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No, I haven't heard of your no-name flog who you are about to claim is the next Judd/Kenerhan/Silvagni...
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Chris Pelchen - Worst recruiter in the history of the AFL
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No, I haven't heard of your no-name flog who you are about to claim is the next Judd/Kenerhan/Silvagni...
Bingo!
All of Hawthorn's 2004-2008 results should be credited to the list manager who came in before Pelchen, as he was the bloke who picked most of the players. The bulk of Pelchen's picks didn't start getting a game until 2009-2011 and look what happened when they did
You really are a dim w***er. Either Pelchen had as many top ten picks as Carltank, in which case he recruited Bud/Rough/Lewis (he didn't), or he started in 2005 and had fewer picks (incl 3 number ones) as your precious ********, who, incidentally, haven't beaten Hawthorn since that time.
Say what you want about Pelchen's blunders, but he hasn't screwed up half as much as Wayne Hughes.
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Wouldn't get close to 3.5 either way.
Reality doesn't mean setting your own margins nor is it comparing 3 games to a career average.
Is it amateur hour in the Bay again?
At 24 years old Franklin has 2 AAs, 1 Coleman a BnF and 2nd in the mVP. You can't use age as an excuse when talking 24 year olds.
7 years of all the draft picks in the world and Carlton haven't made it any higher than 7th. Disappointing.
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You really are a dim w***er. Either Pelchen had as many top ten picks as Carltank, in which case he recruited Bud/Rough/Lewis (he didn't), or he started in 2005 and had fewer picks (incl 3 number ones) as your precious ********, who, incidentally, haven't beaten Hawthorn since that time.
Say what you want about Pelchen's blunders, but he hasn't screwed up half as much as Wayne Hughes.
Once again you have deflected from the topic. Yes, Hawthorn have beaten us repeatedly since he took over but this is not due to Pelchen, it is because of the list he inherited.
Honestly Roughhead and Lewis could almost be considered bust picks at this stage in their careers, both look slower than cement trucks in reverse and are going backwards fast
To bring Hughes into this is complete rubbish, Hughes uses his first round picks with precision and his later picks even better. Jamison, Jacobs, Joseph, Ellard, Garlett are some of the gems Hughes has found in the last few PSD's alone. What has the Pelican does with his PSD picks since he took over? Sweet **** all
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No-one's here to argue that Frankin was a good pick, we're here to argue this bunch of spuds hand-picked by the Pelican...
2005 Draft
Pick 3 - Xavier Ellis
Pick 6 - Beau Dowler
Pick 14 - Grant Birchall
Pick 18 - Max Bailey
Pick 22 - Beau Muston
Pick 38 - Travis Tuck
PSD - Brent Guerra
Rookie - Luke McKentee
Rookie - Lukas Marvokic
Rookie - Stephen Gilham
Rookie - Ben Kane
Rookie - Ben McGlynn
2006 Draft
Pick 6 - Mitch Thorp
Pick 24 - Brent Renouf
Pick 33 - Jarryd Morton
Pick 40 - Josh Kennedy
Pick 56 - Garry Moss
PSD Pick 5 - Josh Thurgood
Rookie - Brett Collins
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Sam Gibson
2007 Draft
Pick 29 - Brendan Whitecross
Pick 45 - Stewart Dew
Rookie - Hugh Sandilands
Rookie - Timothy Walsh
Rookie - Alex Grima
Rookie - Cameron Stokes
2008 Draft
Pick 16 - Ryan Schoenmakers
Pick 34 - Liam Shiels
Pick 50 - Jordan Lisle
Pick 63 - Luke Lowden
Rookie - Riley Milne
Rookie - Haydn Kiel
Rookie - Luke Breust
Rookie - Carl Peterson
Rookie - Gary Moss
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - William Suerakowski
2009 Draft
Pick 39 - Sam Grimley
Pick 46 - Bejamin Stratton
Pick 57 - Jordan Williams
Pick 58 - Rhan Hooper
Pick 69 - Taylor Duryea
Pick 70 - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Wayde Skipper
Rookie - Jarrod Hayler-Thompson
Rookie - Michael Johnston
This list of complete utter shit even makes Greg Miller's time at Richmond look good
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No-one's here to argue that Frankin was a good pick, we're here to argue this bunch of spuds hand-picked by the Pelican...
