Kyabram DFL discussion 2022

[hank1]

The outrage is fair and the way the KDFL have handled it all is embarrassing.
The reality is, right from when Semmel was found guilty at the tribunal he was deemed ineligible, the debacle that transpired from then with the league saying he was in actual fact eligible, is in the end irrelevant.
The league ****ed up, but unfortunately for Semmel, the rules are the rules.

 

[Normo3]

The outrage is fair and the way the KDFL have handled it all is embarrassing.
The reality is, right from when Semmel was found guilty at the tribunal he was deemed ineligible, the debacle that transpired from then with the league saying he was in actual fact eligible, is in the end irrelevant.
The league *ed up, but unfortunately for Semmel, the rules are the rules.

It probably shows how the league is run at the moment.. on par with the GV

 

[ROOTA#6]

The outrage is fair and the way the KDFL have handled it all is embarrassing.
The reality is, right from when Semmel was found guilty at the tribunal he was deemed ineligible, the debacle that transpired from then with the league saying he was in actual fact eligible, is in the end irrelevant.
The league *ed up, but unfortunately for Semmel, the rules are the rules.

Is Ryan Semmell really that dirty on not being awarded the KDFL league medal?

 

[hank1]

Is Ryan Semmell really that dirty on not being awarded the KDFL league medal?

You’d hope he is more dirty on letting a chance at winning the flag slip

 

[AaronSCHQ]

I understand your backlash Dust, it is as you say piss poor to leave everyone in the dark even the said player right up until the last minute!! But the simple fact is even though AFL Victoria have all the "power" they can't just go and change the rules mid season!

Every league has their own By-Laws which they run to until something is changed, but to have an amendment to any laws it has to be done at a league meeting such as an AGM etc where all clubs are represented and any league constitution by-law changes need to be voted on by club's for it to be passed or not!

This hasn't happened as yet as far as I'm aware so unfortunately it doesn't matter whether everything thinks the right decision has been made or not it's the decision of the league's current by-laws! So until such rules are changed then that's where the decision lays!

But yes I am hearing that there is definitely an appeal coming which will be interesting to see how it is handled?

I think the biggest point of concern from Stanhope is that the AFL guidelines made him eligible and the league confirmed he was fine as nothing to the contrary in the by-laws or constitution. Then it took 6 weeks for them to update (after Ryan was invited) and the email came through late at night before a 4 day weekend.

If told straight away he was ineligible they would’ve appealed, been successful or unsuccessful and that’s that.

Not taking sides - just pointing out where Stanhope are coming from.

 

[smooth mover]

I think the biggest point of concern from Stanhope is that the AFL guidelines made him eligible and the league confirmed he was fine as nothing to the contrary in the by-laws or constitution. Then it took 6 weeks for them to update (after Ryan was invited) and the email came through late at night before a 4 day weekend.

If told straight away he was ineligible they would’ve appealed, been successful or unsuccessful and that’s that.

Not taking sides - just pointing out where Stanhope are coming from.

Ohh I agree wholeheartedly 100% mate..... I'm definitely not taking side's either! Obviously someone hasn't crossed their t's or dotted their i's & double checked exact ruling before making a fair decision! It's like they have made a decision on what they thought the understanding was, asked the AFL & without them knowing the league exact by-laws & rules have passed it! Now to see who buckles or stands firm.....

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Surely there's gv clubs queuing up for Excell

 

[Ultrajet dogwar2]

Surely there's gv clubs queuing up for Excell

Don’t think he trained once this year, don’t think he’s interested no doubt his phone has been flat out though

 

[Lion71]

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Don’t think he trained once this year, don’t think he’s interested no doubt his phone has been flat out though

Operating on pure talent alone hey Ultra .....there's so few of us !!!

 

[hank1]

Surely there's gv clubs queuing up for Excell

Footy not high on his priorities I don’t think Trent, didn’t suit up at all the previous 2 years, played a couple of VFL games a few years back so obviously could play a decent role in most major league sides if he wanted to

 

[Lion71]

I know we've nearly done this subject to death even though there appears possibly more to play out so apologies everyone.....but didn't somebody post the by-laws up on here just recently ??....And it was pretty straightforward...a guilty player is ineligible, that's exactly what it says, there's no "or unless this or unless that".

 

[hank1]

I know we've nearly done this subject to death even though there appears possibly more to play out so apologies everyone.....but didn't somebody post the by-laws up on here just recently ??....And it was pretty straightforward...a guilty player is ineligible, that's exactly what it says, there's no "or unless this or unless that".

Fair story by Rohan Aldous posted on facebook for the Ky Free Press which gives you some interesting perspective on where Stanhope is coming from, the main thing I got from it was that they asked the league if he was still eligible for the League B&F straight after the tribunal hearing, they stipulated then that if he wasn’t eligible then they would be appealing the reprimand, came back that he was going to still be eligible so they didn’t appeal!
That throws another shade on an already grey story

 

[Lion71]

Fair story by Rohan Aldous posted on facebook for the Ky Free Press which gives you some interesting perspective on where Stanhope is coming from, the main thing I got from it was that they asked the league if he was still eligible for the League B&F straight after the tribunal hearing, they stipulated then that if he wasn’t eligible then they would be appealing the reprimand, came back that he was going to still be eligible so they didn’t appeal!
That throws another shade on an already grey story

Bloody hell !!...I'll crash my truck tomorrow if I try and get my head around this !!! .

P.s. Rohan Aldous...what a bloody legend

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Footy not high on his priorities I don’t think Trent, didn’t suit up at all the previous 2 years, played a couple of VFL games a few years back so obviously could play a decent role in most major league sides if he wanted to

Is there 2 brothers?

 

[hank1]

Is there 2 brothers?

Yep Jayden is older, and a sister who was once the great Dustin Martin’s partner!

 

[ROOTA#6]

Yep Jayden is older, and a sister who was once the great Dustin Martin’s partner!

Jayden was quite a talented player also

 

[Ultrajet dogwar2]

Jayden was quite a talented player also

Classy half back, plays down geelong way now.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Classy half back, plays down geelong way now.

Yep lined up on him a few times when he was a real young bloke and I was at the end…good kid too

 

[ROOTA#6]

Stanhope seem to have been very preoccupied with one of their players winning an individual award

 

[Silver Tongue]

Surely there's gv clubs queuing up for Excell

His old man played a season at Rochy. Clearly a strong long-standing relationship with Rochester so we must be favourites.

 

[Bush Fly]

Stanhope seem to have been very preoccupied with one of their players winning an individual award

They might think they have a responsibility to the player.

 

[AaronSCHQ]

For those that didn’t catch the article, and this is in the leagues defence and similar to what Smooth said. The league checked with AFL and also the KDL by laws. Nothing to suggest he was ineligible.

Stanhope wanted to know straight away as you only have two days to appeal a tribunal outcome.

League since checked their constitution which overrides all of that and it’s written in there that he was ineligible. Just a pity they didn’t think to check constitution. But most of our day to day football stuff and all that I are in the bylaws.

 

[WildDog10]

Are they gonna post a top 10 of the count from the other night? Or does anyone have a photo of the results? Would love to know how other players went apart from 1st

 

[carlton_86]

Are they gonna post a top 10 of the count from the other night? Or does anyone have a photo of the results? Would love to know how other players went apart from 1st

Ryan Semmel*	Stanhope	25
Jack Exell	Violet Town	20
Braydon Avola	Avenel	19
Thomas Davies	Lancaster	17
Jack Sinclair	Merrigum	15
Jayedo Hexter	Murchison-Toolamba	13
Dylan Moncur	Undera	13
Nicholas Brazil	Violet Town	13
Ryan Butler	Girgarre	12
Aiden Lloyd	Murchison-Toolamba	12
Thomas McClusky	Shepparton East	12
Kian Wise	Tallygaroopna	12

 

[Blackout]

For those that didn’t catch the article, and this is in the leagues defence and similar to what Smooth said. The league checked with AFL and also the KDL by laws. Nothing to suggest he was ineligible.

Stanhope wanted to know straight away as you only have two days to appeal a tribunal outcome.

League since checked their constitution which overrides all of that and it’s written in there that he was ineligible. Just a pity they didn’t think to check constitution. But most of our day to day football stuff and all that I are in the bylaws.

Obviously it's not a great situation for anyone involved.

But for what it's worth, for all the s**t-canning of the KDL on here and Facebook, at the end of the day they are volunteers. As you said, they had to filter through the by-laws and constitution, on their weekend, and give an answer within 2 days. The constitution and by-laws are on the KDL website, there was nothing stopping Stanhope from reviewing them themselves.

Who'd want to be a volunteer, it's a thankless job, and everyone always has an opinion on what you're doing wrong. It's almost always the loudest critics that are the last ones to volunteer.