2010 Potential Draftee and Trade Watch

[thejester]

So it's that time of the year, preseason is about to shed the prefix and become the season - not only in the AFL, but in the U/18s as well. TAC Cup practice matches have happened and the first round kicks off Saturday week. The bad news (as we all know) is that this draft is compromised, GC took their share last year and they a a whole lot more:

2. 2010 NAB AFL Draft
Gold Coast to have first pick in each round
Gold Coast to have selections 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 in round one

...

4. 2010 NAB Rookie Draft
Gold Coast to alternate Queensland priority selections with Brisbane Lions. Gold Coast to have first selection

5. Zoned access
Gold Coast to have zoned access to up to five Queensland players prior to each of 2010, 2011 and 2012 NAB AFL Drafts
Gold Coast to have zoned access to up to three Northern Territory players prior to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft

So not only does the top end of the draft get strip-mined, but the best of Queensland and the NT will presumably go to GC too (although possibly said players have a right to refuse like Beams, Thomas and Taylor?)

The other obvious implication of GC is this:

6. 2010 Post-season, AFL listed player access
Gold Coast to have capacity to pre-list 10 players who had previously nominated for the AFL Draft, or were previously listed with an AFL club.
Gold Coast to have capacity to sign up to 16 uncontracted players
Gold Coast would also have an expanded list size and TPP allowance in the club’s initial four years from 2011 to 2014, which would be as follows:
2011 – 48 senior list, nine rookies with $1m TPP extra allowance;
2012 – 46 senior list, nine rookies with $800k TPP extra allowance;
2013 – 42 senior list, nine rookies with $600k TPP extra allowance;
2014 – 40 senior list, nine rookies with $400k TPP extra allowance;
2015 – 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.

As part of the entry rules for the Gold Coast side, the AFL Commission resolved that any club that lost a player to the expansion side would be eligible for a compensation pick (after the entry of both Gold Coast and the second club to be based in Sydney).

The whole Ablett/Selwood saga is still ongoing, and TBH there's such an absence of info floating around that it's completely unclear what will happen with them...and of course it's all going to happen again next year. Our picks aren't eligible until after 2012, but it potentially mitigates the crappy draft position we look like having over the next two years.

Anyway, onto the players. Here's the Prospectus Top 25:

Shaun Atley - 186cm, 81kg - Midfielder – Murray Bushrangers
Atley is a lively midfielder who is also comfortable playing down back. He represented Vic Country at the 2008 Under-16 Championships, playing three matches and averaging 17 disposals, four inside 50s and three clearances. In 2009 he played 11 matches for the Murray Bushrangers, averaging 20 disposals and an elite nine contested possessions per game which included four loose ball - gets per match – ranked seventh of the players to have played 5 or more games.

Harley Bennell 184cm, 71kg - Utility – Peel Thunder
Bennell is a creative, outside player whose run and quick hands bring teammates into the game. He played 22 WAFL Colts games in 2009 including the grand final loss to Claremont. He averaged 18 disposals and 3 marks per game, kicking a total of 33 goals. His most influential match was against East Fremantle in Round 12 when he amassed 23 disposals, took 10 marks and scored 4 goals. In his league debut in Round 23 he had 17 disposals and kicked 2 goals. Averaged 146 Super Coach points in the 2009 WAFL Colts final series

Lucas Cook – 195cm, 80kg – Key Forward – North Ballarat
In 2008 Cook played three matches for Vic Country in the NAB AFL Under – 16 Championships, averaging 13 disposals, three marks, and 4 inside 50’s, and also 5 matches for North Ballarat in the TAC Cup. He backed this up to play 15 games as a lead up key forward, scoring 14 goals at an accuracy of 64%. He also tallied 23 score assists – ranked equal 9th in the competition.

Jamie Cripps – 180cm, 71kg – General Defender - East Fremantle
Cripps first represented Western Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under- 16 Championships averaging 17 disposals, three clearances and four inside 50’s in four matches as a midfielder. He represented Western Australia at the 2009 NAB AFL Under- 18 Championships, averaging 14 disposals and four rebound 50’s playing as a predominately as a small defender. At local level in 2009 he played seven matches for East Fremantle Colts, averaging 16 disposals, and progressed to play the last four matches of the season in the reserves where he averaged 11 disposals and booted 6 goals.