The point is that your kids should be performing by now. Obviously your recruting department has the same view which is why they have traded first round picks for senior players.
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Say what you want about Pelchen's blunders, but he hasn't screwed up half as much as Wayne Hughes.
And yet when called to on to quantify your fictional narrative you can't LOL. All you do is keep repeating yourself (I assume with eyes tightly closed)
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No-one's here to argue that Frankin was a good pick, we're here to argue this bunch of spuds hand-picked by the Pelican...
This list of complete utter shit even makes Greg Miller's time at Richmond look good
Lot of those kids did pretty well against a couple of senior sides at Subiaco on the weekend.
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Another typical HP deflection based on a shitload of inaccuracies and zero fact. Judd was 24 when we traded for him, McLean was 23 and Warnock was 21. We also traded away a 29 year old Fevola for an 1st round pick and a 19 year old Henderson. We haven't made a single trade for a player that we won't get at least 8-10 years out of, and on top of that we also traded away a 29 year old for another two 10 year players.
Gibson? Hale? Burgoyne? Bruce? Sounds like the issue of having to top with senior players just to keep touch with the top 8 is is more a Hawthorn one. You are making it too easy for me Hodgepodge
You Carlton flogs need to back off the recruitment angle. Never before has a club tanked so shamelessly for the prize of first draft pick only to piss it up against the wall three years running.
That is absolutely pathetic.
Number one draft picks should perform at the level of Hodge, Goddard, Riewoldt, Cooney, or show as much potential as Scully. These guys all know how to really influence a game. Most are matchwinners. Riewoldt aside, they all know how to perform in finals - something you'd want/expect from a number one draft pick.
What your club has done is joined Melbourne and Collingwood in picking the spudiest person available when you had the entire draft pool available.
That's hard to do, but Carlton have done it three times in a row. Kruezer, Murphy, Gibbs, Josh Fraser, Jack Watts. There's a strong pattern there.
That is absolutely pathetic.
Number one draft picks should perform at the level of Hodge, Goddard, Riewoldt, Cooney, or show as much potential as Scully. These guys all know how to really influence a game. Most are matchwinners. Riewoldt aside, they all know how to perform in finals - something you'd want/expect from a number one draft pick.
What your club has done is joined Melbourne and Collingwood in picking the spudiest person available when you had the entire draft pool available.
That's hard to do, but Carlton have done it three times in a row. Kruezer, Murphy, Gibbs, Josh Fraser, Jack Watts. There's a strong pattern there.
Gibson? Hale? Burgoyne? Bruce? Sounds like the issue of having to top with senior players just to keep touch with the top 8 is is more a Hawthorn one. You are making it too easy for me Hodgepodge
You're right, we should have chased superstars like Warnock (hahahaha) McLean and Andrew Collins.
You're topping up when there's nothing there to top up!
Shit club.
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All senior ready made players who you gave away top draft picks for.
And traded away a second round pick. All the facts please. Fev was traded cos of culture.
None of this means you're not topping up. 28 year old Judd is 28.
Gibson? Hale? Burgoyne? Bruce? Sounds like the issue of having to top with senior players just to keep touch with the top 8 is is more a Hawthorn one. You are making it too easy for me Hodgepodge
You can afford to top up when you've won a flag recently. We also have given up only 1 first rounder for those picks, whereas Carlton have given away 3 first rounders and a young player who went Top 5.
Carlton's winning percentage is the same with and without Judd, so giving all those draft picks for 28 year old Judd looks like a bad move so far.
Pelchin's had his bad and goot moments.
But A cartlon supporter is really going into detail her. except he has quoted 2005 - when pelchn wasnt even at Hawthorn !
But A cartlon supporter is really going into detail her. except he has quoted 2005 - when pelchn wasnt even at Hawthorn !
You said both players. You were wrong. Again!
You spewed forth your fictional narrative and I presented nothing more than facts and figures showing Garlett's 2010 performances, in the only close Blues games, were above his average.
