Recruiting EFC Trade/Draft Talk II with F/A rules in OP - Billings for a fourth rounder the latest rumour

[Yoda_]

Those hard decisions we've been loathed to make as a club in recent years are about to be asked again this off season.

Dalgleish, Lauchlan
Dempsey, Courtney
Hams, Will
Kavanagh, Elliott
O'Brien, Nicholas
Pears, Tayte

All guys who are out of contract and are going to have some tough love from dodo & co.

Add to that the retirements of Fletcher, Winderlich, Chapman and very unlikely Jobe Watson.

Seeing 6 - 10 list changes this off season is a very realistic possibility.

 

[Nasty Penguin]

Those hard decisions we've been loathed to make as a club in recent years are about to be asked again this off season.

Dalgleish, Lauchlan
Dempsey, Courtney
Hams, Will
Kavanagh, Elliott
O'Brien, Nicholas
Pears, Tayte

All guys who are out of contract and are going to have some tough love from dodo & co.

Add to that the retirements of Fletcher, Winderlich, Chapman and very unlikely Jobe Watson.

Seeing 6 - 10 list changes this off season is a very realistic possibility.

Of those you listed
Dalgleish, Lauchlan - delist. Think Browne, Ashby and Gleeson are ahead of him right now
Dempsey, Courtney - trade
Hams, Will - rookie
Kavanagh, Elliott - trade/rookie
O'Brien, Nicholas - one year deal. Think he's shown enough to the coaches he's getting it.
Pears, Tayte - delist

Think all three of Fletcher, Winderlich and Chapman will retire. Jobe will go on but not as captain imo.

 

[Towno78]

Those hard decisions we've been loathed to make as a club in recent years are about to be asked again this off season.

Dalgleish, Lauchlan
Dempsey, Courtney
Hams, Will
Kavanagh, Elliott
O'Brien, Nicholas
Pears, Tayte

All guys who are out of contract and are going to have some tough love from dodo & co.

Add to that the retirements of Fletcher, Winderlich, Chapman and very unlikely Jobe Watson.

Seeing 6 - 10 list changes this off season is a very realistic possibility.

Of the uncontracted players, where I see it:
Chapman - retire
Fletch - retire
Winders - retire
Pears - delist

Carlisle - potentially traded (unwillingly of course)
Dempsey - ?
Hams - ?
Dalgleish - ?
Kav - ?
NOB - ?

TBC - re-sign
Browne - re-sign likely, but dependent on next 6 weeks
Fantasia - re-sign
Gwilt - re-sign
Melksham - re-sign
Stanton - re-sign

Of the middle group, can't see us moving on more than 2 of the question marks, I would say 5 or max 6 primary list changes, one of those spots for Smack.

 

[calyam]

Those hard decisions we've been loathed to make as a club in recent years are about to be asked again this off season.

Dalgleish, Lauchlan
Dempsey, Courtney
Hams, Will
Kavanagh, Elliott
O'Brien, Nicholas
Pears, Tayte

All guys who are out of contract and are going to have some tough love from dodo & co.

Add to that the retirements of Fletcher, Winderlich, Chapman and very unlikely Jobe Watson.

Seeing 6 - 10 list changes this off season is a very realistic possibility.

Realistically we will be at the bottom end of that range, which should save the like of O'Brien and Kav. Fletcher, Winderlich and Chapman will obviously retire. Dempsey and Pears must be in a big trouble and you'd think one or two others won't come back leaving us with six or seven changes. If we decide to upgrade McKernan or Steinberg then that would allow us to delist more deadwood.

 

[Thunder_Dan]

I could handle us trading Carlisle but it has to be for either a ruckman or key forward. Use the draft to pick your smaller and faster on ballers as taller players are naturally going to take longer to develop.

I think Dixon would be a great pick up for him. He has great hands and is a reliable shot at goals.
Most importantly is his second and third efforts most of the time are great unlike carlisles.

Could try package a deal for Zac smith as well

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Yeah the pick we get for Jake should be used to try and get Dixon.

 

[Thunder_Dan]

Yeah the pick we get for Jake should be used try and get Dixon.

Gold Coast might be interested in a trade as they would play him back which would make Carlisle interested

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Gold Coast might be interested in a trade as they would play him back which would make Carlisle interested

Just need Rocket to convince him.

 

[Thunder_Dan]

Just need Rocket to convince him.

We can only hope. I just can't see Carlisle Improving forward and we can't keep trying backman forward. Carlisle has a great game kicks 4 goals then is quiet for weeks

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Is Jetta heading away from Sydney? If so, would you look at him?

