Training 2024 Pre-season training

[Foxman98]

Guy has hardly played afl in 2 years. I was at the trial game and he was ok but there were moments where he was 2-3 steps behind the play or pace of the game. He may get that back, but for me Khamis is just ahead at this stage.

On SM-A505YN using BigFooty.com mobile app

He was significantly better than Khamis,

Khamis took a nice intercept mark in the 2nd quarter and not much else, Coffield was involved in most of our rebounds out of d50

 

[Mofra]

He was significantly better than Khamis,

Khamis took a nice intercept mark in the 2nd quarter and not much else, Coffield was involved in most of our rebounds out of d50

The Doug Hawkins recap of the game gave Coffield 1 vote. I wouldn't have put Coff as the third best for us but he certainly looks like a round 1, best 22 player.

 

[Foxman98]

The Doug Hawkins recap of the game gave Coffield 1 vote. I wouldn't have put Coff as the third best for us but he certainly looks like a round 1, best 22 player.

Wasn't 3rd best at all but 100% is in our starting backline

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Macrae can absolutely cover as much ground, probably at a similar speed as Williams lol. Williams isn’t even a strong runner it’s one of the things he’s had to work on big time, he’s getting up to standard now but it’s definitely not a strength of his, whilst Macraes an absolute gut runner throughout his career

He can't though. Williams features in the GPS data as one of best runners, Macrae doesn't. Take a look at the GPS data in any game, Williams features often.

 

[doggies ftw]

He can't though. Williams features in the GPS data as one of best runners, Macrae doesn't. Take a look at the GPS data in any game, Williams features often.

Did 3NP just learn players play different roles? No s**t he’s going to top the GPS data when he’s playing on the wing every week

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Did 3NP just learn players play different roles? No s**t he’s going to top the GPS data when he’s playing on the wing every week

You've answered your own question here.

It's also not raw distance, it's high capacity running. It's total distance covered over a minimum speed. It isn't always wingers across the league that rank highly.

 

[doggies ftw]

You've answered your own question here.

It's also not raw distance, it's high capacity running. It's total distance covered over a minimum speed. It isn't always wingers across the league that rank highly.

Dude surely you understand that wingers are going to cover more distance at high speed than a contest to contest inside mid? You do realise 95% of the players that make that tracker are wingers and outside players right?

Also lol at using the single time Williams was listed last season as some sort of indication he “features often”

I’m not saying Macrae will be a gun winger but clearly if fit he has no worse running capacity than Williams - who has never been an overly strong runner, unlike Macrae.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Dude surely you understand that wingers are going to cover more distance at high speed than a contest to contest inside mid? You do realise 95% of the players that make that tracker are wingers and outside players right?

Except you know for Bont, West, Treloar and West who also a featured on these lists.

I can't be bothered screenshotting every game (obviously) but Libba was also rank 1 or rank 2 for three consecutive games as well from R3-5. He's obviously also an inside midfielder.

Smith doesn't play on the wing and throughout the course of the year played similar onball/half forward to Macrae and covered far more athletically.

"Macrae doesn't have the athletic capabilities in the modern era to play on the wing, a position that has different athletic standards than other positions" is a very simple and common sense and I would have thought uncontroversial point to make. Opposing it against all evidence is just a weird hill to die on.

 

[PurpJuice]

Macrae is a terrible winger, we’ve tried it in the past, I remember last year or the year before we had him on the wing against Freo and he was just way too slow.

He’s an excellent mid but if he’s not played in there, don’t play him at all.

 

[Mofra]

Macrae is a terrible winger, we’ve tried it in the past, I remember last year or the year before we had him on the wing against Freo and he was just way too slow.

We have also signed two DFA wing hopefuls and drafted one since Macrae was last part of our first CBA rotations, as we are desperate for a wing specialist to take the role.Macrae's just not a wingman.

 

[doggies ftw]

Except you know for Bont, West, Treloar and West who also a featured on these lists.

I can't be bothered screenshotting every game (obviously) but Libba was also rank 1 or rank 2 for three consecutive games as well from R3-5. He's obviously also an inside midfielder.

Smith doesn't play on the wing and throughout the course of the year played similar onball/half forward to Macrae and covered far more athletically.

"Macrae doesn't have the athletic capabilities in the modern era to play on the wing, a position that has different athletic standards than other positions" is a very simple and common sense and I would have thought uncontroversial point to make. Opposing it against all evidence is just a weird hill to die on.

Yes as I said 95%, mostly winger & outside players, what that means is there is still some outliers…

My point was Macrae is definitely no worse a runner, when fit, than Williams. If Williams can play the position in the modern era with his athleticism, ie relatively slow and not a great tank historically (finally up to standard but definitely not a strength & always held him back) then that wouldn’t be what’s holding Macrae back from the position, not saying he has the smarts & positioning to play the position, never once said he’d be a good winger but he’d run rings around Williams as a runner - Macrae doesn’t have burst speed, he has a huge tank as evidenced by his gut running to avg 30 odd disposals over the last 10 years.

