Coach Hey 'Supporters', have some respect for Hardwick and all he has done.

[Drunken Wookie]

The only question you need to ask is who do we replace him with? Who's an upgrade on a 3x Premiership coach out there currently? We're not performing to expectation but there's a lot of factors there. Dimma's not exactly on the scrap heap, if we dropped him he would be in another senior coaching role before he left the building.

 

[domin8]

Top 3 picks since 2000(Bold Premierships)
N.Riewoldt,Koschitzke,Didak
Ablett,Judd Hodge.(Regarded the best draft in history)
Goddard,Wells,Brennan
Cooney,Walker,Sylvia
Lids,Roughead,Griffen
Murphy,Thomas Ellis
Gibbs,Gumbleton,Hansen
Kreuzer,Cotch,Masten
Watts,Nic Nat,Hill
Scully,Trendgrove,Dusty
Swallow,Bennell,Day
Patton,Conigllo,tyson
Whitfeild,O'rourke,Plowman
Boyd,Kelly,Billings
McCartin,Pettracca,Brayshaw
Weitering,Scache,Mills
McGrath,Taranto,McCullage
Rayner Brayshaw,Dow
Walsh,Lukosias,Rankine
Rowell,Anderson,Jackson

20 drafts
15 premiership players
out of 60.

1 in 4 chance that the player you pick in the top 3 will be a premiership player and in a few cases like Boyd & Day not at the original club.

That’s incredible. I’d love to know the % of premiership players over the same period that are picked up after the second round including the rookie list? I understand there are more licks in this range however there seems to be as many low draft picks/rookie listed players as high draft picks

 

[TigerImposter]

That’s incredible. I’d love to know the % of premiership players over the same period that are picked up after the second round including the rookie list? I understand there are more licks in this range however there seems to be as many low draft picks/rookie listed players as high draft picks

What’s so incredible about it ? Anyone with half a brain can see if you can get two to three superstars in a close vicinity of drafts you are in a good position to win multiple flags.

 

[domin8]

What’s so incredible about it ? Anyone with half a brain can see if you can get two to three superstars in a close vicinity of drafts you are in a good position to win multiple flags.

Missed the point it’s actually an appalling stat. Shows bottoming out isn’t it’s all cracked up to be. Shows you have as much if not more success with later picks

 

[TigerImposter]

Top 3 picks since 2000(Bold Premierships)
N.Riewoldt,Koschitzke,Didak
Ablett,Judd Hodge.(Regarded the best draft in history)
Goddard,Wells,Brennan
Cooney,Walker,Sylvia
Lids,Roughead,Griffen
Murphy,Thomas Ellis
Gibbs,Gumbleton,Hansen
Kreuzer,Cotch,Masten
Watts,Nic Nat,Hill
Scully,Trendgrove,Dusty
Swallow,Bennell,Day
Patton,Conigllo,tyson
Whitfeild,O'rourke,Plowman
Boyd,Kelly,Billings
McCartin,Pettracca,Brayshaw
Weitering,Scache,Mills
McGrath,Taranto,McCullage
Rayner Brayshaw,Dow
Walsh,Lukosias,Rankine
Rowell,Anderson,Jackson

20 drafts
15 premiership players
out of 60.

1 in 4 chance that the player you pick in the top 3 will be a premiership player and in a few cases like Boyd & Day not at the original club.

Point missed is that some players are double to triple or even 4x premiership players. IDGAF , but in the Lids draft Lance Franklin was the number one pick, but Casino Jackson went small as usual . Hawthorn walked out with two elite footballers from that draft.

 

[TigerImposter]

Missed the point it’s actually an appalling stat. Shows bottoming out isn’t it’s all cracked up to be. Shows you have as much if not more success with later picks

Ummmmmmm I must be on Mars. So we take away Dusty and Cotchin and Richmond wins three flags? You are either sadly just Trolling my friend Or don’t have any idea on what you’re on about.

 

[rammbo]

I reckon dimmer is a great coach but will he want or allow us to rebuild properly or will he go the path of trying to stay up there ( Geelong style ) ive got a bad feeling he will try the Geelong style and give us no chance of a cup again.

 

[All Aust]

Top 3 picks since 2000(Bold Premierships)
N.Riewoldt,Koschitzke,Didak
Ablett,Judd Hodge.(Regarded the best draft in history)
Goddard,Wells,Brennan
Cooney,Walker,Sylvia
Lids,Roughead,Griffen
Murphy,Thomas Ellis
Gibbs,Gumbleton,Hansen
Kreuzer,Cotch,Masten
Watts,Nic Nat,Hill
Scully,Trendgrove,Dusty
Swallow,Bennell,Day
Patton,Conigllo,tyson
Whitfeild,O'rourke,Plowman
Boyd,Kelly,Billings
McCartin,Pettracca,Brayshaw
Weitering,Scache,Mills
McGrath,Taranto,McCullage
Rayner Brayshaw,Dow
Walsh,Lukosias,Rankine
Rowell,Anderson,Jackson

20 drafts
15 premiership players
out of 60.