Jack Darling – 190cm, 86kg – General Forward – West Perth
Darling is a tall forward with terrific speed and is strong overhead highlighted by his average of more than two contested marks per game in 19 matches Champion Data has covered. IN 2008 he averaged 18 disposals, 8 marks and seven inside 50’s for Western Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships. These figures included an outstanding performance against South Australia in which he had 19 disposals at an efficiency of 88%, nine marks including seven contested, eight tackles, seven inside 50’s, 4 goals and 4 goal assists to accumulate a whopping 308 Champion Data points – the most ever recorded in any game. At the 2009 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, although undersized, he played centre half forward and averaged 13 disposals and five marks, while kicking 14 goals and assisting in another 15 scoring shots. He was subsequently selected at centre half forward in the under-18 All-Australian team. At just 17 years of age Darling made his debut at WAFL League level in Round 17, playing 6 matches at an average of 10 disposals, three marks and 2 goals per game.

Sam Day – 196cm, 80kg – Key Forward – Sturt
Day has played high-level basketball and is also an outstanding baseballer. He is athletic, has strong hands, competes well and played 6 matches for Sturt Under-18’s in 2009 as a key forward and ruckman. From those appearances he scored 9 goals and averaged 11 disposals and 10 hit-outs per match. For South Australia at the NAB AFL Under-18’s Championships, he racked up 37 disposals in 4 matches at an elite efficiency of 87%.

Andrew Gaff – 180cm, 75kg – Midfielder – Oakleigh Chargers
Following on from his impressive 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships in which he averaged 20 disposals for Vic Metro, Gaff played 6 matches for Oakleigh in the TAC Cup in 2009 between school football and NAB AFL Under-18 Championship commitments and was one of the leading contributors. Playing in the midfield, he averaged 26 disposals, including 17 kicks per match, along with 11 contested possessions, 15 uncontested, and six inside 50’s. For Vic Metro his performances were also outstanding, averaging 25 disposals, 20 uncontested possessions and five inside 50’s per match from his four matches.

Daniel Gorringe – 197cm, 86kg – Ruck – Norwood
Gorringe played 18 matches for Norwood under-18’s in 2009, averaging 12 disposals, three marks and 29 hit-outs per match to be the leading ruckman in the competition. He also had 20 clearances for the season and made his debut at league level in Round 19 where he played 2 matches, racking up 10 disposals and 23 hit-outs.

Josh Green – 180cm, 73kg – Midfielder – Clarence
After playing at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships in which he averaged 19 disposals and five marks per match, Green played all five games for Tasmania in the 2009 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships to be one of the most impressive players for his team. Playing through the midfield, he was a consistent performer, averaging 22 disposals per game, and showed strong ability in close, by ranking second in the championships for contested possessions with 10 per game, fourth in clearances with an average of five . He also pushed forward to score five goals and have four score assists.

Kieran Harper – 187cm, 75kg – Utility – Eastern Ranges
Harper played three matches for Vic Metro at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships to average 14 disposals and five marks per game. In 2009 he missed the cut for the Vic Metro NAB AFL Under-18 Championship team, but played 9 matches in various positions for Eastern in the TAC Cup. Harper averaged 17 disposals and seven contested possession per match, with his best return for the season coming in the Round 14 win against Murray in which he amassed 21 disposals, seven inside 50’s, two goals and four score assists.

Dyson Heppell – 184cm, 75kg – Utility – Gippsland Power
Heppel played three matches for Vic Country in the NAB AFL Under-16 Championships, producing 18 disposals, 2 goals and five score assists in his first match against South Australia. He made his debut for Gippsland after that as a 16 year old in the TAC Cup in Round 11 and played in the Preliminary final loss to Dandenong. In 2009 he played 19 games for the Power predominately as a defender, but moved into the midfield at the end of the season to average 24 disposals, four inside 50’s and five rebound 50’s in his last four matches.

Jed Lamb – 180cm, 76k – General Forward – Gippsland Power
Champion Data only saw Lamb play in 2009 for Gippsland and, despite standing only 180cm tall he was one of the TAC Cup’s most influential forwards. He is a good overhead mark for his size, averaging one contested mark per game, and his ability to read the play and find space saw him take 85 grabs for the season including 16 on a lead. His tally of 47 goals, 25 behinds at an accuracy of 65% was elite, and his 21 score assists ranked equal 13th in the competition.

