Politics Capitalism V Socialism, or is it?

[The Coup]

Charity wouldn't even be necessary in those countries if our corporations and governments and militaries would just * off back home.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Oh so because baking for profit was involved it got really had and people were scared of going into poverty due to the risk involved.

Well yeah no s**t, that's what I've been saying genius.

Was this a response to my post explaining that the Hunger Games movies would not have been made in your proposed political system?

If you can't articulate a position beyond tweet length non-sequiturs it would be unrealistic to expect your words to inspire the populace to rise up and violently overthrow the state.

 

[The Coup]

Who said I'm trying to inspire anything? I'm just trying to keep some liars honest.

You are saying HG got made because of debt. That is frogshit.

 

[Todman]

Capitalism thrives in the fear that someone will get the same reward for less effort with Socialism.

Capitalism is the promise that if you work harder you will get ahead in life. I personally believe the only way to get straight onto easy street is to slide in bed with a rich guy two to three times my age because working hard will get me a small margin ahead in life but nowhere near the level of the upper levels of wealth on this planet.

Capitalism is a lie told to keep people working for those above in the hope of one day being that person above.

Sliding in bed with a rich guy or two is a time honored tradition, don't know it until you do it.

 

[Old Spice]

The overarching problem with socialism is historic, that the first state to adopt it was an overwhelmingly agrarian economy emerging from absolutism. You can't build socialism on a rural economy of ex-serfs. Socialism as conceived by Marx et al is not about splitting meagre proceeds in the manner of Jesus or various Christian movements, but about utilising the productive capacity of industrialism to organise a fair distribution of goods.

I have my doubts about socialism, not as a rational system of distribution, but because socialists have appeared to have learnt a lot about history but not much about politics or economics. I think that the Bolsheviks could have travelled a more secure and less violent route had they worked out in advance a general approach to economics. In the end, the USSR did make up centuries of economic backwardness in decades under Stalin but the cost was too high. The same could be said of China.

That being said, it is becoming something of an historical detail - much as the debauchery of Dickensian industrialisation in the west has become history pr0n for us.

If anyone has watched the dating Chinese show on SBS, it appears to me that Chinese socialism has produced an economic and social dividend which is as far from the craziness of North Korea as it is from Marx. Or is this the sad terminal of Marxism - abundance and sad game shows?

 

[Richard Pryor]

I don't know much about the economy, but after reading this thread I now know I wouldn't want Gus Poyet or The Coup in charge of it.

 

[Taylor]

Sliding in bed with a rich guy or two is a time honored tradition, don't know it until you do it.

I feel like it cheapens the rest of me for my value to be determined by my bedroom skills.

 

[The Coup]

I don't know much about the economy, but after reading this thread I now know I wouldn't want Gus Poyet or The Coup in charge of it.

Dangerous ideas should be scary at first. Keep reading, keep being informed and then rethink your position. I do it all the time.

 

[Todman]

Dangerous ideas should be scary at first. Keep reading, keep being informed and then rethink your position. I do it all the time.

so you won't be a communist next week?

 

[The Coup]

so you won't be a communist next week?

I couldn't say for sure but I will say its highly unlikely that I'll come across new information in the next week that changes my position of wanting workers not to be exploited by unproductive leeches.

That said, I find it equally unlikely that I'll be thinking the same about the world in say, ten years.

 

[Todman]

I couldn't say for sure but I will say its highly unlikely that I'll come across new information in the next week that changes my position of wanting workers not to be exploited by unproductive leeches.

That said, I find it equally unlikely that I'll be thinking the same about the world in say, ten years.

The boss works hard, she has to make sure the workers have work to do.

 

[The Coup]

I don't even