Combined Kurt Tippett contract negotiation/trade possibility thread

[srv23]

Prepare to be very disappointed and very surprised.

Some people at the club know exactly what has happened and I suspect that they will not hold back this time. There was no witch hunt when they found out that Phil Davis had signed with GWS at the end of 2010, the anger increased when they realised that Hawthorn had stiched up Gunston in the middle of the 2011 season but they will be white hot with anger when it becomes public that Kurt did a deal at the end of last year.

The off season will be very memorable this year.

P.S. One of the trainers is not a source. A board member is a source.

For what it's worth this wouldn't surprise me. A friend of mine told me that after last years trade period he was talking to a crows player who he knows very well and the player very candidly told him that in his opinion the club should have traded Tippett last year because he would definitely leave to go to Qld at the end of his contract this year. Obviously second hand info but I trust this person and know his relationship with the player is legit.

 

[macca23]

Would your opinion change if it was established that Kurt signed a contract with the Gold Coast at the end of last season?

Yes, I would be very disappointed. And very surprised.

Prepare to be very disappointed and very surprised.

Huge statement AFGM.

You state it as if it is a fact.

Are you prepared to put your credibility on the line publicly, backing what you have said above??

 

[Wood_Duck]

I'd like to see tangible evidence that this issue is affecting our team spirit. Not the read between the lines conspiracy theorist assumptions, but real, tangible evidence..

What were you watching at the Gabba on Saturday night?

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Well afgm, I just have to say if the board member knows and others within the club don't, and my mail is they don't, then he/she has been negligent.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that the CEO received information that a player had signed with another club (e.g. Tom Scully at Melbourne). Who is the CEO obliged to inform

1) The Board - absolutely

2) General Manager Football operations - probably

3) Senior Coach - possibly

 

[Wood_Duck]

Huge statement AFGM.

You state it as if it is a fact.

Are you prepared to put your credibility on the line publicly, backing what you have said above??

Why should he? Not like he's the first person to post something on here they've heard from what they believe is a reliable source.

 

[BamBam10]

Posted this on our board but thought I'd get an opinion for you guys, even though some of you have already said he is a definite to be at GC.

Should that be BS how would you guys feel about:

Adelaide recieve: Lycett & WC first round pick
Brisbane recieve: Tippett
WC recieve: Pick 8

I dont think it's too bad, if your list managers don't necessarily want a top 10 pick but value a ready made replacement more then you recieve Lycett ready to go as well as a mid to late teens pick.

We recieve the player we reportedly have thrown big money at and spent last offseason chasing.

WC recieve a top 10 pick for a player that can't make the team currently however rate extremely highly and would be getting a go anywhere else as well as upgrading their original mid/late teen pick for a top 10.


Feel free to criticise, I got thick skin

 

[Wood_Duck]

Well afgm, I just have to say if the board member knows and others within the club don't, and my mail is they don't, then he/she has been negligent.

Come on Jen, no disrespect but if you were expecting a phone call from Phil with the latest details, you may have been expecting s bit much.

 

[macca23]

Why should he? Not like he's the first person to post something on here they've heard from what they believe is a reliable source.

True.

AFGM has very dogmatic views though, and I was interested in seeing how far he would go!!

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Posted this on our board but thought I'd get an opinion for you guys, even though some of you have already said he is a definite to be at GC.

Should that be BS how would you guys feel about:

Adelaide recieve: Lycett & WC first round pick
Brisbane recieve: Tippett
WC recieve: Pick 8

I dont think it's too bad, if your list managers don't necessarily want a top 10 pick but value a ready made replacement more then you recieve Lycett ready to go as well as a mid to late teens pick.

We recieve the player we reportedly have thrown big money at and spent last offseason chasing.

WC recieve a top 10 pick for a player that can't make the team currently however rate extremely highly and would be getting a go anywhere else as well as upgrading their original mid/late teen pick for a top 10.


Feel free to criticise, I got thick skin

If Brisbane want to give up pick 8 for Tippett, I would rather just do it directly rather than get Lycett and another late first rounder. I haven't seen that much from Lycett to get excited about tbh. Anyway, Lycett signed a new deal earlier in the year and seems unlikely to go anywhere.

 

[jenny61_99]

Jenny, surely you don't believe that Tippet's delay in making any decision at all - at his request - is related to his concussion. Easter bunny isn't real either.

I actually do Macca. My mail is that he was ready to sign with us prior to the concussion situation and talks were put on hold. I think there are real concerns related to his long term future in the game. I could absolutely be wrong, but it seems strange that he was going to sign, it coming out that his father is making noises about him coming home, and I think it is all to do with that. I have been told it is not to do with money.

