List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[ElliottsMaggies]

I'm not sure if they have changed the rules, from what i understand, they haven't but how the hell is Buddt Franklin worth pick 19 and McKay worth pick 3, it's crazy.

Wasn't it due to Hawks ladder position?

'CEO Stuart Fox said the Club understands the AFL's rules.

“We understand there are rules around free agency compensation, however we believe it is inequitable that compensation is linked to ladder position," he said.

Given the extraordinary circumstances of Franklin’s departure the Club made a submission to the AFL for special consideration, but was today advised it was unsuccessful.'

 

[Horaceg]

I heard he smashed the Beer test.

I hear he did the beer test in a cubicle with his nostrils

 

[Eric Shin]

Can already see the miss spelling of Schultz’s name, is going to be a problem

I’ve already given up and succumbed to Daddy Doker’s version, which is Slutz.

Patiently waiting for the Welcome to Collingwood Lachie Slutz thread.


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[ElliottsMaggies]

Looks like this is from the AFL trade rumours page, they always put dumb backgrounds and the wrong bodies on everyone. This is the one they put up yesterday...
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Also, everything they post is bullshit.

Imagine anyone believing anything on a page that posts something like that

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I remember that we were looking at him the year the Saints grabbed him. Pulled out of the race when we heard crazy Gubby was throwing a $600k contract at him.

Reckon crazy Gubby (lol at the nickname btw) would hold the record for most $$ spent per day as GM footy in history?

 

[partypie]

If we're getting anyone from the aints, make it Highmore.

He's a nice intercepter, but his 1v1 defensive skills are lacking as is his decision making on when to stick to his man and when to go, which iirc is why he fell out of favour at St Kilda despite some rather gaudy intercept possession totals in a few games.

 

[Jen2310]

Imagine anyone believing anything on a page that posts something like that

And if you look at all the other posts, its sattire lol

 

[Apex36]

I'm fully aware of the current guidelines the committee operates under, including that vague discretionary power to "review" the outcome of any FA compensation produced by the formula and have been since that info was released.

You're still drawing a long bow to claim that Buddy leaving the premiers now would get them pick 1 automatically because it's not the case, indeed FA compo designed to benefit struggling clubs that lose their good players more. With specific reference to the Buddy situation it would more likely be a case of "suck it up you just won the flag we're not giving the team that just won the GF pick 1 over teams struggling down the bottom of the ladder".

Pretty sure that someone from the AFL has flat out said at one point that the Buddy compo would be done differently if it happened these days. They might not give pick 1 for that specific situation, but it would certainly have been a better pick than 18 (and Hawthorn were runners up that year, not premiers).

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I'm fully aware of the current guidelines the committee operates under, including that vague discretionary power to "review" the outcome of any FA compensation produced by the formula and have been since that info was released.

You're still drawing a long bow to claim that Buddy leaving the premiers now would get them pick 1 automatically because it's not the case, indeed FA compo designed to benefit struggling clubs that lose their good players more. With specific reference to the Buddy situation it would more likely be a case of "suck it up you just won the flag we're not giving the team that just won the GF pick 1 over teams struggling down the bottom of the ladder".

100%.

Sick of everyone comparing FA players and associated picks.

afl is fully committed to equalisation….that’s their main focus of the draft/fa/academies etc.

 

[mumblingpie]

So we’re giving up 2 picks for a VFL player ey

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Pretty sure that someone from the AFL has flat out said at one point that the Buddy compo would be done differently if it happened these days. They might not give pick 1 for that specific situation, but it would certainly have been a better pick than 18 (and Hawthorn were runners up that year, not premiers).

Maybe this is the AFL's way of making it up to Clarko. Giving North absolutely everything.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Imagine anyone believing anything on a page that posts something like that

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

So we’re giving up 2 picks for a VFL player ey

Who's the VFL player?

 

[davywap]

Imagine anyone believing anything on a page that posts something like that

A mate of mine sent me that, he fell for it

 

[Mollythedolly]

I'm not sure if they have changed the rules, from what i understand, they haven't but how the hell is Buddt Franklin worth pick 19 and McKay worth pick 3, it's crazy.

