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liam_13 said:
Ok, so you've let your cat wander around, into someone elses property and your cat loses a battle it shouldn't be in - you think it's appropriate to wander into someone elses property and start another battle. But but I thought



Does this not apply to dogs? Many many breeds of dogs were "designed" or artifically selected to be hunters - so don't have a ******* cry if your cat, which is doing what it were designed to do, gets mauled by a dog doing what it was designed do. edit: This only applies if it's on the dogs property - if it happens in the street, like if the dog got out, then yeah, owners fault. Still don't kick the dog you ******* cruel bastard, how about take the issue to the council, who will treat the dog (remember, it's a creature doing what it was designed to do) with respect and humanity and put it down comfortably - in the case of the dog getting out and harming your pets, you take the issue up with the owner

It works both ways, I like all animals pretty much, and love cats and dogs. But cat owners who have a ******* sook when their cat starts something and loses s**t me. Same with dog owners who have a cry if I have a go at their dog when it runs up to me and starts jumping - how am I meant to know it "is just friendly", But yeah, you can't make an argument for cats natural behaviour then not apply that to dogs merely because the dog could eat your kitten.

Also, about "the cats take more time and patience"...cats are wonderful because patience is not an issue with them - they either do it or they don't. Dogs have the capability to learn (because they crave the attention and reinforcement they get when doing tricks) so much more (not just tricks - guide dogs, helper dogs, companion dogs etc), whereas most cats are happy to sit around and be pampered, but also happy to sit around and not even respond to their owner. Yeah you got the odd cat that needs time and patience and does some miraculous thing - but by and large they are not attached to their owners in the way dogs are (dogs are extremely anxious creatures), and so the time put into them often goes unrewarded - patience pretty much equals giving up.



I hate cat owners who have them for the purpose of setting them on wildlife. I hate cat owners who have full knowledge their cat has feline AIDS and still let it out where it can get into fights with other cats, passing on the disease. I hate cat owners who treat cats like s**t because they don't do tricks or get attached like a dog. I hate cat owners who let their cat out and let it s**t on my driveway/footpath - ever heard of a kitty litter you dickheads.

Again, it works both ways. Don't try to pretend you're ******* perfect and all dog owners are messed up - both cats and dogs have their faults, but their owners on both sides have more
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It's amazing isn't it. Some cat owners think it's OK for their cats to do whatever they please, then get upset when the poor cat suffers, because of their irresponsibility.
 
Got a cat and a dog.

Never liked cats, and he goes outside but usually just sits under the bushes, has only killed one bird in 11 years he's been alive (that I know of, left it at the front door) no problem letting him out during the day, at night he's in for the night plenty to entertain him inside and a litter box. Has been fixed and knows if he goes wondering around he can get hurt. Got out one night and into a fight got an eye problem from it.

Got a 5 month old rottie, playful knows when to go out but gets inside time too.
 
Dan said:
I own a staffy myself, they are an out doors type dog that need to be walked every day.
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All dogs should be exercised every day.

Sure, a young border collie or kelpie etc. should probably be run around for an hour each day and a 10 year old maltese probably only needs a 5 minute stroll but all dogs should spend time outside every day exercising. For that matter so should all humans, but that's another topic...

My dog like most sleeps maybe 3/4 of the day then leaps into action when I get home from work. He gets fed, we go for a walk (generally half an hour, 3km tops - longer or running depending on what I want to do but that's plenty) and he goes back to chewing on toys, sleeping etc. and doesn't bother anyone. If I decide to give him as much attention as normal (food, pats, belly rubs etc.) but no exercise I'll go to sit down on the couch to watch TV and he'll be there, annoying me. I'll go to use the computer and he'll be there, annoying me. Etc. I get exercise which is good for me. He gets exercise which is good for him and tires him out. Everyone wins. Exercise your dogs people!
 

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Kram81 said:
With dogs I knew someone that used to work at a Vets and they said that you just wouldn't believe the amount of people that come in to put dogs down for the most ridiculous reasons.
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My Granny had a maltese x poodle that she spoilt to a ridiculous level - to an extent that it refused to socialise with anyone (it would hide under the bed whenever she had visitors) and became quite a nasty little thing. When Granny would go visiting, it would almost always be with the dog, and the dog would dictate when they would go home. Anyway, Granny decided to move overseas a few years ago, so the dog got put down (despite the dog being perfectly healthy physically) because no one was willing (nor able) to take the dog. The dog was truly twisted by my granny. Sad thing is, given the right upbringing, the dog could have lived another 5-6 years.

Sad thing is, my UK-based great aunt/uncle (i.e. Granny's brother/sister-in-law) had an equally twisted dog. Despite the dog being a silky terrier, you couldn't touch it or it would attack you - and then you'd cop it for provoking the dog. Best part was, when we went over there for a few months as a kid, they took Mum out 'shopping', which was going to the local supermarket and walking down the dog food aisle pointing out what food they got the dog!
 
j0rdy1 said:
Uncle owns 2 dogs and I've never seen them set foot inside unless there is a storm, and they are two of the best dogs I've ever met only one of them barks and that is when he is playing Fetch. It isn't about if the dog is allowed inside or not it is about the owner and how they brought the dog up, if you make sure you're dominant in your relationship with your dog you should have no problems with its behaviour and if you do then it is entirely your fault.
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This!

