Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hawthorn's history is not as long, but they have a incredible amount of similarity to Essendon in regards to traditional Protestant demos, a middle class conservative outlook etc etc , hence IMO Hawthorn is the true traditional foe of Essendon far more IMO than North Melbourne.

And that is why you will find a extra amount of Hawthorn fans on the HTB laying the boot in, some are far more obvious than others though, some names crop up every day.

They can't help it, doesn't really matter at the end of the day to them whether Essendon is guilty or not.

Aren't generalisations fun?

I'm probably the most vocal Hawthorn poster here, and I'm a militant Atheist who has absolutely no care for which sky fairy you or anyone else wants to believe in.



Generally, I don't like bullshit.

Essendon have been spouting bullshit for more than 18 months in an attempt to cover up what took place there.

Hawthorn supporters are not alone in being able to piece together this "duck". Not only does this saga, look, walk and talk like a duck, but the guy who pet it on the head every day and gave it bread crumbs is now trying to have all evidence of its appearance suppressed and/or thrown out.

We come here because we didn't like your club to begin with(for varying reasons) and that you are now thrashing around trying to squeeze through on technicalities, contradicting yourselves, suggesting it's not what it looks like, has us pretty enthralled.

You may have to excuse who I barrack for though, as it's pretty plain to see there's a growing number of posters from all clubs who have a large amount of disdain for a club and coach who've failed dismally to create sympathy for a club orchestrated injection program that's main aim was to mirror the benefits of HGH.

 

[Kwality]

What 'deal'?

So you think it was pure coincidence? Evans was just there strictly on business.

The fact it was injected in bombers players a few months later was pure coincidence and he had no idea about it?

Right. Of all the peptides. Of all the companies in that space. Of all the investment houses. Amazing coincidence.

You clearly dont understand what he does for a living - yes the contact was certainly thru the Bombers* but to claim he did anything illicit is a miserable misinterpretation of how these deals are pitched.
* Bombers staff that have not been called to account based on Bomber Thompsons reason for not paying his fine.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Hawthorn's history is not as long, but they have a incredible amount of similarity to Essendon in regards to traditional Protestant demos, a middle class conservative outlook etc etc , hence IMO Hawthorn is the true traditional foe of Essendon far more IMO than North Melbourne.

And that is why you will find a extra amount of Hawthorn fans on the HTB laying the boot in, some are far more obvious than others though, some names crop up every day.

They can't help it, doesn't really matter at the end of the day to them whether Essendon is guilty or not.

Mate,

Essendon and Hawks had a brief rivalry in the mid 80s, but we went past Essendon years ago and they are almost irrelevant to us these days. Our major rival at the moment is Geelong, and have been for some time. Certainly Essendon won't be threats for a flag for quite some time.

You'd find a lot of us old time Hawks fans derive a little bit of pleasure that it's Essendon because of the cheap stunt that prized lunatic Sheedy pulled on us on the eve of the 1984 Second Semi Final when we got a visit from the drugs squad. This is Karma. It has bitten Essendon on the bum.

Can't speak for others, but I don't care who the club is, I am so anti drugs in sport I want something to be done about this. The fact it's Essendon is pure bonus. Mind you, there can't be any surprise that it's Essendon can there?

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

Suggestions motivated by jealousy -just like you said. Just a brilliant team. Put up something other than innuendo.

Where are the scholarly papers declaring the efficacy of Hylart which was use on Max Rooke's injuries during his German treatment? As far as I can see there are none. A 2005 newspaper article was the only bit of info I could glean on a quick google. It does claim that it is a combination of "fluid drawn from compressing the comb on a cockerel's head, and anti-inflammatory drugs." Gee, that science sure stacks up for me - well worth it to jump on a plane etc etc etc.
I know it is not "evidence" and, I have none to put forward, but, the whole role of the Danks of this world - no matter in which country they reside. is to enable the players to do what is needed and not get caught. Given the very short glow time of the modern drugs, very hard to get caught.
This is not to have a go a Rooke or even the GFC but, in all likelihood what we are seeing being played out at EFC currently is, imho, indeed what goes on elsewhere but "off reservation" a more private matter.

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[fabulousphil]

Aren't generalisations fun?

I'm probably the most vocal Hawthorn poster here, and I'm a militant Atheist who has absolutely no care for which sky fairy you or anyone else wants to believe in.



