Review Good bad and ugly vs the dees

[UcantCme]

Good

• Murray now our best KPF
• Nav, play him in the team for the rest of the season
• our fight to keep playing the game out

Bad

• our inconsistency within games
• Izak hammy
• Sloane, the club will just keep playing him
• Milera, biggest disappointment on our list

Ugly
- Izak’s injury


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[NSolis]

Yes but its always Thilthorpe doing the bench time. This game Fogarty had 8 disposals with 94% ground time, Walker 9 disposals 86% game time, and Thilthorpe 11 disposals with 65%. Internally TT must be very frustrated or exceedingly patient.

Not always - just this week. Look at last week, it was game time in the 70s for Fogarty and Walker and 60s for Thilthorpe, and McAdam got subbed out.

I think they are still figuring it out.

 

[BunjiMac]

I agree our mids need to be better.

If I am to attribute blame for these scenarios, it is 80% the mids way.


If Tex and Fog had better delivery it would be easier for them.

Just think forwards being more mobile can give us more chances from such poor chances.





The core problem we have is midfield. And specifically drafting quality mids. The last high calibre mid we have drafted is Geelong’s captain.


We do ok in developing mid range draft midfield talent. Sloane and Laird. Even Keays.


But elite talent is identified in the draft




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We prefer the Sloane types and will invest more time into these types.

We've created this situation ourselves and its a deliberate football philosophy that we've had for many years now.

 

[BunjiMac]

He’s waited in the past until after 3/4 time.
I can’t pin this on him, Murray could have got injured half way though the last.

Surely you'd just wait for 3/4 time?

 

[1990crow]

We prefer the Sloane types and will invest more time into these types.

We've created this situation ourselves and its a deliberate football philosophy that we've had for many years now.

We accept mediocrity.

 

[Head Selector]

Good - We are better off with higher draft pick an easier draw to attack 2024

 

[FR0GGY]

Surely you'd just wait for 3/4 time?

It seems logical, but injuries can happen at any time.

 

[cmndstab]

Not sure if this will be controversial or not, and I have no idea if the stats back me up on this... but I don't think Jordan Dawson

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Jordan Dawson

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

is an engine-room midfielder. I mean, he's good anywhere he plays of course, but I don't think he's particularly good when the ball is bobbling around. His hands are not great below his knees and he's not particularly explosive or quick. And his great kick is less effective when he has to dispose of the ball quickly.

He should be the guy just outside the clearance that we get the ball to, not the guy right at the coal face.

 

[BunjiMac]

Not sure if this will be controversial or not, and I have no idea if the stats back me up on this... but I don't think Jordan Dawson is an engine-room midfielder. I mean, he's good anywhere he plays of course, but I don't think he's particularly good when the ball is bobbling around. His hands are not great below his knees and he's not particularly explosive or quick.

He should be the guy just outside the clearance that we get the ball to, not the guy right at the coal face.

That's why we need that second big bodied and preferably explosive player.

The lack of any of any real size in our midfield forces Dawson to play this role.

 

[WeeBlake]

Not sure if this will be controversial or not, and I have no idea if the stats back me up on this... but I don't think Jordan Dawson is an engine-room midfielder. I mean, he's good anywhere he plays of course, but I don't think he's particularly good when the ball is bobbling around. His hands are not great below his knees and he's not particularly explosive or quick. And his great kick is less effective when he has to dispose of the ball quickly.

He should be the guy just outside the clearance that we get the ball to, not the guy right at the coal face.

I wonder about this too

 

[1990crow]

Not sure if this will be controversial or not, and I have no idea if the stats back me up on this... but I don't think Jordan Dawson is an engine-room midfielder. I mean, he's good anywhere he plays of course, but I don't think he's particularly good when the ball is bobbling around. His hands are not great below his knees and he's not particularly explosive or quick. And his great kick is less effective when he has to dispose of the ball quickly.

He should be the guy just outside the clearance that we get the ball to, not the guy right at the coal face.

Agree. Rachele, Soligo, Pedlar and TBC top end talented midfielder should be the starting group supported by Dawson, Hinge, Jones, Rankine and possibly Bailey Williams.

 

[FR0GGY]

Not sure if this will be controversial or not, and I have no idea if the stats back me up on this... but I don't think Jordan Dawson is an engine-room midfielder. I mean, he's good anywhere he plays of course, but I don't think he's particularly good when the ball is bobbling around. His hands are not great below his knees and he's not particularly explosive or quick.

He should be the guy just outside the clearance that we get the ball to, not the guy right at the coal face.