I don't require your recognition that you look like a dill; I don't do it for your benefit. That your dum-dum talk is outed to anyone reading is enough.
Although I've gotta ask ... what's with the pathological attraction to being made to look like an idiot? lol
Eh? Russell @ 24yo and pick 9 was Hughes first selection. To claim all his draftees are at the right age is simply either ignorance or dishonesty.
Of course carltons early picks are good players, weve got posters to prove it !
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I wouldn't be laughing at Warnock if I had Hawthorn's ruck department, which the worst in the AFL by a significant margin.
I'm not sure you even know what topping up means.
Typically a side would 'top up' with senior players who only have a couple of years left to help you extend your rapidly closing premiership window (eg. Hawthorn - Bruce, Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale).
A side with a premiership window that is about to open would usually only trade for 10 year players who were all under 24 when they join the club (eg. Carlton - Judd, McLean, Warnock, Henderson).
Hope that makes sense spud
Damn right your ruck-devoid club should have chased Warnock. He's looking like a mighty fine pick up. Who you go for instead ... oh yeah ... Hale
Maybe Carlton should have chased Rhan Hooper LOL
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All under the age of 24 at the time of trading, would do the exact same trades again if we had the choice - even the McLean deal if he can shake his injuries.
Late 2nd round pick was more a sweetener than anything else. Regardless, once again this is a trade we came out VERY comfortably on top of.
Judd is 27, in his prime and has just come off a season which netted him his 2nd brownlow, all the facts please. He should be in peak condition for the start of our premiership window.
If Pelchen had used your 2005-2008 picks on decent players instead of flogs like Thorp & Ellis you wouldn't have to top up. The only reason Pelchen's topping up is becase (1) He wastes picks and (2) He's trying to extend a premiership window which has already closed.
Burgoyne was worth 2 first rounders.
I don't lose any sleep over this, best trade our club ever made.
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What's with all the numpties having a crack at Carlton?
The OP is dead right, just go to the Hawthorn board over the last 18 months and you will see that most Hawks supporters completely agree with him.
The OP supporting Carlton is completely irrelevant.
The OP is dead right, just go to the Hawthorn board over the last 18 months and you will see that most Hawks supporters completely agree with him.
The OP supporting Carlton is completely irrelevant.
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You said both players. You were wrong. Again!
Statistically I guess Yarran has the edge over Mitch Thorp who didn't play even a full game in the forward line due to a season ending injury. lol.
Dowler spanks him, however. Hopefully his new role at half-back works out.
You presented arbitrary facts and figures. What about his average in losing games? It's almost 3 times less than when Carlton win.
Compare this another 2nd year player in Rioli who actually averages more goals in losses in his 2nd year.
Garlett needs to fix that part of his game. Ignoring it won't solve the problem.
Didn't claim all, but a lot are. The number one draft picks are 21-23 and Judd will be 28 this year, Brock McLean 24 or so. You guys should've been winning flags by now. Even Pratt said so.
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Try telling this to the Tassie flogs on here, they are a bunch of blind nuff nuffs.
Actually, it isn't. The OP suggested Pelchen was the worst. Carlton's recruitment - with its number one picks - has clearly be far, far worse.
Amazing one supposedly credible poster can be so offended about a grand final they deny reality to 'get back.'
Poor Doris.
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Judd was 25 in 2008, McLean will be 24 or 25 this year? You're topping up. Jeremy Laidler another mature age from Geelong.
28 this year, brownlow means less than nothing, and your winning record is the same with or without him.
I'm not going to defend Pelchen's recruitments, but without Ellis we may not have even won a flag. I doubt the premiership window's closed yet.
Okay, but we only gave away the one.
Facts are your 50/50 with or without him, so he's made no impact as yet.
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So you're not denying that Pelchen is rubbish. Just trying your best to find someone who may possibly be worse? OK then.
Pelchen's record is shocking. Much worse than Carlton's, I hate to be the one to break it to you.
Amazing one supposedly credible poster can be so offended about a grand final they deny reality to 'get back.'
Poor Doris.
Whatever champ. Would seem you and your fellow supprters, heck even the side you follow, are the ones who haven't gotten over that season.
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