Usually when a Rottweiler attacks a kid, the 'do-gooders do-nothings' kick up calling for Rottweilers to be banned claiming how dangerous they are. We've seen enough evidence to see how powerful and dangerous they can be, but they can also be the nicest animals as well.

I always remember my aunt/uncles Rottweiler. It was that well trained, I slept next to it once totally unfazed. It was basically a massive sook, and the worst thing he would do was fart and clear the room!
 
Dogs are pack animals, they need to have a pack to chill with and interact with otherwise it's not fair. IMHO dogs belong with the family not outside by themselves!

Also there is nothing worse than people who don't walk their dog (indoor or outdoor) at least every couple days, or the ones that say stuff like 'oh they have a big yard they don't need to go for a walk!'. Dogs need to be exercised and walked, and nope i don't care if your yard is the size of 3 tennis courts you need to take them for a walk or they will get bored. Get off your ass and walk the dog or don't get one!

Oh and at the same time take them to school and train them up to be not feral; nothing worse than going to the dog park when there is feral untrained/unsocialised dogs rampaging around terrorising others. These are usually the same dogs that don't have recall (and shouldn't be let off lead) so their owner is like 'come here fido, COME HERE FIDO, NONONONO FIDO COME HEEEERE!!!' for 10 min while the dog ignores and does whatever it wants, god that annoys me... CONTROL YOUR ANIMAL OR DON"T LET IT OFF THE LEAD!

ok rant over, phew
 
Domesticated dogs are NOT pack animals, nor are humans their 'pack' They rely on their human owners to survive, thus breeding the famous 'loyalty' that everyone loves about dogs.
 
Poseidon said:
Domesticated dogs are NOT pack animals, nor are humans their 'pack' They rely on their human owners to survive, thus breeding the famous 'loyalty' that everyone loves about dogs.
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Disagree. They are fine by themselves but they are social animals and so prefer to have company that being a human or another dog. Still after years of domestication they still show signs of pack mentality and heirachy when around other dogs, very much pack animals at heart.

Even show it with humans, them being submissive or challenging their owner is a pack mentality as they are either accepting their fate as a beta or trying to grab the alpha position in the pack.
 
j0rdy1 said:
Disagree. They are fine by themselves but they are social animals and so prefer to have company that being a human or another dog. Still after years of domestication they still show signs of pack mentality and heirachy when around other dogs, very much pack animals at heart.

Even show it with humans, them being submissive or challenging their owner is a pack mentality as they are either accepting their fate as a beta or trying to grab the alpha position in the pack.
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Agree, they still display the pack mentality & if an owner is ignorant of the pack mentality, they could end up with a dog who is the alpha in the family. That's when problems start, the owner has no control over the dog.
 
Admiral Afterworld said:
Hello.

Too often (every day) I see cats wandering around the streets. Do their owners not care about the tremendous damage cats have done and continue to do to native animals? Or do they think their cat somehow exists outside of reality?

Onto dogs. I don't think I've ever met an 'outside dog' (dogs that aren't let in the house) that wasn't basically ****ed in the head as a result. And they're the ones inclined to bark up a storm over trivial s**t that wouldn't matter if their owners didn't make them stay outside for **** knows what reasons.

In summary, if you fit into the above categories of pet owners, when your current cat/dog dies do Australia a favour and don't bother getting a new one.
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Buy yourself a slug gun and go hunting at night. According to every Councils' by-laws cats should be locked up at night. If you can afford the cat you can afford a cat run.
Dogs are pack\social animals and enjoy being part of the family. If they're not working or with their pack they're not having fun. Many people exploit this to create guard dogs.
Most people think that owning a cat or a dog is a right not a responsibility and species diversity is not their problem. There are a lot of people that are in for a big shock when pollution ,global warming and extinction bites them on the ass. They'll still be arguing about gay marriage.
 
Caesar said:
Sure cats kill a few things but the 'zomg they are decimating native wildlife' thing is a bit of a myth. .
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You know this how?

Caesar said:
Your average suburban / inner city cat is not going to come into contact with many endangered species.
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Again, you know this how?

Caesar said:
I mean, the most common urban bird in Australia is the Indian Myna - which is a feral pest. As far as I'm concerned, any cat that kills a myna is doing a public service..
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The trouble with cats is they will kill anything. Cats don't care. How do you stop it? If each cat kills 1 native a week how long before everything is extinct?. How nany cats are there?

Caesar said:
The real risk from domesticated pets (and it extends to both cats and dogs) is feralisation.
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Again, you know this how?
 

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You've got it the wrong way around matey. If you think that domestic cats pose a threat to at-risk native wildlife, the onus is on you to prove it. In actual fact there is pretty much no evidence to support it, because generally if a native species is at-risk it is already not surviving in suburban/urban environments. I know it is horribly distressing for sophisticated urbanites when a cat kills a cute little willy wagtail, but it is not putting the species at risk.