You’re spot on and my center bounce attendance and clearance stats from the year that I posted last week, support this (he’s pretty much the lowest clearance rate of any)
He is the go to guy we give it to if we do get the clearance, not sure if we can get it out to him if he plays on a wing.

 

[Scorpus]

McAdam is a far more effective forward than Murphy and McHenry. Cannot believe he was forced to come back through the SANFL

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The last play.

Fog engages in a wrestle. Milera not good enough to goal. So tries to hit up Fog who is one on one.


But if Fog moved forward a few metres as soon as he sees Milera free outside the arc, ie lead for the ball, he should mark. Or create a spillage



We probably win the game.

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Was definitely the least likely of our forwards to win a 1 on 1

Should have kicked it literally anywhere else

 

[BACCS]

I thought we played bloody well for most of that game, inaccuracy just kept us 2-3 goals behind until the last. Very promising heading into next season knowing that we can play well at the MCG against the best and can win these games with a bit more experience. I honestly think this squad look better at the MCG than when we were contending in 2015-2017.

So good to see Schoenberg play the best game of his career, Nankervis not look out of place and just not giving in until the final siren. Rankine loves the big stage of the MCG too, such a shame he’s done for the year and won’t get a home Showdown.

I have full faith we will start winning games like this as early as next year with a bit more experience under the belt and a recruitment or two over the off season.

 

[1990crow]

McAdam is a far more effective forward than Murphy and McHenry. Cannot believe he was forced to come back through the SANFL

Selection blunders continue to haunt us.
We have failed to select our best players for reasons I can't work out - Worrell, Nankervis, Cook, McAdam etc.

 

[MRB37]

Hss anyone seen Nicks' presser? Did he say anything bout the umpiring? I'd imagine not and that's why he isn't the man. We've been killed by them 4 out of the last 6 matches and he will not say a thing which means they know they can keep doing it with impunity.

Didn't mention it. Seemed in a pretty upbeat mood actually.

 

[NSolis]

Not sure if this will be controversial or not, and I have no idea if the stats back me up on this... but I don't think Jordan Dawson is an engine-room midfielder. I mean, he's good anywhere he plays of course, but I don't think he's particularly good when the ball is bobbling around. His hands are not great below his knees and he's not particularly explosive or quick.

He should be the guy just outside the clearance that we get the ball to, not the guy right at the coal face.

I think that's the role he is playing. The play they are going for in the midfield is something along the lines of Laird (or whoever) wins the ball and dishes it out to Dawson who breaks away from the contest.

For example looking at our two main mids, Laird has 113 clearances and 55 centre clearances for the year and Dawson has 66 and 26. That's despite a similar number of CBAs for the year. Dawson on the other hand is our team leader by miles for inside 50s.

But yeah Dawson is not a great inside mid in that sense. He has still been really good playing through the midfield, and given the way centre bounces are set up you sort of have to play him in there for him to have maximum impact.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

McAdam is a far more effective forward than Murphy and McHenry. Cannot believe he was forced to come back through the SANFL

And Fogarty who is more his direct competition

As I’ve said before most of his possessions are from marks not from ground balls so he plays more like a tall forward I50 than a small forward

Today was no exception …. 8 of his 11 possessions were from marks

 

[MRB37]

Do people remember that Sloane did an ACL last year and missed most of the season. He most probably should not be playing in the midfield during his recovery and in my opinion he would be better suited to half back/forward or wing.

I think everyone but our coaches remember.

 

[1970crow]

Do people remember that Sloane did an ACL last year and missed most of the season. He most probably should not be playing in the midfield during his recovery and in my opinion he would be better suited to half back/forward or wing.

He’d be heat suited to the SANFL. There’s half a dozen guys in the 2s that would give us more than him. He’s been good but he’s done.

 

[CrowToon]

Didn't mention it. Seemed in a pretty upbeat mood actually.

Of course he would be, he cares only for being in the game, not for actually winning one. At some point losing the close ones has to hurt.

 

[BACCS]

Last qtr is space ......in tight, Schoenberg was slow and lacked quick reflex's

A 10 min spurt hasn't defined his day ....which was poor

Are you serious?! I thought his pace and burst from stoppages was crucial getting us back into the game

 

[BunjiMac]

McAdam is a far more effective forward than Murphy and McHenry. Cannot believe he was forced to come back through the SANFL

It's like they did it begrudgingly

 

[Soggy2112]

Hope Murray hasn’t done his ACL , he’s just so good

Was there any suggestion that he had?