Same here. He looks like he's got plenty to offer for test cricket not the least being a very good temperament for such an inexperienced player at this level. Bit like Mitch Marsh in that way.
Pick the Australian squad for the 2019 World Cup
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I rate him, I have him as a walkup start to the test side now.
I just had to pick between Cummins and Hazwelwood for a 2019 World Cup. I opted for Cummins for his pace, and the fact that Hazerlwood might be our test specialist by then!
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Cummins' performance lags a long way behind the vaulting expectations.
Still very young, but I'm inclined to keep my powder dry until he strings a few games together.
Turner is an interesting one. Like Maxwell early on in his career, he has done some pretty nice things but still could argue nothing yet substantial. Those nice things are clearly of a pretty high quality though and CA like him as a leader so hopefully his career follows a similar upward trajectory as Maxwell's has.
Surely Finch isn't a lock for the ODI side now. Would hate to see what quality bowlers would do to him in English conditions.
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Is Warner a lock?
People will look at Warner's WC average and conclude he had a good tournament but he made one score of 50+ and that was against Afghanistan.
Against Test-quality opposition, he made 146 runs at 24, with his 45 in the final his best effort.
By comparison, against Test-quality opposition, Finch made 256 runs at 42.
Finch also has a superior ODI record overall.
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Needs to do better but should be in the side currently, unlike Finch at least he has a half decent technique.
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Who had a better WC out of Warner and Finch?
Pretty similar.
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I think Warner is a fairly ordinary ODI player. I think his form in the other two formats keeps him in and seems to just knock up a score before any real rumbles about his spot come up.
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It shouldn't be the case, which is why he is in the team.
His record isn't dire, but I'd expect more. And I think he will improve, largely because I can't see a reason for him not to. I think he needs to find a "middle gear" when batting in ODIs. Hit out for the first few overs, then consolidate when the field goes back.
He is also our best fieldsman (or if not very close to) which is consequential in the ODI game.
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His average?
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I don't think they'll drop him in the foreseeable future tbh.
My gut says he will push his average toward 40 over the next couple of years.
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Both Warner and Finch are the weak links in the current ODI side.
However, if you had to bank on one of them 'coming good' - which one would you lean to?
Personally, I would lean to Warner as he has all the tools to be a very good ODI player, despite his sub standard record so far.
Finch on the other hand is a limited player (in my view)
Everyone goes on about Watson getting dropped for 4 in the Pakistan game, Finch was dropped on 0 against England from a relatively simple chance.
I'm not sure he would have made it to the semi final if that catch had been grasped.
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The difference is that Finch has been better performed.
Finch made 792 runs at 43 in 2014. And, at the World Cup, he made 256 runs at 42 against the Test-quality sides.
Reasonable numbers, I'm sure you'll agree.
I prefer to assess them based on performance.
Yet Finch has been better performed.
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Yes, he has. But who do you think will have the best overall record between the 2 at the end of their careers?
Why do you exclude Finch lack of runs vs minnows when quoting stats? If they are so bad, Warner's runs should be discounted - isn't it even more concerning that Finch couldn't score against them?
They were the 2 clear weak links in the team. Warner I personally believe will improve and has the ability and tools to do so. Finch is playing about as well as evidence suggests he can.
Why do you exclude Finch lack of runs vs minnows when quoting stats? If they are so bad, Warner's runs should be discounted - isn't it even more concerning that Finch couldn't score against them?
They were the 2 clear weak links in the team. Warner I personally believe will improve and has the ability and tools to do so. Finch is playing about as well as evidence suggests he can.
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I'm assessing them based on actual performance. I'm not sure why you're so resistant to that.
Based on performance, Warner is the one who should be under pressure.
Because those matches are inconsequential. Unless you're England.
Concerning?
I'm not sure what that means in this conversation.
The matches that mattered were the ones against Test-quality sides. In those matches, Finch made 256 runs at 42.
So does it really make sense to turn around and criticise him for not scoring runs against Afghanistan?
Well, if he averages 42 again this year, as he did last year, that's good enough to keep him in the side, isn't it?
Warner, on the other hand, needs to improve.
Just lol at picking and choosing which opponents to include, and then keeping England in which of course Finch mostly scored his runs against (and should have comfortably been caught for a duck that day..) just because they are a 'Test' side. They were absolutely putrid for the WC and couldn't even make the quarters, they were essentially a 'minnow' this tournament..
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Sure, if you recognise no distinction between matches against minnows and matches against Test-playing nations. I see a distinction there, particularly at a World Cup.
If you look at the way the World Cup was designed, I'd say it's pretty clear that Australia's matches against Test-playing nations counted for more than the matches against Afghanistan and Scotland.
Those matches against Test-playing nations determined the pecking order for the quarter-finals, while the matches against Afghanistan and Scotland were glorified exhibitions.
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No.
We're picking a side for the 2019 World Cup.
Which is entirely based on predictions and guesses, not performance.
On that basis, my prediction is that Warner will still be in the team and Finch won't.
That's based on assumptions of what may happen in the next 3-4 years, not whether or not Finch and Warner scored as many as they should have in this World Cup. My prediction is that while in my view, they have both underperformed in their role - Warner will improve while Finch will not, in fact I think he will go backwards.
This is a prediction, its not up for long and tiresome debate from you, because its my opinion based on available evidence in front of me.
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