Generally, I don't like bullshit.

Essendon have been spouting bullshit for more than 18 months in an attempt to cover up what took place there.

Hawthorn supporters are not alone in being able to piece together this "duck". Not only does this saga, look, walk and talk like a duck, but the guy who pet it on the head every day and gave it bread crumbs is now trying to have all evidence of its appearance suppressed and/or thrown out.

We come here because we didn't like your club to begin with(for varying reasons) and that you are now thrashing around trying to squeeze through on technicalities, contradicting yourselves, suggesting it's not what it looks like, has us pretty enthralled.

You may have to excuse who I barrack for though, as it's pretty plain to see there's a growing number of posters from all clubs who have a large amount of disdain for a club and coach who've failed dismally to create sympathy for a club orchestrated injection program that's main aim was to mirror the benefits of HGH.

thanks

Pretty bizarre long answer for no care

 

[threesixpio]

Aren't generalisations fun?

I'm probably the most vocal Hawthorn poster here, and I'm a militant Atheist who has absolutely no care for which sky fairy you or anyone else wants to believe in.



Generally, I don't like bullshit.

Essendon have been spouting bullshit for more than 18 months in an attempt to cover up what took place there.

Hawthorn supporters are not alone in being able to piece together this "duck". Not only does this saga, look, walk and talk like a duck, but the guy who pet it on the head every day and gave it bread crumbs is now trying to have all evidence of its appearance suppressed and/or thrown out.

We come here because we didn't like your club to begin with(for varying reasons) and that you are now thrashing around trying to squeeze through on technicalities, contradicting yourselves, suggesting it's not what it looks like, has us pretty enthralled.

You may have to excuse who I barrack for though, as it's pretty plain to see there's a growing number of posters from all clubs who have a large amount of disdain for a club and coach who've failed dismally to create sympathy for a club orchestrated injection program that's main aim was to mirror the benefits of HGH.

Once he causes a general disdain for Hawthorn posters he'll redirect to Carlton or whoever. Freo supporter my ass. What a crock of sh&t.

 

[fabulousphil]

Hird is either naïve, greedy or stupid. I’m not sure which one yet.

.

Quite easy to be extremely intelligent and naïve at the same time.

Some people are born not so bright but have a built in rat cunning that sees them dodge trouble and shift blame.

 

[Albert Ross]

Where are the scholarly papers declaring the efficacy of Hylart which was use on Max Rooke's injuries during his German treatment? As far as I can see there are none. A 2005 newspaper article was the only bit of info I could glean on a quick google. It does claim that it is a combination of "fluid drawn from compressing the comb on a cockerel's head, and anti-inflammatory drugs." Gee, that science sure stacks up for me - well worth it to jump on a plane etc etc etc.

Those articles say that the German doctor used Hylart as one of his treatments, not that Rooke received it. They do say that Rooke received "extract of calf's blood" which is Actovegin. http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/07/new-drug.html

 

[threesixpio]

thanks

Pretty bizarre long answer for no care

You directed a generalised disdain for Hawthorn posters on this board based on a set of pathetic generalisations. Did you see how many "likes" Echols got from non Hawthorn supporting posters (who might despise Hawthorn as a team)? The "likes" were based on your post being complete BS - not because they have some pro-Hawthorn stance. Your posting on this board is a joke and this view of you is shared by posters of all creeds, supporter bases, race, class etc. And by the way - you turning this issue into "Aussie battler players" against ASADA is ridiculous. Back to ignoring you...

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

Those articles say that the German doctor used Hylart as one of his treatments, not that Rooke received it. They do say that Rooke received "extract of calf's blood" which is Actovegin. http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/07/new-drug.html

http://www.injuryupdate.com.au/forum/showthread.php?4893-Rooke-chases-German-hammy-fix
Maybe its correct, maybe it is not. The observation regarding going off reservation is, imho still valid.

 

[fabulousphil]

You directed a generalised disdain for Hawthorn posters on this board based on a set of pathetic generalisations. Did you see how many "likes" Echols got from non Hawthorn supporting posters (who might despise Hawthorn as a team)? The "likes" were based on your post being complete BS - not because they have some pro-Hawthorn stance. Your posting on this board is a joke and this view of you is shared by posters of all creeds, supporter bases, race, class etc. And by the way - you turning this issue into "Aussie battler players" against ASADA is ridiculous. Back to ignoring you...