You pointing out Williams featured in the GPS trackers one time last season, doesn’t change that.

Still waiting for you to reply to the other post that you absolutely butchered about the AA defenders btw

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Buks is actually a very neat kick. Would much rather him handling the ball in the backline than Keath, Gardy or even Jones.

Definitely a neat kick, but i'm not sure he makes really quick decisions and executes on them.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

That's a rare occurrence at any club. There are usually 3-4 at least who can't play and at least a couple from the nominal best 22. It's why I don't really get into the "Best 22 Rd 1, 2024" discussions. They seem a bit pointless to me.

What we want is seamless depth down to about 30th on the list - and some versatility in that, of course, so we can cover a loss in any position. That's a better measure of our prospects IMO.

As an example we suddenly look very exposed if either or both Liam Jones and JOD are unavailable.

To be fair, if any team lost their 2 first choice key defenders they'd be exposed as well

 

[dergert]

Will teams be announced today?

 

[Mofra]

To be fair, if any team lost their 2 first choice key defenders they'd be exposed as well

It's probably the only thing that would keep Crows out of finals this year.

 

[BrisDog]

Dude surely you understand that wingers are going to cover more distance at high speed than a contest to contest inside mid? You do realise 95% of the players that make that tracker are wingers and outside players right?

Also lol at using the single time Williams was listed last season as some sort of indication he “features often”

I’m not saying Macrae will be a gun winger but clearly if fit he has no worse running capacity than Williams - who has never been an overly strong runner, unlike Macrae.

Macrae is slower than treacle mate. Williams is far quicker and more explosive. Not even close.

Macrae has gone backwards. His confidence appears to have dropped. When he has the ball he appears to take the easy option and kick it sideways, allowing the opposition defence to structure-up and make it difficult. He still gets plenty of touches but is no longer damaging. He needs to reinvent himself quickly.

Anyone know when he is contracted until?

 

[Doggies7]

Can anyone post this?

 

[stefoid]

It's not as if they're going off vibes. They wear GPSes and would able to compare the distance run between players. The likes of Williams covers several kilometres more per game than Macrae. The likes of Poulter have the ability to run 100m at 30+ km/h on repeat efforts unlike Macrae. Of course these players aren't stars, the ability to execute basic football skills and win the footy is still the biggest determiner in how good you are. But if (for example) we commit an unforced turnover on our half forward flank and they switch the play and their opposition wingman sprints like hell inside 50, Macrae isn't keeping up with them over the 100+m they're running. Williams is.

There's some (limited) GPS data on the AFL app. Go by it game by game. You might surprise yourself as to which Dogs players feature.

Well maybe they should - the vibes for some of our VFL delisted players who kept getting games over the last couple of years were pretty clear

Id like to see Jacks data for 2022 or earlier where he wasnt playing half forward or whererver the hell he spent most of his time last year. When he was racking up 30+ possies week in, week out, he must have been covering some ground

 

[Bulldogs85]

Will teams be announced today?

Yes

 

[Angak]

Can anyone post this?

I like this move by Bevo. Creating early tension for selection. Hope it works!

 

[dergert]

I didn't think CD was that bad last week.

Bramble had some okay moments but his disposal was poor. I don't know if we need that coming out of defence?

 

[Doggies7]

I like this move by Bevo. Creating early tension for selection. Hope it works!

Thanks Angak. I like the pressure for spots and accountability for everyone but really hope Caleb is in the best 22 come round 1. I think he's a very important player and one of our best users of the ball also, surely there is a spot for him still...

 

[VitalDread]

I didn't think CD was that bad last week.

Bramble had some okay moments but his disposal was poor. I don't know if we need that coming out of defence?

Poor disposals out of defense is our bread and butter though

 

[ossie_21]

Yes as I said 95%, mostly winger & outside players, what that means is there is still some outliers…

My point was Macrae is definitely no worse a runner, when fit, than Williams. If Williams can play the position in the modern era with his athleticism, ie relatively slow and not a great tank historically (finally up to standard but definitely not a strength & always held him back) then that wouldn’t be what’s holding Macrae back from the position, not saying he has the smarts & positioning to play the position, never once said he’d be a good winger but he’d run rings around Williams as a runner - Macrae doesn’t have burst speed, he has a huge tank as evidenced by his gut running to avg 30 odd disposals over the last 10 years.

You pointing out Williams featured in the GPS trackers one time last season, doesn’t change that.

Still waiting for you to reply to the other post that you absolutely butchered about the AA defenders btw

Your constant arguing with other respectable posters on here, and refusal to admit you’ve got it wrong on occasion is getting tedious.

I just thought you should know.

 

[VitalDread]

Look

I beat Jack brother at Mix Netball as a Wing Attack

Clearly Jack isn't suited for the wing role based on bloodline