Analysis Adams, Fasolo, Seedsman, Sinclair, Thomas, Williams

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THATSGOLD said:
I don't understand the Elliott in the midfeild thing. I would've thought with our already shortish midfeild that he doesn't help there.
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Class trumps height. He could easily carve out a stellar midfield career as long as tank ok. He plays tall with the marking anyway.
 
Gone Critical said:
Class trumps height. He could easily carve out a stellar midfield career as long as tank ok. He plays tall with the marking anyway.
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We don't have class in the midfeild. We have Pendlebury and then a real lack of height. De Goey was a good selection for the future. Elliott in the middle with Adams Greenwood Blair Varcoe Thomas Dwyer Sidebottom is asking to get smashed by the bigger harder bodied midfield groups.
 
Gone Critical said:
Class trumps height. He could easily carve out a stellar midfield career as long as tank ok. He plays tall with the marking anyway.
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Am I the only one who doesn't see Elliot as a full time mid ever? He has a nice kick but I don't see him winning enough of the ball.

Will be rotated through occasionally though but mostly forward pocket
 

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Kappa said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see Elliot as a full time mid ever? He has a nice kick but I don't see him winning enough of the ball.

Will be rotated through occasionally though but mostly forward pocket
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Yeah I don't get it, we already struggle to kick goals anyway so why take out our best small forward? In saying that I don't mind him going in as a part of midfield rotations, but definitely not full time.

His greatest strengths are his marking (uncontested and contested) and his leap and going into the midfield basically takes both of those away.
 
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Reykjavik said:
Having a look at what went wrong last season, and what needs to go right next season, and for me the following names are worth another look.

For mine, when you look for players to be stepping up as older players wane, you look squarely at the ones who have been there 3-4 seasons and are at that critical point around 50 games. These are the guys you are counting on to step up to consistent accountable roles. Its no longer enough to be list position 20-30 for these guys, they need to be commanding higher ratings and doing the job week in week out.

All the guys I've listed were in that bracket, and for a variety of reasons, often injury related, had what for mine were poor years.

Looking to next season then, and I ask, which of these do you think can become the regular contrbutors we missed from 2014? The reason I guess I ended up focussing on these guys was a feeling that there is actually room for significant improvement in output here, injury willing, and though we focus on Reid, etc, or Freeman, or the new recruits, its actually these guys who will have the biggest impact because of where they sit in our list demographics.

If anyone needs to "******* step up", I think it's these guys front and centre, who have both the need and the capability given how long they have been in the system and their experience. If they dont, we face some problems, because out of their cohort, only Elliott looks like a definite win andd that's not enough.

Adams: Entering his 4th season at 21, with 43 games to date. In some ways comes with the most expectations. Luke Ball's spot beckons, needs to really nail it and play every game well or we will be struggling heavily in the middle.

2014 performance: 12 games 19.2 ppg.
2015 needs: Inside clearance leader.

Fasolo: Entering his 5th season at 22, and has played 52 games so far. Forward, back, nothing? Injury cruelled for two seasons, now needs a good pre season and a consistent run in one position. HFF is it for mine.

2014 performance: 12 games 15 ppg, 7 goals
2015 needs: creative forward setting up play and getting 20+ of his own.

Seedsman: Entering his 5th season at 23, has only 37 games to his name in 4 complete seasons. No longer the skinny lad, with the loss of Lumumba and the poor performance of Young at times, should be owning a running half back/wing place. Hip injury didnt help, but seemed to take a step backwards last season. Not young any more.

2014 performace: 9 games 15.6 ppg.
2015 needs: break the lines drive from defence or we will never get it out of there. Or is it Varcoe and no more Seed?

Sinclair: Entering his 6th season at 23, and has played 44 games. The once rising star has hit many roadblocks, not least persistent hamstrings last season. Forward or back? My gut says we need him back and release Marley upfield, but he needs to stay on the park first. Another who went backwards though injury made it hard to judge.

2014 performance: 5 games 14.6 ppg.
2015 needs: cement a small defender role.

J Thomas: Entering his 6th season at 23, with 32 games. Was almost most disappointed in JT of all last season. Really needed his more mature body, and apart from the GWS game was underwhelming. Will the real JT please stand up? Stats a little hard to gague as he was a sub sometimes, but did have an annoying tendency to go missing. Too experienced for excuses

2014 performance: 13 games 17.2 ppg
2015 needs: linking midfielder, with 20+ ppg consistently.

Williams: Entering his 4th season at 21. So far 37 games for Marley, with a disappointing 2014 understandably after the start he had. Needs to claw back that ground in 2015, and perhaps a change of role beckons.

2014 performance: 15 games, 17.5 ppg
2015 needs: move upfield and hurt opponents more with disposal.