You've never been part of a footy team, Jen. It wouldn't affect a lot of the players, but it will affect some, because a footy club is made up of a variety of people with differing values and ideas.

No, not part of a footy team other than as a manager at junior level. But part of many teams in my younger years, both sporting at state level and professional. There were always player/personnel movements - some that surprised, some that didn't. Essentially everyone just gets on with the job at hand and not worry about those things you can't control. And our players said pretty much the same thing over the weekend here in Brisbane. They just want him to focus on playing for us right now, not worrying about next season.

You're making it sound as if we are waiting until the end of the year before we make up our mind whether we want to re-sign him or not. We'd sign him today if he said he wanted to sign.

No, not at all, I believe he and his management are waiting to make the decision at the end of the year. I agree, we'd get it done now, although with what he's just been through in terms of concussions, I don't think it's all that bad an idea to wait to see how the rest of the seasons pans out.

 

[Jars458]

Prepare to be very disappointed and very surprised.

Some people at the club know exactly what has happened and I suspect that they will not hold back this time. There was no witch hunt when they found out that Phil Davis had signed with GWS at the end of 2010, the anger increased when they realised that Hawthorn had stiched up Gunston in the middle of the 2011 season but they will be white hot with anger when it becomes public that Kurt did a deal at the end of last year.

The off season will be very memorable this year.

P.S. One of the trainers is not a source. A board member is a source.

So Kurt LIED to the whole playing list on Monday. Well if so, it will be on for young and old post season as you say.

 

[jenny61_99]

What were you watching at the Gabba on Saturday night?

A team that played sensationally well in the first quarter and then thought they had it won so shut up shop. If the Tippett saga is upsetting them, they certainly didn't show signs of it in that first quarter.

 

[Team DJ]

I think you grossly underestimate the complexity of a contract negotiation.

Please if he or any other player cant handle playing and negotiating a new contract they need a helmet to survive in every day life.

How many different things do you juggle every day stabby?

I would personally have near on 10 important things everyday that i need to be able to cope with.

 

[srv23]

Please if he or any other player cant handle playing and negotiating a new contract they need a helmet to survive in every day life.

How many different things do you juggle every day stabby?

I would personally have near on 10 important things everyday that i need to be able to cope with.

Yes - but you have to remember these are not ordinary people - these are grown men in their 20's who can't bear the thought of being a short plane trip away from their mummy's and daddy's despite the fact that they are earning several 100k per year to play professional sport

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm just grateful that Doughty announced his intentions to retire. As he said he didnt want anything to distract and he is obvioulsy a team player. Fair dinkum, if anyone is naive enough to think this wasnt a dig at Kurt then they truly do believe in Santa.

Whether Doughty played on or not was no distraction what so ever. He knows it but he also knows Kurt not signing is a distraction. Couple that with Reillys annoyance, and we have proof this is a distraction.

 

[Wood_Duck]

A team that played sensationally well in the first quarter and then thought they had it won so shut up shop. If the Tippett saga is upsetting them, they certainly didn't show signs of it in that first quarter.

So losing after leading by 41 points against the 13th ranked team in the comp with a home final at stake is not a bad sign.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

A team that played sensationally well in the first quarter and then thought they had it won so shut up shop. If the Tippett saga is upsetting them, they certainly didn't show signs of it in that first quarter.

Your quite correct Jenny, players would never lie to their team mates. Last year Tom Scully said on numerous occasions that he was still making up his mind. Then in November 15 2011 the following article appeared in the Herald Sun

The Herald Sun has obtained a copy of a "Letter of Offer" to Phil Scully signed by GWS football boss Graeme "Gubby" Allan on November 10, 2010 - 12 months before the contentious deal was made public.
It reveals Scully Sr was guaranteed a job until October 2017 as the club's Melbourne-based recruiting scout on an annual salary of $100,000, with an increase of 5 per cent every year."

Even Demon-Jenny had to admit that sweet young Tom "could not handle the truth"

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Posted this on our board but thought I'd get an opinion for you guys, even though some of you have already said he is a definite to be at GC.

Should that be BS how would you guys feel about:

Adelaide recieve: Lycett & WC first round pick
Brisbane recieve: Tippett
WC recieve: Pick 8

I dont think it's too bad, if your list managers don't necessarily want a top 10 pick but value a ready made replacement more then you recieve Lycett ready to go as well as a mid to late teens pick.

We recieve the player we reportedly have thrown big money at and spent last offseason chasing.