1 in 4 chance that the player you pick in the top 3 will be a premiership player and in a few cases like Boyd & Day not at the original c

Fine work

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Fine work

Be interesting on peoples thoughts on which draft year would be 2nd & 3rd.

 

[Livonski]

I reckon dimmer is a great coach but will he want or allow us to rebuild properly or will he go the path of trying to stay up there ( Geelong style ) ive got a bad feeling he will try the Geelong style and give us no chance of a cup again.

Wot?
Geelong style keep them at the top and got them a flag and good chance of another.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

I reckon dimmer is a great coach but will he want or allow us to rebuild properly or will he go the path of trying to stay up there ( Geelong style ) ive got a bad feeling he will try the Geelong style and give us no chance of a cup again.

When you say Rebuild properly what do you mean ?
The famous rebuilders of this century are Carlton - Essendon - Melbourne - St Kilda - Norf - Fremantle - Richmond
Only Richmond & Melbourne have won flags and Melbourne were given so many handouts and took 20 years to finally get Oliver/Petracca/Gawn and have traded for a few.

Rebuilds are never a sure thing and once your in the gutter you stay there along time and players, Members , Sponsors no longer want to come
There are alot more tools at clubs disposal these days to collect talent and churn players over to get the talent through

We have some really nice players at the club atm to replenish around and not have to hit the gutter
Taranto , Hopper , Baker , Bolton , Balta , Rioli , Graham with another 3 years of Vlastuin , Lynch , Broad , Nank , Prestia and maybe Dusty
then there are 10-12 kids and some will elevate as did the late picks from the dynasty era

This is not a team thats going to finish bottom 5-6 and we wont have access to the elite draft talent so we would basically need to tank and trade out players to hit rock bottom.

Not a great idea

 

[TigerImposter]

When you say Rebuild properly what do you mean ?
The famous rebuilders of this century are Carlton - Essendon - Melbourne - St Kilda - Norf - Fremantle - Richmond
Only Richmond & Melbourne have won flags and Melbourne were given so many handouts and took 20 years to finally get Oliver/Petracca/Gawn and have traded for a few.

Rebuilds are never a sure thing and once your in the gutter you stay there along time and players, Members , Sponsors no longer want to come
There are alot more tools at clubs disposal these days to collect talent and churn players over to get the talent through

We have some really nice players at the club atm to replenish around and not have to hit the gutter
Taranto , Hopper , Baker , Bolton , Balta , Rioli , Graham with another 3 years of Vlastuin , Lynch , Broad , Nank , Prestia and maybe Dusty
then there are 10-12 kids and some will elevate as did the late picks from the dynasty era

This is not a team thats going to finish bottom 5-6 and we wont have access to the elite draft talent so we would basically need to tank and trade out players to hit rock bottom.

Not a great idea

Hawthorn and Geelong rebuilt. Geelong got F&S , but they got Selwood and Bartel.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Hawthorn and Geelong rebuilt. Geelong got F&S , but they got Selwood and Bartel.

Geelong did get alot of freebies that have all paid dividends along with 2001
#8 - Bartel
#17 - Kelly
#23 - Gardener
#24 - Johnson
#40 - GAJ
#41 - Playfair

2002
#7 - Mackie
#23 - Lonergan


They were them days when Wells smashed it and they were ahead of the pack with talent identification and list management
But if we take out the Ablett , Hawkins , Scarlett freebies and Chapman who was really just drafted to drive jnr to training

The above players are what elevated geelong to the team they have been last 16 years and only 2 top 10 picks and no top 5 picks from a bottoming out as being suggested.

 

[rammbo]

Wot?
Geelong style keep them at the top and got them a flag and good chance of another.

Try doesnt mean it will work for us

 

[aislegi]

Top 3 picks since 2000(Bold Premierships)
N.Riewoldt,Koschitzke,Didak
Ablett,Judd Hodge.(Regarded the best draft in history)
Goddard,Wells,Brennan
Cooney,Walker,Sylvia
Lids,Roughead,Griffen
Murphy,Thomas Ellis
Gibbs,Gumbleton,Hansen
Kreuzer,Cotch,Masten
Watts,Nic Nat,Hill
Scully,Trendgrove,Dusty
Swallow,Bennell,Day
Patton,Conigllo,tyson
Whitfeild,O'rourke,Plowman
Boyd,Kelly,Billings
McCartin,Pettracca,Brayshaw
Weitering,Scache,Mills
McGrath,Taranto,McCullage
Rayner Brayshaw,Dow
Walsh,Lukosias,Rankine
Rowell,Anderson,Jackson

20 drafts
15 premiership players
out of 60.