Thomas Liberatore – 181cm, 68kg – Midfielder – Calder Cannons
Liberatore is currently one of the best in-and-under midfielders at junior level. He played for Vic Metro at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships and also played three matches for Calder at the end of the 2008 season. In 2009 he played 13 matches in the TAC Cup which included a premiership. Despite missing nine games he won 38 more hard ball gets than any other Calder player, and 28 more clearances, highlighting his elite inside work. His averages of 24 disposals including 18 effective, 13 contested possessions, seven clearances and sic tackles per match were all in the elite bracket. As his father, Tony, he is eligible to be taken under the father-son rule in 2010.

Rex Liddy -181cm, 82kg – General Forward – Southport
Liddy had two years playing for Queensland at the NAB AFL Under-16 Championships, averaging 13 disposals, four marks, four tackles and five inside 50’sper match. At the 2009 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships he played two of five matches with modest averages of 10 disposals, four marks, two inside 50’s. At TAC Cup level playing for the Gold Coast, he played 10 matches, predominately across half forward, and averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks, and four inside 50’s per game. He scored 6 goals for the season, but his 30% scoring accuracy and 44% kicking efficiency are areas of his game he needs to improve.

Scott Lycett – 202cm, 91kg – Key Forward – Port Adelaide
At 202cm Lycett is a key forward and also more than competent ruckman. IN 2009 he played eight matches for Port Adelaide Magpies in SANFL Under-18’s competition, averaging 16 disposals, five marks and 13 hit-outs per match, while also scoring 18 goals for the season including 5 against Glenelg in Round 10. He played six matches at reserves level and two matches for South Australia at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships in which he averaged 11 disposals, four marks, including two contested, and booted 3 goals in total.

Steven May – 190cm, 83kg – Key Forward – Southern Districts
May first appeared at the 2007 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships. He played again at that level in 2008, generating 27 shots at goal in four games for a return of 14 goals, and also played in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships that year. Playing as a key forward at the 2009 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships he presented well and provided strong contests to average 15 disposals, five marks, and kick a total of eight goals in five games. His total of eight contested marks ranked him seventh overall in the competition, while his seven marks on the lead ranked him second.

Viv Michie – 184cm, 79kg – Midfielder – Oakleigh Chargers
Michie’s date of birth put him in contention to be pre selected by the GC17 as a 17 year-old. He is quick and well balanced outside midfielder. In season 2009 for Oakleigh in the TAC Cup he missed 8 weeks after puncturing his lung in Round 1, but he played eight matches for the season to average 16 disposals including 12 kicks per game, booting 4 goals in total.

Luke Mitchell – 195cm, 83kg – Key Forward – Calder Cannons
Mitchell is a key position forward who played four matches for Vic Metro in the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships and also two games for Calder in the TAC Cup at the end of that season. In 2009 he played 12 matches for Calder and was instrumental in their success. His 28 goals ranked him equal 14th on the TAC Cup goal kicking ladder and his 80 marks at an average of 7 per match was elite, which included 26 contested and 21 on the lead.

Luke Parker – 181cm, 78kg - Midfielder – Dandenong Stingrays
Parker played 4 matches for Dandenong at the end of 2008 and 21 matches last season. In 2009 he won, the Stingrays B&F, leading the club in total disposals, handballs, contested possessions, and clearances. As a midfielder he impacts the scoreboard, booting 36 goals, the most of any midfielder in the TAC Cup, as well as assisting in 18 Dandenong scores. His disposal, clearance and contested possession averages per match, were all ranked in the elite category .

Jared Polec – 184cm, 70kg – Utility – Woodville West Torrens
Polec played for South Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships where he played across half back and averaged 7 disposals at an efficiency of 84% in three matches. IN 2009 he had a consistent season playing across half forward in nine under-18, two reserves, and six league matches for the Eagles in the SANFL. At under-18 level he averaged 19 disposals, four inside 50’s and two goals per match, while at league level, he made his debut and held his place in the side for the rest of the season to average 10 disposals and four marks per match, scoring a total of nine goals.

