Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood
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First you say you don’t hate the crows in the other thread and now this garbage.
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How does what Port wear affect Carringbush in ANY WAY AT ALL?
Check out how many teams wear identical colors in the EPL. Does it make them lose their heritage? No, what a ridiculous claim.
| Team | Home | Away |
|---|---|---|
| Accrington Stanley | Red | Sky Blue |
| AFC Bournemouth | Red & Black Stripes | Blue & Black |
| AFC Wimbledon | Blue | Yellow |
| Arsenal | Red & White | Gold & Blue |
| Aston Villa | Claret & Blue | Blue & Claret |
| Barnet | Black & Orange | Blue |
| Barnsley | Red & White | Blue |
| Barrow AFC | Blue & White | Green & Black |
| Birmingham City | Blue with White | Grey & Black |
| Blackburn Rovers | Blue & White | Grey & Green |
| Blackpool | Orange & White | Dark & Light Blue Stripes |
| Bolton Wanderers | White & Blue | Yellow |
| Bradford City | Claret & Amber | Navy & Amber |
| Brentford | Red & White Stripes | Green |
| Brighton & Hove Albion | Blue & White Stripes | Dark Grey |
| Bristol City | Red & White | Black |
| Bristol Rovers | Blue & White Squares | Grey/Blue |
| Burnley FC | Claret & Light Blue | Light Blue |
| Burton Albion | Yellow & Black | White with Yellow |
| Bury | White & Blue | Blue, Grey and Black |
| Cambridge United | Yellow & Black Stripes | Black & Yellow |
| Carlisle United | Blue & White | Black & Yellow |
| Charlton Athletic | Red & White | Black |
| Chelsea | Blue | White |
| Cheltenham Town | Red, White & Black | Yellow |
| Chesterfield | Blue & White | Red & White |
| Colchester United | Blue & White | Green and Yellow |
| Coventry City | Sky Blue | Yellow & Blue |
| Crawley Town | Red & White | Dark Blue & Light Blue |
| Crewe Alexandra | Red & White | Blue |
| Crystal Palace | Red & Blue | Black |
| Dagenham & Redbridge | Blue & Red Stripes | White & Blue |
| Derby County | White with Black | Light Blue |
| Doncaster Rovers | Red & White Stripes | Blue & Yellow |
| England | White | Navy Blue |
| Everton | Blue and White | Pink and Blue |
| Exeter City | Red, White & Black | Yellow & Black |
| Fleetwood Town | Red & White | Yellow |
| Forest Green Rovers | Bright Green & Black | Black & White |
| Fulham | White & Black | Red with Faded Black Stripes |
| Gillingham | Blue | Red |
| Gloucester City | Black & Yellow | White, Red & Black |
| Grimsby Town | Black, White & Red | Blue |
| Harrogate Town | Yellow & Black | Sky Blue |
| Hartlepool United | Blue & White Stripes | Yellow |
| