy's is that mine comes from an opposition coach who has been at 3 separate AFL clubs, while Foggy's is the EFC media dept.

hahaha Echols the new improved fogdog for the afl - give it up mate people are laughing at you now

 

[tesla1962]

He's not alone. I have heard the same thing from contacts within the AFLPA.

Golly gee - how will the club cope

 

[Belnakor]

Should be a piece of pish for Essendon from here, just show the supply chain of Thymomodulin into the club and all clear. If the players have taken Thymomodulin then someone has supplied it and invoiced for it, and someone has paid for it. Should be pretty simple, drugs just dont appear out of thin air.

Essendon are going with basically the "dog ate my homework" excuse for that one. they don't have any Thymomodulin invoices. if they did they would have been leaked months ago.

 

[blue healer]

H
hahaha Echols the new improved fogdog for the afl - give it up mate people are laughing at you now

Speaking for myself I've had a lot more laughs from posters on your side than I have from Echols.

 

[TaylorMade]

Asadas key witnesses are a convicted drug dealer and a dodgy pharmacist.

They were also the suppliers in your clubs supplement scheme. Says more about Essendon & Hird than it does ASADA.

Where else would they get their witnesses from?

Hardly ASADA's fault that the only people involved in your clubs scheme were a bunch of cheats, crooks and dodgy doctors.

 

[brmiau]

Golly gee - how will the club cope

They won't cope, they'll be up s**t creek without a paddle..

 

[Belnakor]

a bunch of cheats, crooks and dodgy doctors.

and that was just the guys directly employed by Essendon.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

H
hahaha Echols the new improved fogdog for the afl - give it up mate people are laughing at you now

Your really not very good at comprehension are you?

Have you finished school yet?

 

[Thrawn]

interesting take on it. The only way a "lettuce leaf slap" can come is via a deal, not via a tribunal.

I'd say the players have clearly been given a "wink wink" that the evidence isn't going to hold up at the tribunal, like some of us have said for ages, and that they want to get it tested.

If they thought the evidence was strong the statement would be talking about approaching ASADA for deals. The writing is on the wall people.

Or maybe the players are getting terrible advice by not taking any deals, like Essendon had of "winning" their Federal court case.