Essendon's Penalty

[DapperJong]

Here's a more interesting exercise: explain what colour the sky is, without using the word "blue".

at night it's black m8

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Is losing premiership points from a season 3 years ago actually a penalty?

I would have thought being consigned to last in those years is a notable inclusion in a raft of penalties.

 

[Thrawn]

anyone who buys the "governance" line is just a fool. An utter fool.

The AFL have already punished Essendon. Regardless of the outcome of the tribunal they won't be doing so again.

This thread is funny. This board is funny. Same old same old, over and over again.

You're the fool. This post explains it nicely.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You're the fool. This post explains it nicely.

I'm not entirely surprised you slurp up the PR message so readily to be honest

 

[Thrawn]

I'm not entirely surprised you slurp up the PR message so readily to be honest

Essendon negotiated with the AFL to not include doping as part of the punishment.

Instead, you were punished for lack of record keeping and bringing the game into disrepute (which you are still doing).

Get your head out of your arse.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Essendon negotiated with the AFL to not include doping as part of the punishment.

Instead, you were punished for lack of record keeping and bringing the game into disrepute (which you are still doing).

Get your head out of your arse.

so, so naive

 

[moistie]

so, so naive

You mean Little lied when he said the punishment was for failure to keep adequate records?

 

[Cronos]

You mean Little lied when he said the punishment was for failure to keep adequate records?

That can't be so! EFC have always been honest with all!

While we all know the penalties related to drug use, Essendon fans have been screaming from the rooftops since then that they haven't been found guilty, nor punished for prohibited substance use. Your chairman went out of his way to ensure that it was very, very clear that the penalties were not for drug use. We saw through it then, and we still see through it now.

At the same time, we all said it was going to bite them in the ass when the guilty verdict finally come down. How can anyone say they've already been punished for use of prohibited substances, when it was made absolutely crystal clear, and repeated regularly by the club that they haven't been punished for use of prohibited substances. Hope Little's wearing his bite-proof underpants.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

so, so naive

So this whole time you've been asking for proof of drug cheating all you've really wanted is for someone to point to the governance penalties?

 

[Proper Gander]

because they've already punished them for it.

Yes, the AFL should have waited. But they didn't.

Remember the big hearing about this? The 3 day hearing with the lawyers at 12 steps? The one where EFC agreed to the penalties and Hird dropped the court action?

If anyone thinks that was done without an iron-clad guarantee of no "double-jeopardy" then they are naive.

Nail on head moment. I'm sure that is what went down. If EFC or the senior counsel they had doing the handholding believed that the AFL had any authority to issue any type of guarantee in respect of player INs, then they were naive. But I agree further sanctions from AFL is off the table. Little will have that in writing somewhere signed in blood.

 

[H2F]

Lance change your name to Spartacus mate.
I'll back you...
I'm Spartacus

 

[DapperJong]

Essendon negotiated with the AFL to not include doping as part of the punishment.

Consider this sentence again.

 

[mxett]

Carlton's players didn't experience an economic loss from the club's actions. In fact there was a net benefit to them - they were paid above the salary cap.

I was in no way comparing their crime, I was saying their penalties cannot be compared when discussing their ongoing viability because Carlton didnt suffer ongoing law suits

 

[mxett]

Carlton players are not at higher risk of children being borm demented or early cancer

Unlike Essendon players

you know this for a fact do you?

I don't want to see the Essendon Club fold. But I do recognise that (if found guilty) this could be the worst systemic performance enhancing scheme going on in any sport in the world..

Even if found guilty I dont think this would be the case. If as has been suggested Dank didnt know TB4 was banned the intention was never to dope the players. This should never be considered comparable to organisations that knowingly gave PEDs to players

 

[CountryRace]

you know this for a fact do you?
Even if found guilty I dont think this would be the case. If as has been suggested Dank didnt know TB4 was banned the intention was never to dope the players. This should never be considered comparable to organisations that knowingly gave PEDs to players

Do you know for a fact Essendon players health are at a no greater risk of cancer?

And children and potential children have no greater risk of deformity?

I can only quote medical experts

 

[Reality rules]

If they are found guilty, make them listen to "Helen Reddy - The Las Vegas Years" over and over again.

 

[mxett]

Do you know for a fact Essendon players health are at a no greater risk of cancer?

And children and potential children have no greater risk of deformity?

I can only quote medical experts

I never made the claim they were at greater risk like you did you twit! It's basically an unknown

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I don't think people realise how much the bans are gonna smash the club.

If players are banned the only further punishment should be stripping them of their first round pick for any year in which they have players banned (this will still see them enter the draft at pick 19).

 

[CountryRace]

I never made the claim they were at greater risk like you did you twit! It's basically an unknown

You and I both seem unsure.

Hence we should revert to the profession advice.

Which states child deformitive and cancer risks are higher than non drug cheats.

Oh Albert.

I can live with ( the only person ever). twice done for taking the game into disrepute. But I just pray no one dies

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Loss of points will mean nothing when the players are banned. They won't be winning a single game.

 

[CountryRace]

Loss of points will mean nothing when the players are banned. They won't be winning a single game.

Unless they go minus 45/60 points

To start with

Similar to Italian football team penalty for cheating

 

[Laphroaig]

I was in no way comparing their crime, I was saying their penalties cannot be compared when discussing their ongoing viability because Carlton didnt suffer ongoing law suits

Irrelevant.

It's like somebody saying (in fact somebody recently did and was laughed at by one and all, including the magistrate) "I shouldn't be punished for damaging running into an innocent motorist while I was texting and had in fact sent dozens of texts in the previous minutes while driving my car. FFS I've got an expensive car and the repair bill is going to be a bitch."

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Unless they go minus 45/60 points

To start with

Similar to Italian football team penalty for cheating

Still won't matter. They finish last on 0 points regardless of whether or not they get stripped/start behind/whatever.

 

[mxett]

You and I both seem unsure.

Hence we should revert to the profession advice.

Which states child deformitive and cancer risks are higher than non drug cheats.

Oh Albert.

I can live with ( the only person ever). twice done for taking the game into disrepute. But I just pray no one dies

can you point out where medical experts have said essendon players are now at great risk of child deformities and cancer?

 

[CountryRace]

Still won't matter. They finish last on 0 points regardless of whether or not they get stripped/start behind/whatever.

Could finish on minus 20/30

Depending on how many games the top up players lose