WC recieve a top 10 pick for a player that can't make the team currently however rate extremely highly and would be getting a go anywhere else as well as upgrading their original mid/late teen pick for a top 10.


Feel free to criticise, I got thick skin

Not really

Pick 17 or 18 and a very unknown quantity in terms of playing AFL.Basically, we're getting pick 17 (or there about) and a 3rd rounder.

I'd think we should be getting a top 5 pick and a high second rounder (pick 20 to 30) for Tippett.

 

[Vader]

Your quite correct Jenny, players would never lie to their team mates. Last year Tom Scully said on numerous occasions that he was still making up his mind. Then in November 15 2011 the following article appeared in the Herald Sun

The Herald Sun has obtained a copy of a "Letter of Offer" to Phil Scully signed by GWS football boss Graeme "Gubby" Allan on November 10, 2010 - 12 months before the contentious deal was made public.
It reveals Scully Sr was guaranteed a job until October 2017 as the club's Melbourne-based recruiting scout on an annual salary of $100,000, with an increase of 5 per cent every year."

Even Demon-Jenny had to admit that sweet young Tom "could not handle the truth"

Nobody is suggesting that this isn't disrupting the other players.. at least, I don't think they are. However, using last Saturday's result as any sort of proof that they're upset is just plain ludicrous.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I still stand by the fact, I think negotiations between Tippet's management and the club have been placed on hold to remove this from the spotlight.

Either way, I believe the club know what he's doing and will be working on obtaining a deal to get the best end result.

Should that be a trade with the GC or Brisbane or an extended contract with Tippett, no way would the club be waiting 7 or 8 weeks to resume this.

I think we will hear something positive (stays) or negative (leaving) the Monday or Tuesday after our final game.

 

[1970crow]

Yes, I would be very disappointed. And very surprised. I believe he was ready to sign with us in July but then the concussions happened and talks were put on hold. I still firmly believe the concussion issue is at the bottom of all this. The club appointment with his management up here last weekend was an appointment set up weeks before (before the third concussion).



I'd like to see tangible evidence that this issue is affecting our team spirit. Not the read between the lines conspiracy theorist assumptions, but real, tangible evidence.

There's no doubt as a club we'd like to have him locked away before the finals start. No doubt. And because I know this is not about the money, I believe they are waiting to see how he fares in the remaining games before making their final decision.

i'm not disagreeing with you. but in what form would 'real, tangible evidence' actually be. maybe us losing to brisbane fits the description, but maybe it wasn't. the only form of tangible evidence you will get will be a player coming out saying that it is affecting team spirit. firstly, this won't happen, even if a player thinks it is true and secondly, even if a player did say it, it's really only his opinion, so really isn't tangible proof.

you are setting an impossible standard.

 

[Hank93]

Quick Poll as I can't be bothered scrawling through the past 30 pages.

Is he staying or going?

I think he's gone.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Nobody is suggesting that this isn't disrupting the other players.. at least, I don't think they are. However, using last Saturday's result as any sort of proof that they're upset is just plain ludicrous.

It was our worst performance of the year. Coincidence? Who knows

 

[spenze]

I'm not sure where the Kurt signed with GC last year comes from, I mean if Brisbane would have said yes to Redden and Polec then he'd be with the Lions now, so that can be nothing more than a rumour.

As to the rest of this debate, I'm not so sure Tippett is leaving after what has happened in the last couple of weeks. If he wasn't going to play for Adelaide next year, then he could have just taken the rest of the year off under medical advice, it really wouldn't have been hard to do. As it is, he did everything required of him to get back in the team and be a part of this year, even though it is fair to say one more concussion this year will mean his career is in jeopardy.

So, given that, a man who is risking his own health for the clubs benefit, is being pillored by a growing number of this board for doing the wrong thing ( signing a contract in his own time, which he is allowed to do) by the team.

I am no way certain either way to whether he stays or goes but if he does, we shall get some good compensation, if he doesn't, we will have a decent double act in our forward 50 and at the end of the day if he does go I wish him well, knowing he risked his health and gave his all for us whilst he was here.

 

[The Karma Bus]

It was supposed to be sorted out earlier. Then Tippett got concussed.. repeatedly. That forced if on the backburners until last week, at which point all parties decided that it was best sorted out after the season was over, to minimise disruption to the finals campaign.

And to correct your statement.. it's not about the supporters at all. Despite the fact that many of them have a sense of entitlement, their desires are completely and utterly irrelevant.

How is any of this unprofessional?

Regardless if this is true, it would be interesting if their desires were to not/stop putting money into a club.. To not buy memberships.. To not turn up to games.. I think the club could turn into being utterly irrelevant then..