Gough Whitlam: Messiah or Very Naughty Boy?
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The Coup
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Um who cares if a public service is profitable?
Simply not having it run towards a profit motive is a GIANT reason not to allow foreign billionaires to purchase assets Australians already paid for.
We need to take back the following industries at a minimum: mining, banking, farming, power, public transport, education the private sector proved they can't run any of these in a mutually beneficial way - all of these services are susbtantially more expensive (in many cases, THE most expensive in the world) since being "privatised" and the quality of service and return to the taxpayer has dropped.
The free market has never existed in Australia, for good reason (it doesn't work). We have a choice between monopoly or state owned i.e. hand it to a billionaire mate of the LNP/IPA echo chamber of insanity which pokerspiv appears to be a fan of (most likely an employee of), or do we want the people to own it and run it as non for profit, keeping prices down, focusing on social benefit like apprenticeships, traineeships, work/life balance, quality of service, long term planning etc.
Simply not having it run towards a profit motive is a GIANT reason not to allow foreign billionaires to purchase assets Australians already paid for.
We need to take back the following industries at a minimum: mining, banking, farming, power, public transport, education the private sector proved they can't run any of these in a mutually beneficial way - all of these services are susbtantially more expensive (in many cases, THE most expensive in the world) since being "privatised" and the quality of service and return to the taxpayer has dropped.
The free market has never existed in Australia, for good reason (it doesn't work). We have a choice between monopoly or state owned i.e. hand it to a billionaire mate of the LNP/IPA echo chamber of insanity which pokerspiv appears to be a fan of (most likely an employee of), or do we want the people to own it and run it as non for profit, keeping prices down, focusing on social benefit like apprenticeships, traineeships, work/life balance, quality of service, long term planning etc.
Your rose coloured glass view of history misses the human history both uplifting & miserable from those chaotic times.
The USA certainly was 'made' by business people. They had a can do mentality. However Government was forced to temper a lot of their destructive excesses. eg US Antitrust laws.
The US rail system is like their phone system, all split into various companies & not very efficient. The rail system development was a dogs breakfast of small & large companies who came & went bust. Destroying the lives of a mass of ordinary workers & families on the way. Its all too easy to look at the big guys, Ford, Carnegie, Rockerfeller, Vanderbilt etc etc. But they also crushed a lot of lives, especially the little guys & their families.
The USA is not a great example for social development IMO. It is dominated by money & 'the self'. Not so much by 'the community'.
I much prefer our more mixed economy. Although its under pressure from the current tea party mentality of the rabid right.
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You mean the most economically productive parts of the country? You kept away from those?
Californian is broke, wasn't so long ago that they were paying people with vouchers.
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Which Californian is broke?
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I know all about it. Perhaps you don't understand Australian politics?
What you're suggesting would require a single political party system that is totally committed to totalitarian statism.
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I think you've been watching too much of that Arrow show.
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He's always been a very clever man. Read his first autobiography, before he was an actor. He's a genius.
Its not a matter of profitability, its about cost & benefit, or efficiency & effectiveness. Public services are generally important. But the right services for the best benefit at the lowest cost is what its about.
That may mean cutting some services or beefing up others.
You certainly cant just close your eyes & throw money at every situation. That just costs all of us.
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Sure, but why should banking for example be for profit.
Bankers aren't producing something and selling it, they are a vital service that we need out of necessity to facilitate business. Introducing a profit motive could lead to banks becoming too profit focused and even becoming too big to fail... oh wait.
And try not using one.
Bankers aren't producing something and selling it, they are a vital service that we need out of necessity to facilitate business. Introducing a profit motive could lead to banks becoming too profit focused and even becoming too big to fail... oh wait.
And try not using one.
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Got himself a business degree in America while still learning english as well.