LOL, this could really be a case of truth hurts ?

Read his post, Mr echo actually generalises as well, but claims he doesn't.

Are you really so immature that you believe that likes proves posts are either BS or correct.

Direct a post to me then claim you are going to put me on ignore

Have you had your coffee yet this morning ?.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Now that was an entertaining read. I just keep picturing Smithers in a dark car park.

 

[mysainters]

Whoah. This is heavy Doc....

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

thanks

Pretty bizarre long answer for no care

Comprehension of my post severely lacking it seems.

I don't care about your theories on linkage between supporters and religious beliefs.

I certainly do care about Essendon's long running campaign of BS and spin.

 

[Chameleon75]

Not so, ASADA has routinely been down to Geelong since 2007 to have a look:
Cats players were subjected to intense scrutiny from drug testers after they started their amazing winning streak in 2007, which ultimately led to their drought-breaking premiership.

"This team was suddenly winning everything and I guess ASADA thought, 'What's going on here?'," the source said.
"ASADA had drug testers there all the time, but there was certainly nothing sinister behind what we were doing.

"Do the simple things well was the philosophy and it was very, very simple what we were doing. There was no rocket science behind it."

While the AFL yesterday refused to reveal whether Geelong would come under investigation, Cook reaffirmed the club's doors would be open if the league chose to do so.

"The club is fully committed to assisting the AFL and ASADA in this investigation," he said.

"The club's doctors, and not any sport science staff, directly determine all treatments and the use of all supplements by players."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...fitness-programs/story-e6frg6n6-1226572047516

You missed the point. It was a discussion about a forensic audit, no if testing has occurred.

 

[romeoh]

Where are the scholarly papers declaring the efficacy of Hylart which was use on Max Rooke's injuries during his German treatment? As far as I can see there are none. A 2005 newspaper article was the only bit of info I could glean on a quick google. It does claim that it is a combination of "fluid drawn from compressing the comb on a cockerel's head, and anti-inflammatory drugs." Gee, that science sure stacks up for me - well worth it to jump on a plane etc etc etc.
I know it is not "evidence" and, I have none to put forward, but, the whole role of the Danks of this world - no matter in which country they reside. is to enable the players to do what is needed and not get caught. Given the very short glow time of the modern drugs, very hard to get caught.
This is not to have a go a Rooke or even the GFC but, in all likelihood what we are seeing being played out at EFC currently is, imho, indeed what goes on elsewhere but "off reservation" a more private matter.

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Yep I agree with some of this but it has been a long time now and I have seen nothing to suggest Geelong were 'up to no good'. So in the absence of anything other than speculation it seems a bit lame, that's all. Happy for people to come up with material, and if they do, then its a different ballgame. But until if and when-what's the point of sullying Geelong( or anyone else )?

 

[CozzaD]

Hi all,
Good morning. Further to yesterdays’ initial email, today’s one focuses on the ”Dean Robinson Defamation” case. The inference and link is that, again, Bill Kelty had more of a hand in this the we are being led to believe.

You may remember from my initial email yesterday that we discussed Bill Kelty is in a ‘Conflict of Interest’ dilemma, being an AFL Commissioner and a Board Member of David Evans Private Company, Evans and Partner. Kelty is also an ex-ACTU President.

I also referred to possible ALP interference in all this. Most of my data presented to date has an “ALP/Union” tone/link to it.

Now read the sequence of events below.

1. Base Story starts by outlining how the AFL/Essendon engaged “Essential Media Communications” to help strategize the response to Essendon/ASADA matter in early February 2013 (see: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...egoat-court-told/story-fni0fee2-1227043770111)

“A FORMER strength coach with the Bombers has alleged a spin doctor came up with the idea to blame “rogue operators’’ for the supplements scandal and used dumped fitness chief Dean Robinson as a “scapegoat’’, the Supreme Court has heard.

Suki Hobson, who quit the Bombers late last year, allegedly told Robinson she attended a meeting in March last year with club chiefs in which Essential Media Communications director Elizabeth Lukin spoke about a “rogue operator strategy’’.”