Brodie Smith – 187cm, 73kg – Midfielder – Woodville West Torrens
Smith can play across half back and midfield. He had a solid 2009 season, playing 17 SANFL matches including five at league level, along with five matches at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships where he averaged 13 disposals per match. For the Eagles Under-18’s he averaged 27 disposals and six inside 50’s across seven matches and opened the season with a slashing 36 disposals and 4 goals against Central Districts. For the league team he tallied 32 disposals from his five appearances.

Jamie Solly – 190cm, 84kg – Key Forward – Port Adelaide
Solly represented South Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships where he averaged 15 disposals and scored 11 goals across three matches. Last year he played 16 matches at SANFL under-18 level, averaging 18 disposals and six marks per match while ranking fifth on the goal kicking ladder with 34 for the season. AT the 2009 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships he played 3 games to average seven disposals and two marks, while also kicking three goals from eight scoring shots.

David Swallow – 183cm, 78kg – Midfielder – East Fremantle
GC17 has already secured Swallow as one of its future draft picks which will see him join the club 12 months before the 2010 AFL Draft. He is a hard running half back/ midfielder who has averaged 22 disposals per match across his junior career. In 2008 he represented Western Australia at the NAB AFL Under-16 Championships and in 2009 he played at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, averaging 21 disposals, eight contested possessions and four clearances from five matches. Swallow tied for the Larke Medal as the Division 1 B&F player in the championships and he was selected on a half back flank the Under-18 All-Australian team. In the WAFL he made his debut at league level for East Fremantle in Round 16, playing four matches at an average of 20 disposals and kicking a total of five goals.

Mitch Wallis 183, 71kg – Midfielder - Calder Cannons
Wallis presents the Western Bulldogs with a second father-son option in the 2010 NAB AFL Draft after his father Steve played 261 games for the club. He was an elite ball winner for Calder last season, averaging 26 disposals, the most of any player not eligible for the 2009 NAB AFL Draft. His averages for disposals, disposal efficiency, uncontested possessions, clearances and inside 50’s were all elite. He had a purple patch during the season where he racked up 99 disposals in three matches, including 38 and 17 contested possessions against Sandringham in Round 18.

Blayne Wilson – 187cm, 80kg – General Defender – Peel Thunder
Wilson is a medium-sized defender with excellent disposal by either hand or foot. In 2008 he represented Western Australia at the NAB AFL Under-16 Championships, averaging 11 disposals, three marks, and three rebound 50’s. In 2009 he played in each of Western Australia’s five matches at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships and was rated as its best by his coaches. His disposal efficiency rate of 88% was elite and the highest of any player in the Under-18 All-Australian team where he was selected at full back. At WAFL level he played 12 matches for Peel Thunder Colts, averaging 17 disposals per match. He made his league debut in Round 16, he played 4 matches and averaged 13 disposals and four marks per game.

Bit frustrating that they've listed Wallis and Liberatore, who are going to the Dogs under F/S, and Darling and Swallow, who look almost certain to go to the GC in the Top 3. Like the look of Wilson, looks a typical WA product, but we're probably not going to get within cooee of him.

One player I reckon it's worth looking out for is Tom Mackenzie, played for Country in the champs last year and was pretty reasonable in the games I saw, but dropped off the radar in the second half of the year. Has been listed as a 19yr old by the Falcons and hopefully has a shot at the Champs again. Bit of a tweener, IIRC, was listed as 190cm last year and was playing KPP - obviously that's not big enough to do it at AFL level, will be interesting to see if he can develop his game to play as a third tall or a winger.

 

[thejester]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

And we start with good news - sort of:

HE'S the youngest player on the Geelong Falcons list but is the son of a gun and will attract the most interest in the TAC Cup this season.

Jed Bews, the son of former Geelong and Brisbane star Andrew Bews has made the cut for the Falcons' squad of 50.

Andrew Bews, a Geelong Advertiser columnist, played 282 games for Geelong and Brisbane between 1982-98 and captained the Cats for two seasons.

...

The 16-year-old is also a gifted pole vaulter who has won medals at national championships, but he could attract the attention of the Cats as a father-son prospect when he's eligible to be drafted at the end of next season.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

If we assume that Ablett does leave for a moment ( ) then we could hope that we may be compensated with an earlier pick than what is on the table at the moment. I have heard Brian Cook say that it would be unacceptable for us to be compensated with a pick 26 (again assuming we took the pick this year) which is what is being touted atm if we were to win the flag this year.

