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Do we need somebody like that though? Collingwood dont have this person and they won the premiership last year, we won it in 2018 without one too.
This depends largely on our confidence of acquiring the KPDs I mentioned (or others). Very happy to rookie HEdwards (unless he has a good season and deserves an extension to stay on the main list) for 2025 and tell Jamo he has one year to show he deserves persisting with in the event that a good trade for TB became available. Look what happened when we told Gov he was unfit and threw him into the backline after he came back from his holiday. I think the club has been a bit short sighted with some list decisions (like after the Kelly trade clearly wasn’t going to deliver another flag). I hope we’ve learnt from that and we’re thinking what the list looks like in 2026/2027 even if that means more pain in the meantime rather than chasing wins to the detriment of our medium/long term prospects.
I’d value BW at a pick around 30. Don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest packaging that up to a team desperate for KPF/rucks to try and move up the order. Certainly don’t think he’s just a set of steak knives.BW ain't going to be involved in any deal netting us a 1st round pick, beyond being steak knives in such a trade.
Take the yellow and blue tinted glassed off
If BWilliams doesn't warrant selection in your best 22, ahead of Waterman or Maric, because he hasn't done anything, then he's not worth a first round pick in a trade, nor is he valuable as an added on player in a trade that nets you a first round pick.
See, that's just a trade to dump BWilliams contract.
If he's not best 22 with you guys, who is he best 22 with?
He is B22. I said in the event that we bring in English where he would not be in B22 IMO. Grundy is a perfect example. Not B22 at Melbourne but worth a lot more at another club. To be clear I never said he was worth a 1R pick, I said we should look at what we could do to try and move up the draft order and he’s a player with currency, especially for a team crying out for talls.
Its not about chasing wins, we need to be competitive, and with our midfield likely not being able to go toe to toe with most other teams for at least a couple more years, we really need a strong backline. Losing TB and trying to fill the gaps with HEdwards, Jamo, or any youngsters like buss/bazzo/etc is just not going to be cut it.
I agree, and id rather BW over pick 30, id rather him over pick 20 too tbh, even if we got English. In 2-3 years time when A.Reid or J.Williams are ready to go ill probably think differently.
Sound reasoning as to why we shouldn’t trade him but I’d still prefer plug a hole for a year (not with Bazzo/Buss they are 3rd talls for time being) provided we’re confident of filling it after that. Plenty of other senior boys around for stability. Also remember we played the last 6 games without TB last year, won 2 of them, lost 1 by a point interstate and probably looked the best we had all year.
I reckon if you asked North Melbourne if they’d prefer pick 30 in the draft this year or an established 23yo. ruck/forward who has played every game last year they’d take the ruck/forward.
Compare him to other ruck/forwards and he measures up fine. Its the ability to do both which gives him value
True. They may want to select a midfielder or midfielder/forward to balance their list.
I actually think he’s tracking just fine for a 23yo ruck, his forward craft needs work but given he’s just spent the entire year rucking there’s scope for improvement.
I think we can all agree on that, just pie in the sky before we’ve even played a game but Twomey was pretty adamant on Gettable that we’ve made it clear to English over summer we want him.
Ok say we trade out TB at the end of the year, Gov is 32 and not a lockdown defender, Bazzo in his 4th year, and isnt really a natural lockdown defender either. If we get Buss who will be in his 3rd year, who is a similar type of player to Bazzo we still dont have somebody to play on the real big forwards like Tex.
We showed end of last year that we could cover TB without being worse (we looked better in fact). HEdwards was tracking well this preseason, the finger fracture was just unlucky. Jamo I don’t think will get another contract but he’s still contracted this year and next and can play a role, even if it’s temporary. As I said we’d need to be confident we could get a younger KP lock down defender (Taylor ideal) at the end of 2025 or 2026 latest.
Maybe if we got a good deal from the Swans which came with Hamling maybe as a replacement for a couple years, then sure maybe thats viable. Maybe the Swans have assets to trade if they trade Mcdonald to freo. Itd need to be an amazing deal on the condition we find a replacement we are confident in playing all year imo.
Rumours are that Sheldrick needs to work on his defensive game, so he doesnt fulfill that Mitchell or Dunkley role, dont know enough about Carroll tbh.
My hopes are for Reid to be in a bit of a Petracca mould, and Hewett to be somewhat a bit of a mix of Yeo/Rozee. Those guys have no issues going 25+ touches regularly. We dont really have a player that can do the "daicos role", but hopefully our first pick this year is that silky outside player.