2. Base “Essential Media” website, showing offices in Sydney and Melbourne (http://essentialmedia.com.au/contact/)

3. ASIC records show “Essential Media” (via ABN 48 074 671 462) to be really based in Brisbane, in the same building as the ALP’s Queensland offices (Building is TLC Building, 16 Peel Street Brisbane. Essential Media is on Level 3, ALP Queensland is on Level 1)

4. Further digging shows Essential Media Communications to be specialists advisors to both the Australian Labor Party and to the ACTU (Trade Union Council)

Example articles that show this are: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-19/lewiswoods-values/4581706 and http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/29/the-power-index-election-deciders-ad-creatives-at-6/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

Quotes from the two links just provided include: “Question design and analysis are carried out by Essential Research, the research arm of Essential Media Communications.” And “Essential Media Communications, the progressive polling and campaigning outfit behind the Australian Council of Trade Unions’ 2007 Your Rights at Work campaign, is now running the show. Labor sources say the crew is already working hard at EMC’s Sussex Street HQ, with ALP assistant national secretary Nick Martin overseeing efforts.”

5. Current AFL Commissioner Bill Kelty is also ex ACTU President. It’s highly possible that in early Feb 2013, when Essendon/ASADA was about to ‘break’ that Essential Media Communications was called into AFL House, and that’s the meeting Dean Robinson is taking Court action against, as stated in the Media articles of 1 September 2014.

Attachments, showing screenshots and ‘directions’ on how to extract the data I have found, I have also.

CozzaD

 

[Baltimore Jack]

So Essential Media have more than Essendon as a Client? That is what you have come up with?

 

[moistie]

Hawthorn's history is not as long, but they have a incredible amount of similarity to Essendon in regards to traditional Protestant demos, a middle class conservative outlook etc etc , hence IMO Hawthorn is the true traditional foe of Essendon far more IMO than North Melbourne.

And that is why you will find a extra amount of Hawthorn fans on the HTB laying the boot in, some are far more obvious than others though, some names crop up every day.

They can't help it, doesn't really matter at the end of the day to them whether Essendon is guilty or not.

I am neither religious nor conservative and you will find a fair chunk of Hawthorn's supporter base is the same.

You will find the greater cause of dislike of Essendon by Hawthorn supporters commenced between 1983-85, grew in the ongoing stoushes in the 80's (Brereton running through the Essendon huddle a prime example), was reinforced through the 90s when Essendon used to beat us up for fun, was strengthened by a 9 point loss in the 2001 Preliminary Final with one of the most one sided umpiring displays gifting Essendon four goals in the first quarter and seared into our marrow with the Line in the Sand game.

Religion and political persuasion is a very long way down the queue.

 

[CozzaD]

Ill have a guess

Port Power - ALP
Richmond - ALP
Sydney Swans - neutral
St Kilda - neutral/no allegiance
Bulldogs - ALP
West Coast - Libs

St Kilda would be more ALP. Lindsay Fox comes to mind.

 

[NO_CSG]

Strange that all this info on ALP involvement should come to light just 2 weeks before an election....

 

[TerryWallet]

Strange that all this info on ALP involvement should come to light just 2 weeks before an election....

And being emailed to an email list

 

[old55]

I am neither religious nor conservative and you will find a fair chunk of Hawthorn's supporter base is the same.

You will find the greater cause of dislike of Essendon by Hawthorn supporters commenced between 1983-85, grew in the ongoing stoushes in the 80's (Brereton running through the Essendon huddle a prime example), was reinforced through the 90s when Essendon used to beat us up for fun, was strengthened by a 9 point loss in the 2001 Preliminary Final with one of the most one sided umpiring displays gifting Essendon four goals in the first quarter and seared into our marrow with the Line in the Sand game.

Religion and political persuasion is a very long way down the queue.

"Line in the sand" game. Agree that the rivalry is about recent on field stuff not class or religious differences. Might have once applied say to Collingwood vs Melbourne up to the 50s but now it's a just a faint echo in the minds of older generation supporters.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

And being emailed to an email list

Indeed.

Look, it's interesting stuff, but nothing particularly new and clearly the author has no interest in the Hird case per se (nor even any more than a superficial understanding thereof). Rather, he has a political agenda and as someone else suggested, it might be better off in another thread.

Let's leave this thread for Martin Hardy (sic) to push his own agenda instead, in his delightfully wacky pseudo-intellectual way.

 

[CozzaD]

Strange that all this info on ALP involvement should come to light just 2 weeks before an election....

Doesn’t mean that it’s not true. PS, I'm not politically affiliated...but I do believe I calling out bullshit when needed. And again, plenty more to come.