If we were to receive a pick in the first 3 which is only fair and reasonable (infact 2 picks in the top 5 would be more like it) then the likes of Darling, Day and Bennell would then come into calculation. Darling would be a very very handy pickup.

 

[Pivo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Jared Polec – 184cm, 70kg – Utility – Woodville West Torrens

Brodie Smith – 187cm, 73kg – Midfielder – Woodville West Torrens

Both have gotten very good reviews and were being touted last year as draft certainies this year. Polec, in particular, is highly regarded so hopefully he (and Smith) justify their reputations through the year.

I'll take 'em under my wing this year

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

If we assume that Ablett does leave for a moment ( ) then we could hope that we may be compensated with an earlier pick than what is on the table at the moment. I have heard Brian Cook say that it would be unacceptable for us to be compensated with a pick 26 (again assuming we took the pick this year) which is what is being touted atm if we were to win the flag this year.

If we were to receive a pick in the first 3 which is only fair and reasonable (infact 2 picks in the top 5 would be more like it) then the likes of Darling, Day and Bennell would then come into calculation. Darling would be a very very handy pickup.

YOTC , what's fair and reasonable about the rules for GC?. The AFL have screwed the established clubs for the sake of a quick launch , will basically be giving them predetermined success and too bad for clubs loosing club champions like Gary
For mine , any of the picks you hope for , would be coming from the GC so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the AFL to give what's fair and reasonable. IMO , the only way for us to get that would be if GA put conditions on his departure for eg. he insisted that the GC take someone like West or Gamble as the GFC uncontracted player and then they traded picks for GA.
Down the track , I can see once the new clubs are setup and FreeAgency is implemeted the AFL may look at options like 1 or 2 Franchise Players per club outside the SC to try to preserve the club champion link but thats way off and no help to us now.

 

[thejester]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Complete TAC lists just got released. Quick scan would suggest there's a few brothers coming through, pretty sure the younger siblings of Andy Otten and Andy Collins are playing for Oakleigh and Bendigo respectively this year.

Also, on the GC issue, I'm pretty sure any compensatory picks aren't valid until the 2012 draft or beyond, precisely to stop teams getting a crack at the top tier talent that's supposed to be going to the expansion sides. The compensation formula isn't public so I'm not going to get too worked up over what we do or don't get at this stage - particularly as the club, just like the other 15, ultimately signed off on these ideas. Clearly they've taken the view that long term, growing the game (read: revenue) is more important than potentially losing one player, albeit a very good one.

 

[thejester]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

OK cause I am a total draftee nerd I went out and picked up the latest Inside Footy, has a TAC Cup preview (and it's always worth reading Crackers bizarro rantings). First thing I noticed is that a couple of our NSW rookies (Lachlan Urwin, Tim Wales and Beau Black) are on GWS list - does anyone know if they still are our rookies? Seems a bit weird if they are, maybe it's a condition of GWS entry. They've also got a kid running around called Jack Dwyer. Only one letter away!

They've got a few player write-ups as well, I'll post a few if people want - which also leads to the question, what needs do people see us having going into this year? Key defender is probably the only standout for mine, and that could depend heavily on how well Ben Johnson does in the VFL.

 

[Pivo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

OK cause I am a total draftee nerd I went out and picked up the latest Inside Footy, has a TAC Cup preview (and it's always worth reading Crackers bizarro rantings). First thing I noticed is that a couple of our NSW rookies (Lachlan Urwin, Tim Wales and Beau Black) are on GWS list - does anyone know if they still are our rookies? Seems a bit weird if they are, maybe it's a condition of GWS entry. They've also got a kid running around called Jack Dwyer. Only one letter away!

They've got a few player write-ups as well, I'll post a few if people want - which also leads to the question, what needs do people see us having going into this year? Key defender is probably the only standout for mine, and that could depend heavily on how well Ben Johnson does in the VFL.

I'll been calling for one of them for a couple of years now but I guess the problem Geelong has is their position in the draft. KP defender or forward would be good but you're right - depends on how Ben Johnson comes on along with Gillies and the recovery of Mitch Brown.

I say it all the time - plonk Trent West at CHB for the year and see what he can do. Could fix a potential hole.

