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Lets see how he goes in his first time trial, that will tell us what he's been up to over the pre-season.
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I mentioned that someone on a Footy Facebook group reported Walters and Bennell were doing sprints at Freo Oval but this was never confirmed anywhere else as far as I could tell so it was more than likely BS.Wasn't Harley spotted training with Walters or Hill a couple of weeks ago.
I mentioned that someone on a Footy Facebook group reported Walters and Bennell were doing sprints at Freo Oval but this was never confirmed anywhere else as far as I could tell so it was more than likely BS.
Lets see how he goes in his first time trial, that will tell us what he's been up to over the pre-season.
Arrived in Perth 2 weeks after the date he was scheduled to
and something about him not being able to pack up his house the day after Melb Cup
I haven't changed the debate at all, I have said that Swallow has shown he was the better choice. The recruiters got it right, and I am certain that would include risk factor which was attached to Harley prior to being drafted.Actually no it wasn't. It was whether at the time of draft whether Swallow or Bennell should have been pick #1. You turned it into something completely different to that... making it about Swallow being clearly better in retrospect and should have been pick #1 based on everything that had since happened. If we had the advantage of retrospect then the draft would be a whole different beast because spuds wouldn't be picked at all and late picks of superstars would never exist. If that were the case Freo wouldn't have drafted Fyfe @ #20 and would have never drafted a bunch of other players that never reached their potential/became injured including Morabito etc. So by your same logic Tayl0r should be more than welcome to question whether Swallow will indeed be a better choice in the long run - ie if he doesn't stays @ GC (they aren't even playing finals so haven't got much value over what they got from Bennell yet), and if Bennell helps us win a premiership or Swallow moves to and helps another team.
You'd suspect he's pretty naturally fit as a no. 2 pick midfielder / forward though. He could probably blow out his gaff for 6 months and still complete a time trial faster than Moller could (with Harley running backwards to boot). Of more relevance might be whatever he runs this year compared to his last 2 or 3 at GC.This. You can't hide anything on the track.
Harley, despite his indiscretions, has always reportedly been a hard trainer.
Haha, I guess it must be an often mentioned remark around here.Gee, there's 8 of you.
Haha, I guess it must be an often mentioned remark around here.
You just surprised me, I was sure there was only 7
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=&SelectedPlayers=2093,2084,&Compare=Go
It's actually closer than I thought it would be between the two. Similar number of games. Similar disposals. Bennell is clearly better at kicking goals, but not as defensive (tackles).
Considering how much better I thought Bennell was, perhaps that is because he is less consistent? We remember his excellent games, but not his poor ones?
I don't think that final siren link is working, but I'd rather look at it like this
Brownlow Votes
Bennell 81 games 26 votes 5x3,4x2,3x1=26
Swallow 79 games 9 votes 1x3,2x2,2x1=9
Which is the more consistent player here?
Do we look at all the other non-polling games and say Swallow is more consistent, or do we prefer the times when Bennell takes it to the max.
I'd take the player who can be best on ground, or close too it, because the opposition has to put a lot of time in to negate him, and because of the flow on effect it brings the rest of the team.
The recruiters got it right? GC had pick #1 (Swallow) and #2 (Bennell) in that draft - it doesn't matter at all to them which order they picked them in - no more or less risky. I personally think Bennell was (and still is) far more talented as a footballer than Swallow and therefore should have been pick #1. Based purely on football output (for GC) to this point that is also true. So even making this debate a retrospective one I still disagree with you.I haven't changed the debate at all, I have said that Swallow has shown he was the better choice. The recruiters got it right, and I am certain that would include risk factor which was attached to Harley prior to being drafted.
Your analogy with Fyfe and Morabito is poor, and would be better if it was a player who carries a risk factor such as Simpson or Jeff White. But given we are comparing Bennell to Swallow, and given the recruiters did make the correct decision there is no point in an analogy.
I think they had to take him before another team picked didn't they? So could have taken him at #1, #2, or #3? It doesn't really matter - it has been somewhat of a pointless debate from the start. They are both good WA players that like others got caught up with the new franchise concessions...Gold Coast had to agree to take Swallow at pick #1 for him to start with them a year early.
The recruiters got it right? GC had pick #1 (Swallow) and #2 (Bennell) in that draft - it doesn't matter at all to them which order they picked them in - no more or less risky. I personally think Bennell was (and still is) far more talented as a footballer than Swallow and therefore should have been pick #1. Based purely on football output (for GC) to this point that is also true. So even making this debate a retrospective one I still disagree with you.
I thought that someone said their brother was at Freo Oval and Sonny and Harley were doing some running so I agree that it was likely to be BS.I mentioned that someone on a Footy Facebook group reported Walters and Bennell were doing sprints at Freo Oval but this was never confirmed anywhere else as far as I could tell so it was more than likely BS.
The recruiters got it right? GC had pick #1 (Swallow) and #2 (Bennell) in that draft - it doesn't matter at all to them which order they picked them in - no more or less risky. I personally think Bennell was (and still is) far more talented as a footballer than Swallow and therefore should have been pick #1. Based purely on football output (for GC) to this point that is also true. So even making this debate a retrospective one I still disagree with you.
On what basis are you evaluating Swallow having been so much more valuable to GC on? Just the fact that he is still there and Bennell isn't? He had a pretty good 2014 but his 2012, 2013 and 2015 certainly weren't amazing. The stats are pretty clear that Bennell has had greater impact on-field since being drafted. Maybe in 2016 Swallow will live up to expectations with Ablett back but that hasn't happened yet. Or maybe his form will drop further, or maybe he'll pack his bags as well at the end of 2016 and move on just like Bennell. But likewise Bennell might continue spiralling out of control and end his career in the next few months.I don't know the future just like the recruiters didn't at that draft - picking Swallow and Bennell were the right choices at the time, I just think it should have been the other way around.