Carlisle needs to be open to Sydney for us to get a good deal as there is plenty of good opportunities for us there.I'm especially keen on Treloar.
We seem to have a good relationship with GWS so we might be able to lure him here. Word on the street however says that Carlisle wants to stay in Melbourne and I just don't think we will land a good deal here. Will really limit our options.
Bulldogs, who are seemingly interested in him, really don't have much to offer us at all.
Carlton's top pick is too high for them to agree on and really don't have much quality to offer outside of that.
St Kilda don't seem like they are willing to part with quality or their first round pick. Neither is Melbourne.

I really don't see much potential here. Seems like we will get done over again if we trade with a Melbourne club. Then the whole "look at Essendon being difficult" will start again when they would never accept it for their own clubs.

Dogs have plenty to offer. A few on the outer who are decent players + First round pick

 

[eth-dog]

I think Hams and Dalgleish are players that have spent so long off the park that you're never sure that they'll get the requisite strength and endurance respectively to make it.

 

[Strike Swiftly]

NO'B had 10 kicks, maybe one of which were marked. Stanton had 26 and hit up targets regularly.

So many touches, maybe 5 metres gained if he's lucky for NO'B. Typical NO'B game.

Inside mid vs outside

 

[Zach Package]

I think Hams and Dalgleish are players that have spent so long off the park that you're never sure that they'll get the requisite strength and endurance respectively to make it.

You'd seriously have to wonder about us if Hams does go. We obviously picked him knowing that he'd require a bit of physical development, and despite that he still managed to force his way into the seniors in his first year, and he's been injured ever since.

At worst he should be demoted to the rookie list, at best I'd be happy to offer him another year or two

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

My personal assessment, feel free to critique

Chapman- Retire.
Fletch- Retire.
Winderlich- Retire.
Stanton- 1 year, he wants 2 and probably should get it and then finish up.
Obrien- 1 year, regular senior selection and we go from there.
Kav- I'd like to say 1 year but hes not being played at the moment, but I have high hopes he'll be selected and hopefully show something later this year.
Ashby- Not sure.... he contracted?
Hams- Delist
Steinberg- Delist
Dempsey- Probably lose him for nothing, not against keeping him though.
Belly- 1 year contract. Show us your body can hold up.
Carlisle - Would love him to stay but he won't. Get best possible we can for him. Happy to be wrong about him leaving.
Pears- Has to be delisted if he doesn't get a go at senior level. 100%.
Browne- See how he goes but think hes a near certainty to get 1 year.
Dalgleish- delist
Long- rerookie
Aylett- rerookie
McKenna- rerookie
McKernan - upgrade
7 possible spots. 1 for upgrade for McKernan. Maybe we can get a player+ pick for Carlisle. Must draft a KPP (Curnow, Francis spring to mind) and then I'm happy to select best available with other selections.

Pick up Luenberger for nothing. Don't overpay. Get 3 rucks on the list. Also rookie a ruck.

 

[monty1104]

Chapman- Retire.
Fletch- Retire.
Winderlich- Retire.
Stanton- 2 years
Obrien- 1 year
Kav- delist
Ashby- 1 year
Hams- Delist
Steinberg- 1 year
Dempsey- delist
Belly- 1 year
Carlisle - 3 years/trade if he wants to leave
Pears- delist
Browne- 1 year
Dalgleish- 1 year

 

[TheFrenchCut]

Does anyone know if and when Charlie Curnow is meant to be playing again this year? Am interested in what I've heard about him and wouldn't mind watching a game or two of his for an assignment or something.

 

[citizen-erased]

Those hard decisions we've been loathed to make as a club in recent years are about to be asked again this off season.

Dalgleish, Lauchlan forgive me if he's been injured, but delist.
Dempsey, Courtney retain if not picked up as an FA. Convert into a forward. Too fumbly for defence
Hams, Will Delist. In and out over the years. Hasn't made it.
Kavanagh, Elliott Keep. Our inside mids aren't getting younger. Even if he takes another year
O'Brien, Nicholas Leaning towards keep after the last 2 games. Will revisit at seasons end
Pears, Tayte If he doesn't play AFL this year, gotta seriously question if he can come back. In the Gumbleton file. Sad.

All guys who are out of contract and are going to have some tough love from dodo & co.

Add to that the retirements of Fletcher, Winderlich, Chapman and very unlikely Jobe Watson.

Seeing 6 - 10 list changes this off season is a very realistic possibility.

 

[eth-dog]

You'd seriously have to wonder about us if Hams does go. We obviously picked him knowing that he'd require a bit of physical development, and despite that he still managed to force his way into the seniors in his first year, and he's been injured ever since.