Talk to wildlife officers. They will tell you that properly cared-for urban domestic cats are not a remote concern. It's the feral cats and dogs they spend millions of dollars a year trying to wipe out, because they are the ones that leech out into more rural areas with delicately balanced ecosystems. They will also tell you that the pesticides used to cultivate the fruit and veggies you eat are more of a risk to endangered native birds than your next door neighbour's cat.
 
Caesar said:
You've got it the wrong way around matey. If you think that domestic cats pose a threat to at-risk native wildlife, the onus is on you to prove it. In actual fact there is pretty much no evidence to support it, because generally if a native species is at-risk it is already not surviving in suburban/urban environments. I know it is horribly distressing for sophisticated urbanites when a cat kills a cute little willy wagtail, but it is not putting the species at risk.
Talk to wildlife officers. They will tell you that properly cared-for urban domestic cats are not a remote concern. It's the feral cats and dogs they spend millions of dollars a year trying to wipe out, because they are the ones that leech out into more rural areas with delicately balanced ecosystems. They will also tell you that the pesticides used to cultivate the fruit and veggies you eat are more of a risk to endangered native birds than your next door neighbour's cat.
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Don't answer any of the uncomfortable questions.
Caesar said:
the onus is on you to prove it.
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Actually you're the one making sweeping statements that you're trying to pass off as fact.
Facts for the Eastern Jerboa Marsupial
http://www.earthsendangered.com/profile.asp?gr=&view=c&ID=4&sp=263
"The main threats to this species appear to be habitat loss due to human disturbance and the introduction of predators such as cats and foxes." Notice they don't say "Feral cats'?
 
Just read their diaries.

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garygee said:
Don't answer any of the uncomfortable questions.

Actually you're the one making sweeping statements that you're trying to pass off as fact.
Facts for the Eastern Jerboa Marsupial
http://www.earthsendangered.com/profile.asp?gr=&view=c&ID=4&sp=263
"The main threats to this species appear to be habitat loss due to human disturbance and the introduction of predators such as cats and foxes." Notice they don't say "Feral cats'?
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It doesn't say 'feral foxes' either, it's just implied. From your own link:
This species is found in scattered woodlands and scrubby semideserts.
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Not suburbia or urban environments, where domesticated cats live. Like I said, it is feral animals that are the ones who get into these fragile ecosystems and upset the balance. Not the cats that wander around cities during the daytime and are locked up between dusk and dawn.

Seriously, go and talk to a wildlife officer. The amount of misconceptions on this topic is staggering.
 
garygee said:
A fine one to talk(write), Dude you can"t even read a post correctly. Shouldn't you be referring (refereed) to the "stalking" thread?
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Okay.

If cats and dogs aren't being utilised for the advancement of science then they become little more than a vehicle for bourgeois w***ers to overcome their inability to form decent relationships with other human beings.
 
Drive through the Simpson Desert between Mt Magnet and Newman and you see cats, giant bastards, still cats call them feral if you like. They are living and thriving in the desert, but Oh no fluffy only eats Whiskas and as some flog said, and willy wag tails or some rubbish. Wake up.
 
hairy lasoo said:
Drive through the Simpson Desert between Mt Magnet and Newman and you see cats, giant bastards, still cats call them feral if you like. They are living and thriving in the desert, but Oh no fluffy only eats Whiskas and as some flog said, and willy wag tails or some rubbish. Wake up.
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Never said feral cats aren't a massive problem.
 
Caesar said:
It doesn't say 'feral foxes' either, it's just implied.
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I've read and re-read the excerpt in question and nothing is implied. More rubbish?

Caesar said:
From your own link:
Not suburbia or urban environments, where domesticated cats live. Like I said, it is feral animals that are the ones who get into these fragile ecosystems and upset the balance. Not the cats that wander around cities during the daytime and are locked up between dusk and dawn.
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Not from my link. My link (my bolding) says:
This species is found in scattered woodlands and scrubby semideserts. It is solitary and carnivorous, feeding mainly on cockroaches, spiders, and crickets. Breeding occurs in the winter and spring, and females give birth between August and November. Jerboa marsupials build their nests in soil cracks, or they may occupy abandoned burrows of other species.

The main threats to this species appear to be habitat loss due to human disturbance and the introduction of predators such as cats and foxes.
Of course your garden should be set up with Australian Natives and not like some European Fairy Park
Mine resembles a scattered woodland.

Caesar said:
Seriously, go and talk to a wildlife officer. The amount of misconceptions on this topic is staggering.
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Yours included?
I'd like to know how domesticated cats know where urban areas stop and start?
Remember this is only one species.
You've refused to answer the questions you raised.Here they are again.
How much wildlife is being killed?
How do you know the average suburban / inner city cat is not going to come into contact with many endangered species?
The trouble with cats is they will kill anything. Cats don't care. How do you stop it?
How do you know the cat that kills a Myna isn't killing native birds and animals?
 
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