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the most important people in this, the ugandans themselves saying the film is misleading and too late. they also accuse IC of doing this to amass funds.
news.com.au
An Ugandan government spokesperson Fred Opolot said; “It is totally misleading to suggest that the war is still in Uganda. I suspect that if that’s the impression they are making, they are doing it only to garner increasing financial resources for their own agenda.”
Just a reminder where the money donated to these clowns goes.
Normally when I see images of charity workers they are handing out cups of water or biscuits for starving kids to eat.
Not packing heat in "I'm a prep school w***er on safari" style photo.
The photo, the only one that the cynics have and use, has been explained on their website...
RE: THE PHOTO OF THE FOUNDERS WITH THE GUNS (SEE BANNER IMAGE)
A story told by Jason Russell: Let me start by saying that that photo was a bad idea. We were young and we got caught up in the moment. It was never meant to reflect on the organization. The photo of Bobby, Laren and I with the guns was taken in an LRA camp in DRC during the 2008 Juba Peace Talks. We were there to see Joseph Kony come to the table to sign the Final Peace Agreement. The Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) was surrounding our camp for protection since Sudan was mediating the peace talks. We wanted to talk to them and film them and get their perspective. And because Bobby, Laren and I are friends and had been doing this for 5 years, we thought it would be funny to bring back to our friends and family a joke photo. You know, "Haha - they have bazookas in their hands but they're actually fighting for peace." The ironic thing about this photo is that I HATE guns. I always have. Back in 2008 I wanted this war to end, like we all did, peacefully, through peace talks. But Kony was not interested in that; he kept killing. And we still don't want war. We don't want him killed and we don't want bombs dropped. We want him alive and captured and brought to justice.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html
The photo, the only one that the cynics have and use, has been explained on their website...
RE: THE PHOTO OF THE FOUNDERS WITH THE GUNS (SEE BANNER IMAGE)
A story told by Jason Russell: Let me start by saying that that photo was a bad idea. We were young and we got caught up in the moment. It was never meant to reflect on the organization. The photo of Bobby, Laren and I with the guns was taken in an LRA camp in DRC during the 2008 Juba Peace Talks. We were there to see Joseph Kony come to the table to sign the Final Peace Agreement. The Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) was surrounding our camp for protection since Sudan was mediating the peace talks. We wanted to talk to them and film them and get their perspective. And because Bobby, Laren and I are friends and had been doing this for 5 years, we thought it would be funny to bring back to our friends and family a joke photo. You know, "Haha - they have bazookas in their hands but they're actually fighting for peace." The ironic thing about this photo is that I HATE guns. I always have. Back in 2008 I wanted this war to end, like we all did, peacefully, through peace talks. But Kony was not interested in that; he kept killing. And we still don't want war. We don't want him killed and we don't want bombs dropped. We want him alive and captured and brought to justice.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html
The photo, the only one that the cynics have and use, has been explained on their website...
RE: THE PHOTO OF THE FOUNDERS WITH THE GUNS (SEE BANNER IMAGE)
A story told by Jason Russell: Let me start by saying that that photo was a bad idea. We were young and we got caught up in the moment. It was never meant to reflect on the organization. The photo of Bobby, Laren and I with the guns was taken in an LRA camp in DRC during the 2008 Juba Peace Talks. We were there to see Joseph Kony come to the table to sign the Final Peace Agreement. The Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) was surrounding our camp for protection since Sudan was mediating the peace talks. We wanted to talk to them and film them and get their perspective. And because Bobby, Laren and I are friends and had been doing this for 5 years, we thought it would be funny to bring back to our friends and family a joke photo. You know, "Haha - they have bazookas in their hands but they're actually fighting for peace." The ironic thing about this photo is that I HATE guns. I always have. Back in 2008 I wanted this war to end, like we all did, peacefully, through peace talks. But Kony was not interested in that; he kept killing. And we still don't want war. We don't want him killed and we don't want bombs dropped. We want him alive and captured and brought to justice.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html
What IF cancer is never cured? Waste of money? Or Alzheimers? Don't donate at all?
I believe through this thread, IC isn't the best charity around at all, but why on earth criticize us for donating a samll amount to this particular event? At least we are....you could donate to another charity instead of accusing everyone of "trying to be cool" for getting involved in the Kony cause. And fwiw I haven't shared, or posted on fb anything about Joseph Kony. The only thing I've done is buy a wrist band! MAN ALIVE!! and it's for the sane reason you guys haven't I don't want to be seen as a bandwagoner because I didn't have any idea as I should of about Kony
here, here's a good charity for you to donate if you will
://www.timtebowfoundation.org/
Ahhhh, the old "I was only joking" defence. It explains so much more than you think.