At worst he should be demoted to the rookie list, at best I'd be happy to offer him another year or two

When you spend so much time off the park and require that much physical development to survive it just looks like a long shot for him to make it.

 

[MAAAATTDAAAAMON]

Chapman- Retire.
Fletch- Retire.
Winderlich- Retire.
Stanton- 1 year only please
O'Brien- 1 year- not unhappy to delist though
Kav- delist
Ashby- 2 years
Hams- Delist
Steinberg- delist
Dempsey- delist
Belly- 2 years if he'll stay
Carlisle - 3 years/trade if he wants to leave
Pears- delist
Browne- 1-2 years
Dalgleish- 1 year
Aylett - unsure
McKenna - rerookie
Smack - upgrade

Would like to trade Cooney for peanuts. Won't happen.

 

[Yoda_]

I think Hams and Dalgleish are players that have spent so long off the park that you're never sure that they'll get the requisite strength and endurance respectively to make it.

Have to agree with you here mate.

Think the silly off season changes are becoming a little bit clearer for mine.

The biggest one for me is who stays out of Kav or Hams? Doubt both will stay, however, is keep both for list blame purposes.

 

[Yoda_]

You'd seriously have to wonder about us if Hams does go. We obviously picked him knowing that he'd require a bit of physical development, and despite that he still managed to force his way into the seniors in his first year, and he's been injured ever since.

At worst he should be demoted to the rookie list, at best I'd be happy to offer him another year or two

With the way things are panning out, I'd be happy to demote Hams to the rookie list.

Not the most ideal circumstance but a likely scenario.

 

[Howard Moon]

whats with all the 1 year for Browne calls?

give him 3! hes got something most of the rest of that lot dont. lets show a little faith.

where did the Carslile to bulldogs rumour come from? can they afford after boyds 5 million?

Would first round and Hunter cut it?

i know lots here dont like hunter but i do, id like to take a stab at him either way, hes unhappy and deserves more chances, was good on the weekend at his fisrt crack.

 

[Snake Charmer]

whats with all the 1 year for Browne calls?

give him 3! hes got something most of the rest of that lot dont. lets show a little faith.

where did the Carslile to bulldogs rumour come from? can they afford after boyds 5 million?

Would first round and Hunter cut it?

i know lots here dont like hunter but i do, id like to take a stab at him either way, hes unhappy and deserves more chances, was good on the weekend at his fisrt crack.

We have shown plenty of faith in Browne. He needs 1 yea deal play a full injury free season then he can have 2-3 years

 

[Howard Moon]

We have shown plenty of faith in Browne. He needs 1 yea deal play a full injury free season then he can have 2-3 years

hate for him to get head hunted after recieving a derogatory deal, i think that highly of him...

 

[BrunoV]

Those hard decisions we've been loathed to make as a club in recent years are about to be asked again this off season.

Dalgleish, Lauchlan
Dempsey, Courtney
Hams, Will
Kavanagh, Elliott
O'Brien, Nicholas
Pears, Tayte

All guys who are out of contract and are going to have some tough love from dodo & co.

Add to that the retirements of Fletcher, Winderlich, Chapman and very unlikely Jobe Watson.

Seeing 6 - 10 list changes this off season is a very realistic possibility.

It still does not sit comfortably with me that we are now going to get tough on players who have been starved of opportunities until now.

There is plenty to suggest that Edwards has risen to the occasion (he has never played VFL games in which his pressure off the ball has been what it has been at AFL level). O'Brien might still be a player on the back of a game that can't be ignored. While I have minimal love for him as a player, Colyer got his opportunity last year and seems to have done enough (he basically got a game out of necessity).

Browne looks like he has 'come good' and that he just needed to get over his injury troubles.

I'd hate to think that Dalgleish got de-listed because he was struggling with injury when we finally started to give opportunities to players (and he has been struggling since the Richmond game). The same goes for Kavanagh who couldn't hold on long enough to get through that shit period that ended with the St Kilda game. Other than being totally outgunned in his second game trying to tag Hannebery in a game in which Sydney destroyed us Aylett has not done a thing wrong and has a heap of useful AFL level attributes.

We should get tough but it should be about developing expectations of players (in terms of skill, decision making, work off the ball and mobility - effort is not enough and it becomes a particularly self-fulfilling selection criteria) and being realistic about players like Dempsey, Melksham and Howlett who, 100 games into their careers, hardly seem to have developed as players. The selection of a specialist pressure applyer is some bullshit that needs to end because it's a concession made to enable the failing senior group to continue to play.