Link to the afl page posted above. Salient point is the last paragraph included here as well.

Not sure why McKay is relevant. Essendon dictated he get pick 3 by length of contract and salary. It’s completely in accordance with the 5 compo levels.

 

[Go Woods]

If we can't snag a JUH or Ben King

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Ben King

Age

23

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

, over the next 12 months, we need to put a sh#te load of work into convincing this kid to join the B&W over the next couple of years.

He plays like Charlie and could match Harley, so why haven’t you heard about Jed Walter?

He’s every club’s dream recruit; a big, strong, athletic teenage key forward with talent to burn, and he can’t wait to get his chance on an AFL list. The problem for 17 clubs is that one rival has had him locked away for years.

www.theage.com.au

 

[JuniorB]

Even Hawthorn reckon he needs a rocket?

Put the perpetrators into that rocket and fire them off to the nether reaches of the solar system.
That way they would stop wasting oxygen.

 

[partypie]

Pretty sure that someone from the AFL has flat out said at one point that the Buddy compo would be done differently if it happened these days. They might not give pick 1 for that specific situation, but it would certainly have been a better pick than 18 (and Hawthorn were runners up that year, not premiers).

Might want re-check that one...



p.s. isn't it frickin great to see that line at the top again...

Back on topic, I don't recall anyone from the AFL saying anything of the sort either back then or in the years since, if anything they have gone to almost painful lengths to keep discussion around the committee's "discretionary powers" as vague as possible, with their focus being much more on manipulation of the draft that follows. A lot of press and some club noise about it yes, but nothing specific from the AFL.

 

[Soups]

You mean just like how we’re constantly questioning whether we are talking about the coach or the young fella who racks the pill in the VFL?


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Need to recruit more John Smith’s imo.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Might want re-check that one...

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p.s. isn't it frickin great to see that line at the top again...

Back on topic, I don't recall anyone from the AFL saying anything of the sort either back then or in the years since, if anything they have gone to almost painful lengths to keep discussion around the committee's "discretionary powers" as vague as possible, with their focus being much more on manipulation of the draft that follows. A lot of press and some club noise about it yes, but nothing specific from the AFL.

The only relevant comparison was GAJ to GC….what did cats get?

They finished pretty high up that year……pick 1?

 

[Masked Magician]

Freo want our future picks

 

[DIDAIC0S]

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Jack Ugle Crisp!


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[Mollythedolly]

I'm fully aware of the current guidelines the committee operates under, including that vague discretionary power to "review" the outcome of any FA compensation produced by the formula and have been since that info was released.

You're still drawing a long bow to claim that Buddy leaving the premiers now would get them pick 1 automatically because it's not the case, indeed FA compo designed to benefit struggling clubs that lose their good players more. With specific reference to the Buddy situation it would more likely be a case of "suck it up you just won the flag we're not giving the team that just won the GF pick 1 over teams struggling down the bottom of the ladder".

My exact words were “they’d likely get pick 1”. Nothing certain or automatic in that. It’d come down to what the panel recommends, but 1 thing I am sure of is that it would be way better than pick 18. The tenure and salary would demand it just as they justified the changes to the rule.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

My exact words were “they’d likely get pick 1”. Nothing certain or automatic in that. It’d come down to what the panel recommends, but 1 thing I am sure of is that it would be way better than pick 18. The tenure and salary would demand it just as they justified the changes to the rule.

Length isn’t factored in.
The only things considered are age and avg. income for the contract….no matter how many years it is.

Also, interesting side note (and this is more a question), the last part of the rules say the committee can intervene….but are they allowed to recommend anything outside the bands? Or are they constrained to work within the bands, but flag things where they think it’s wrong.

 

[Big Bryza]

I wouldn’t think so that would be petty. Hopefully it was more based around playing more midfield before the end of his career.


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Midfield, yes. But let's not pretend this wasn't a financial decision for Adams above anything else. 2.4 mil for 3 years versus maybe 1-2 500k contracts at the pies.