So, who do you think of these could have the kind of season we need? If they do, can we get to finals?
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Ripper post, best of the year so far
 
All these guys had their years ruined by injury at the very start of the season, Williams had other well covered issues.

We need all of them to step up this year or at the very least most of them.

Williams should only get better

Seedy and Faz run the risk of being unfulfilled talent, now is the time for both of them to arrive.

Sinclair needs to come back and get the best out of himself

Kennedy needs to show he has the tank for AFL and build on the promise.
 
If he can string some consistancy together, Josh Thomas could become a very good player for Collingwood. There were a number of games in 2014 in which he played quite well in. He could be on the verge of having a breakout season.
 
Gone Critical said:
That's 3 guys who haven't played yet and 1 who has had a promising 8 games but isn't established in the 22 yet

I would see it the other way. They need to prove they can go past Elliott which none do them may do in their career. Elliott is potential A grade the others are kids
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And Elliott who has played barely any time in the midfield...

As midfielders they haven't proven much yet, but my bet is the 2 top 10 draft pick that were recruited as midfielders are going to establish themselves as midfielders before Elliott.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Pretty simple concept, hes a star in the making
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In the midfield? Would've thought he was more of an opportunist forward, that's all he's shown to date. Hasn't played a single minute from the centre bounce so how all of a sudden he's turning in to a superstar midfielder of the comp as got me baffled.
 
THATSGOLD said:
In the midfield? Would've thought he was more of an opportunist forward, that's all he's shown to date. Hasn't played a single minute from the centre bounce so how all of a sudden he's turning in to a superstar midfielder of the comp as got me baffled.
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i think everybody gets the concept that you disagree. Peter Daicos spent a large part of his career in the middle too. As did Alan Didak. And Chappy who i mentioned earlier. You're pigeon holing Elliot who has himself announced publically that hed like to develop into a midfielder. No harm in trying.

I am not a believer in "specialist small forwards" ala Stephen Milne. When they go missing there is no plan B and they just become liabilities. Players like Fasolo and Elliot needs to have other strings to their bows
 
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Timmy from Thomastown said:
i think everybody gets the concept that you disagree. Peter Daicos spent a large part of his career in the middle too. As did Alan Didak. And Chappy who i mentioned earlier. You're pigeon holing Elliot who has himself announced publically that hed like to develop into a midfielder. No harm in trying.

I am not a believer in "specialist small forwards" ala Stephen Milne. When they go missing there is no plan B and they just become liabilities. Players like Fasolo and Elliot needs to have other strings to their bows
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I dissagree, Hawthorn have three specialist forwards. Breust, Rioli and Puopolo. When they go missing they still put on forward pressure and trap the ball inside 50. Rioli and Breust's worst is Goldsack and Blair's average.
 

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Apex36 said:
Could easily be Dutch. Clog wog!
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Sorry Apex. Good try but no skin pigmentation equals no membership. Us wogs have worked hard to develop a niche amongst Australians and we are not about to let these pigmentless people stroll in and change what we have worked so hard to create.
I am a reasonable guy so the chinks, gooks, curry munchers and coconuts I will accept as associate wogs. But no poms crouts or other nationalities who are unable to obtain a tan
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
i think everybody gets the concept that you disagree. Peter Daicos spent a large part of his career in the middle too. As did Alan Didak. And Chappy who i mentioned earlier. You're pigeon holing Elliot who has himself announced publically that hed like to develop into a midfielder. No harm in trying.

I am not a believer in "specialist small forwards" ala Stephen Milne. When they go missing there is no plan B and they just become liabilities. Players like Fasolo and Elliot needs to have other strings to their bows
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Elliott is much much shorter than Didak and Dacios. I don't see him making it as a midfielder. Don't even know if Buckley has plans for him to play there in 2015.
 
ottoman said:
Sorry Apex. Good try but no skin pigmentation equals no membership. Us wogs have worked hard to develop a niche amongst Australians and we are not about to let these pigmentless people stroll in and change what we have worked so hard to create.
I am a reasonable guy so the chinks, gooks, curry munchers and coconuts I will accept as associate wogs. But no poms crouts or other nationalities who are unable to obtain a tan
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Skin pigmentation is of no consequence when referring to the Dutch as clog wogs. I should know, I have quite a few relatives hailing from that part of the world, and they are commonly referred to as such, and have been for a good 50 years now :p
 
THATSGOLD said:
Most likely he's of German origin. Id put money on that.
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Germanic name, could come from any Germanic country, so Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, and even South Africa (Afrikaaners are descended from the Dutch) are all strong candidates.
 
Fasolo would be Italian heritage........ Thats probably as close to the Macedonian marvels heritage as any.
 
WWSD said:
If he can string some consistancy together, Josh Thomas could become a very good player for Collingwood. There were a number of games in 2014 in which he played quite well in. He could be on the verge of having a breakout season.
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He had a Good game vs GWS but It was GWS
 
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