1 in 4 chance that the player you pick in the top 3 will be a premiership player and in a few cases like Boyd & Day not at the original club.

So, then, if you get two top three picks, does that mean you have a 50% chance of winning a flag?

Also - considering that some of the players you’ve mentioned have plenty of football left in them, we can probably expect that the number of premiership players is only going to increase.

 

[rammbo]

When you say Rebuild properly what do you mean ?
The famous rebuilders of this century are Carlton - Essendon - Melbourne - St Kilda - Norf - Fremantle - Richmond
Only Richmond & Melbourne have won flags and Melbourne were given so many handouts and took 20 years to finally get Oliver/Petracca/Gawn and have traded for a few.

Rebuilds are never a sure thing and once your in the gutter you stay there along time and players, Members , Sponsors no longer want to come
There are alot more tools at clubs disposal these days to collect talent and churn players over to get the talent through

We have some really nice players at the club atm to replenish around and not have to hit the gutter
Taranto , Hopper , Baker , Bolton , Balta , Rioli , Graham with another 3 years of Vlastuin , Lynch , Broad , Nank , Prestia and maybe Dusty
then there are 10-12 kids and some will elevate as did the late picks from the dynasty era

This is not a team thats going to finish bottom 5-6 and we wont have access to the elite draft talent so we would basically need to tank and trade out players to hit rock bottom.

Not a great idea

Rebuild properly means dont top up an aging list trading out your early picks for players in there prime now. Do that when your closer to your window .

I assume you think we are close to that premiership window again which I certainly do not .

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Rebuild properly means dont top up an aging list trading out your early picks for players in there prime now. Do that when your closer to your window .

I assume you think we are close to that premiership window again which I certainly do not .

No but if the right player comes at the right price then you pay it

I will take Taranto over Corey Ellis & RCD

 

[domin8]

Ummmmmmm I must be on Mars. So we take away Dusty and Cotchin and Richmond wins three flags? You are either sadly just Trolling my friend Or don’t have any idea on what you’re on about.

Sorry C Scott. I know exactly what I am talking about. Once again you missed the point. I’m not talking about Cotchin and Martin per se. I’m talking overall that the ability of clubs to turn a top 3 draft pick into a premiership player is extremely low

 

[domin8]

No but if the right player comes at the right price then you pay it

I will take Taranto over Corey Ellis & RCD

Exactly

 

[U2tigers]

Best way to shut flogs up is to give Dimma a 5 year extension

I would love to see the melts in here


We have the best coach in the land 0 He never loses a GF

Yep. I would melt like * if that happened

 

[TigerImposter]

Sorry C Scott. I know exactly what I am talking about. Once again you missed the point. I’m not talking about Cotchin and Martin per se. I’m talking overall that the ability of clubs to turn a top 3 draft pick into a premiership player is extremely low

No that’s not the issue here and not what was being discussed between us. You’ve distorted your question away from original topic. CScott FMD the Earth is flat.

 

[domin8]

No that’s not the issue here and not what was being discussed between us. You’ve distorted your question away from original topic. CScott FMD the Earth is flat.

No I haven’t. I was clear in my response. You’re just being obtuse.

 

[TigerImposter]

No I haven’t. I was clear in my response. You’re just being obtuse.

no . You are trolling and now moving the argument over to a blame situation . The comment below is still wrong and again as usual personal with no facts. As i said you need to land consecutive top guns in close by drafts in order to win a cluster of premierships. Now please learn to read posts before you hit the KB and start attacking posters.

Sorry C Scott. I know exactly what I am talking about. Once again you missed the point. I’m not talking about Cotchin and Martin per se. I’m talking overall that the ability of clubs to turn a top 3 draft pick into a premiership player is extremely low

 

[acr2751]

Point missed is that some players are double to triple or even 4x premiership players. IDGAF , but in the Lids draft Lance Franklin was the number one pick, but Casino Jackson went small as usual . Hawthorn walked out with two elite footballers from that draft.

You could form a strong argument they got the best 3

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

So, then, if you get two top three picks, does that mean you have a 50% chance of winning a flag?

Also - considering that some of the players you’ve mentioned have plenty of football left in them, we can probably expect that the number of premiership players is only going to increase.

If only it was that of a sure thing.
You wanna spend 4yrs in the bottom 3 to find out.