Do you work for these guys?
Give it up already. They've been exposed as crocks, and you can argue till you're blue in the face, but it won't change.
Trying to justify the fact you took their BS hook, line and sinker are you?
"hahah let's all pull a blue steel and look tough". "Civil war's a worthy of a joke".
Whilst the idea is noble, the expenditure of IC just displays how self serving they are. You cannot argue with the figures.
What IF Kony isn't caught?
What IF cancer is never cured? Waste of money? Or Alzheimers? Don't donate at all?
I believe through this thread, IC isn't the best charity around at all, but why on earth criticize us for donating a samll amount to this particular event? At least we are....you could donate to another charity instead of accusing everyone of "trying to be cool" for getting involved in the Kony cause. And fwiw I haven't shared, or posted on fb anything about Joseph Kony. The only thing I've done is buy a wrist band! MAN ALIVE!! and it's for the sane reason you guys haven't I don't want to be seen as a bandwagoner because I didn't have any idea as I should of about Kony
here, here's a good charity for you to donate if you will
://www.timtebowfoundation.org/
The expenditure figures make sense for anyone who understands that this is a charity that is not about feeding the children, it is about creating awareness. Different type of charity to World Vision, different set of expenses.
I understand what IC is. I have listened to their mission statement. I have watched Kony 2012. I am not naive about how charities work. Yes, the Kony 2012 movement is different to World Vision. IC's ultimate aim is to capture and bring to justice Kony.
The expenditure IS very self serving no matter how you slice it or want to rationlise it. They do not have open books. The founders are living big on people's sincere desire to help.
I am sceptical of this mouse click movement, not cynical.
Do "Action Packs" help?
What are they going to do with ALL the money they plead for? Take the kids out on jet ski's on Lake Victoria?
I think it's unfair of you to label people 'negative' who question the entire Kony 2012 movement.
Is it the best way to help Uganda?
I really like that this charity has gained the attention of many of our youth who have previously not done much in the way of thinking about the world and what goes on beyond their neighborhoods. That is a fantastic result.
Unfortunately the attention will not be captured for long.
I think these guys (IC) have their heart in the right place but I just don't agree with their plan of action. Seriously, how can anyone, after watching the disasters of Afghanistan and Iraq unfold over the past decade, think that U.S. military intervention in Uganda is a good idea?
Also I don't think that providing financial support for the local military, who have supposedly committed some fairly abhorent crimes themselves, is the way to go either.
The empowerment theme is cleverly used in the video and it will no doubt convince many to donate to IC. But when you actually consider 'the plan' (as opposed to the cause), in conjunction with IC's massive 'overheads', it seems like your charity dollars could be much better spent elsewhere.
Whether you like IC or not, it has exposed many people to some of the nastier issues in Africa and has made many people more aware of the world around them. This is a good thing.
Neo-colonialism.
Over to you, Racialicious:
"...The way the campaign is presented–led by a white man’s voice, with groups of predominantly white American activists juxtaposed with survivors/victims who are African–paints a picture of neo-colonialism."
The Atlantic's Max Fisher adds that the campaign "subtly reinforces an idea that has been one of Africa's biggest disasters: that well-meaning Westerners need to come in and fix it."
Meanwhile, Musa Okwongo, a commentator for The Independent, take issue with the film's overly simplistic approach and failure to hold Uganda's President Yoweri Museveni accountable. He writes:
"Invisible Children asked viewers to seek the engagement of American policymakers and celebrities, but – and this is a major red flag – it didn’t introduce them to the many Northern Ugandans already doing fantastic work both in their local communities and in the diaspora. It didn’t ask its viewers to seek diplomatic pressure on President Museveni’s administration."Foreign Affairs also points out US-based advocacy groups' exaggeration of Joseph Kony as a uniquely evil figure. "They rarely refer to the Ugandan atrocities or those of Sudan's People's Liberation Army, such as attacks against civilians or looting of civilian homes and businesses, or the complicated regional politics fueling the conflict," the magazine writes.
huffington post article on Kony 2012.
Further to the discussion. Would IC have imagined such a backlash?
When have they been exposed as crocks?
yep, metaphor is more illuminating than the other 13 pages if drossBest way to sum this all up is , You go to church and you go to confess your sins, some people know they are being lectured in confessional by a bloke screwing half of the church choir and some people don't.