Or, use Vardy at FF or CHF for the year with the odd stint in ruck.

If we can't get 'em through drafting maybe we can turn a couple.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Link to a story in todays HS about Sam Day. Sounds an outstanding KP prospect.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-athlete-sam-day/story-e6frf9if-1225842610630

 

[Pivo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Link to a story in todays HS about Sam Day. Sounds an outstanding KP prospect.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-athlete-sam-day/story-e6frf9if-1225842610630

Outstanding but unless Geelong has a massive fall from grace completely out of reach.

 

[thejester]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Outstanding but unless Geelong has a massive fall from grace completely out of reach.

Or he falls flat on his face - J Butcher anyone? Guess we'd still have to have a pretty massive slide, though.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

which also leads to the question, what needs do people see us having going into this year? .....

Jester , I think if could pickup another player or two like Duncan we would be doing well. The 1999 group are not getting any younger if we can build some replacements over the next 3 years we will be doing well. Help minimize our drop perhaps even give us a chance to continue the era.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Has anybody seen any Falcons games this year , cause this kid sounds like one to keep track off.
Billie Smedts , kicking 5 and 6 in first couple of weeks yet Coach Hood thinks he's a better defender. Nice size at 187 too.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2010/04/05/161401_geelong_sports.html

 

[proboy]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

yeah young Billie comes from down Warrnambool way, but goes to a private school in Geelong. Im pretty sure his the youngest of 4 boys, and all the others have played for the Falcons. In fact i think one got kicked out for trashing toolbag turners office. Pretty funny story really when ya here it. Woulda love to be a fly on the wall when turner seen it. Think Essendon invited one of the other brothers to do a preseason (might have been the office trasher) but he declined and never went. Spose footy isnt everything.
Young Billie seems to be on fire early though, he allready has played hampden seniors.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Guys , a little theoretical. Over the next two years GC and then WS will obviously target players on our list . Even if GA stays they will move onto another player then another player , so I have little doubt someone will bite on the ample bait.

All the speculation till now has them targeting players at the premium end of the Salary Cap, so it would significant change our SC situation.

The question is what do we think our approach will be if we do lose one or two players. Will we just distribute the money to others who have obviously performed in the past? Do we save the money then change our recruitment strategy and chase a selected Free Agent in 2012? Do we try to recruit a couple of young boys who could help refresh our list currently at other clubs?

 

[Pivo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

OK, if we are talking theories...

I agree with you, someone will take the money and run. The offer will be too good to pass up and there isn't much anyone can do about it when these new clubs have, what, a million extra in their caps.

I accept that teams will lose players, in some cases very good players but that is the way things are so bleating on about it isn't going to change anything even though I don't like it.

So, if I had to give up a player out of Ablett or Selwood I let Ablett walk. I'd thank him for all his efforts and wish him well. Selwood is the one Geelong needs to keep for mine.

Some of Ablett's salary then goes into keeping Selwood out of reach as well as rewarding some of our other top end players.

Drafting kids over the next couple of years is going to be hard and Geelong will need to decide if they want to keep trying to complete at the pointy end or accept the slide that the AFL has ensured takes place.

If they accept the decision to slide then maybe shed a few other players (along with Ablett and a few tears) who are past their prime and try and get earlier draft picks to start the rebuild.

If they don't want to get on the slide then I think you have to try and bring players in, ala Brisbane last year.

You don't have to get one jet, maybe spread the load and go for a few mid rangers (closer to 20 than 30) to add some depth to the existing playing group and build around Selwood, Hawkins, Hogan, Duncan, Taylor etc

It is an interesting discussion, that's for sure.

 

[rizzo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Looking forward to this season. Will be able to see more Falcons games this year.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I think we may start to see a change to "best" way to build process.
The introduction of these 2 new sides, the introduction of Free Agency and the recent almost instant success of older players like Davey, our own HarryT and Barlow.

For a start , the draft will be so compromised the next several years due to the introduction concessions and the compensations given, that teams that are down the bottom (like Richmond) will have no choice but to revert , at least partly , to the mindset of the 70's and the 80's.Teams will have no choice as they will look at the picks in the draft as holding less value and predict a less certain success which may also take far too long.

FA however , will be tempting. Players inside the system are far easier to judge for value and players who out of the top 25% may be willing to move for the chance to be regular and well remunerated AFL players. These guys will only have been in the system for 8 years , I'm are talking about footballers of Ablett's and Bartel's era , certainly not that old. Meshed with some good young kids it could see some clubs turn around very quickly. Of course , it's probably a bit like leverage in the sharemarket , one could see some rather quick crash and burns too. Perhaps thats not so bad. Id hate to be a club like Richmond right now , having to look at a fresh, longwinded cycle of pain to rebuild yet again.

So what does this mean for Geelong. Well , I think we should stay on top of any paradigm change. Be aware of it , monitor it and perhaps use it.
If for instance we lose 2 players to the new boys , we may well have an extra $800,000 to a $1,000,000 to spend in our cap. Some of this should go to players we would like to reward for merit but I wouldn't mind some of being used to procure the right player for us. It has worked with Ottens after all.

 

[rizzo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

OK, if we are talking theories...

I agree with you, someone will take the money and run. The offer will be too good to pass up and there isn't much anyone can do about it when these new clubs have, what, a million extra in their caps.

I accept that teams will lose players, in some cases very good players but that is the way things are so bleating on about it isn't going to change anything even though I don't like it.

So, if I had to give up a player out of Ablett or Selwood I let Ablett walk. I'd thank him for all his efforts and wish him well. Selwood is the one Geelong needs to keep for mine.

Some of Ablett's salary then goes into keeping Selwood out of reach as well as rewarding some of our other top end players.

Drafting kids over the next couple of years is going to be hard and Geelong will need to decide if they want to keep trying to complete at the pointy end or accept the slide that the AFL has ensured takes place.

If they accept the decision to slide then maybe shed a few other players (along with Ablett and a few tears) who are past their prime and try and get earlier draft picks to start the rebuild.

If they don't want to get on the slide then I think you have to try and bring players in, ala Brisbane last year.

You don't have to get one jet, maybe spread the load and go for a few mid rangers (closer to 20 than 30) to add some depth to the existing playing group and build around Selwood, Hawkins, Hogan, Duncan, Taylor etc

It is an interesting discussion, that's for sure.

TBH, I don't think our plight is as bad as many other clubs....

Using my own thoughts of our list this is where I would put our players.

Will make it (base a team around):
Allen Christensen
Mitch Duncan
Tom Gillies
Tom Hawkins
Simon Hogan
Steven Motlop
Joel Selwood
Travis Varcoe

Handy (spots 22-depth):
Nathan Djerkurra
Taylor Hunt
Jeremy Laidler
Trent West

Need time:
Tom Allwright (Potential to make it: Low - Med)
Mitch Brown (Potential to make it: High)
Josh Cowan (Potential to make it: Low - Med)
Ranga Ediwikirarararararara (Potential to make it: Med- High)
Daniel Menzal (Potential to make it: High)
Dawson Simpson (Potential to make it: Med)
Adam Varcoe (Potential to make it: High)
Jesse Stringer (Potential to make it: Med)
Nathan Vardy (Potential to make it: Med - High)
Jack Weston (Potential to make it: Low)
Ben Johnson (Potential to make it: Low)

No good:
None


As you can see we have a very strong core of 8 "youngsters" to base our team around. Then throw in guys like stokes, taylor, blake etc and our 18 is looking pretty good.

Teh 4 handy's are close, but need to show more. Still not sold on Hunt. Laidler looks like he could make the jump, so could DJ.

Have been told by a reliable source that DAWSON SIMPSON is ahead of West in the ruck and the club is hoping to mould Westy as a defender.

Considering the last two years we have turned our list around, we can't make judgements on a lot of our younger players. Would be confident that atleast 5 or 6 of them will make it.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

TBH, I don't think our plight is as bad as many other clubs....


Have been told by a reliable source that DAWSON SIMPSON is ahead of West in the ruck and the club is hoping to mould Westy as a defender.

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Rizzo , considering Simpson making his debut now you were on the money. Surely this must mean West is gone at years end because with Lonergan ,Taylor , Mackie in the side , Gillies, Laidler and Drum in the wings , there is no room for him in defense.

Our plight.. certainly on paper we look to have the raw talent to build or at least support our younger stars "Ablett , Bartel , Selwood etc so they could easily be capable of a Premiership challenge post 2012.
As you have said , very difficult to determine the future but I feel for us really continue on a couple of these no names (like Duncan) must step to be legit replacements for the Lings,Corys and the Scarletts.No easy task , we are talking about B&F winners and future Hall of Fame players. How many step and how many fall short and become AFL collateral damage will determine our fate.

One thing is for sure picks and not the be all and end all. Richmond must now be considered the Paragon of Waste , they are proof that just handing out early picks is no way to assist cellar dwellers. Just like in Motor Racing having the best car doesn't always mean your the quickest and in footy Richmond have basically flushed this group down the sink by their poor handling of their talent. If Geelong can keep our standards up in this are we have every chance to keep the Cattery purring.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Just a question a Rookies. What is the rule on their promotion as an alternative to using picks in the draft. Id say there would be a couple of Rookies on our list that would be far better options than some rather late picks in the next couple of drafts

 

[rizzo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Just a question a Rookies. What is the rule on their promotion as an alternative to using picks in the draft. Id say there would be a couple of Rookies on our list that would be far better options than some rather late picks in the next couple of drafts

They just get put as a draft pick. I think it is pretty irrelevant in terms of draft picks.

If you took 8 picks and 2 rookie upgrades you'd have 10 picks in the draft/

Rizzo , considering Simpson making his debut now you were on the money. Surely this must mean West is gone at years end because with Lonergan ,Taylor , Mackie in the side , Gillies, Laidler and Drum in the wings , there is no room for him in defense.

Pretty timely post!! West's time would nearly be done I would say. That being said, he could ultimately fight it with Lonergan for that big defender role. West is very strong and mobile. Just too short for a ruckman it seems.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

They just get put as a draft pick. I think it is pretty irrelevant in terms of draft picks.
If you took 8 picks and 2 rookie upgrades you'd have 10 picks in the draft/

Rizzo , I perhaps I didn't clarify myself. Last year there was a rule change relating to the compulsory 3 picks that every club must take in the draft. It basically related to elevating Rookies and when you did elevate a Rookie , this then counted as a pick taken. For us , this may mean that at years end if we elevate Pods or Varoce at years ,we do not have to delist 3 players + a player for each Rookie we bring up.

Perhaps my confidence in our grooming of kids is little bloated but I look at our Rookies and think we some guys kids there that could go on be used as useful as Max Rooke or Shagga Byrnes.

Obviously Pods quality is about to be tested but given a reasonable run I see now reason why he could not be a perfect replacement for CamM for the next 3 or so years. Certainly the wraps for young Varcoe the other day were big but so where the the wraps early days for RangaE. He has been decimated by an awful injury but if he can get back on the ground he surely has potential. Likewize , young Allright who I quite liked the look of and has had no luck.

So what do they do at years end? If our picks are so late I really doubt we would be increasing the quality of our list much by taking another three or 4 18 year olds when when comparing them to the above names.
In essence Im saying , two picks and two rookie promotions would be the way to go. It probably would depend on departures. Maybe even 1 pick and two rookie promotions if its legal.

 

[rizzo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Rizzo , I perhaps I didn't clarify myself. Last year there was a rule change relating to the compulsory 3 picks that every club must take in the draft. It basically related to elevating Rookies and when you did elevate a Rookie , this then counted as a pick taken. For us , this may mean that at years end if we elevate Pods or Varoce at years ,we do not have to delist 3 players + a player for each Rookie we bring up.

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So what do they do at years end? If our picks are so late I really doubt we would be increasing the quality of our list much by taking another three or 4 18 year olds when when comparing them to the above names.
In essence Im saying , two picks and two rookie promotions would be the way to go. It probably would depend on departures. Maybe even 1 pick and two rookie promotions if its legal.

O yes, sorry I must have miss read. But if true, that could be very handy.

TBH if we are going to take 4 speculative picks on players who are 50/50, I would like to see the club do what you said.

Use our 1st + 2nd rounder and promoted 2 or 3 rookies to fill the spaces.

Delist any dead weight on the rookie list and have a crack at say 3 young kids + one mature age gun (i'm thinking Ben Raidme from our VFL atm).

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I think you are correct Turbocat. I was under the impression that rookie elevations count as draft picks if that makes sense. In other words if we were to elevate both Pods and Varcoe then we only need draft one player from the National Draft.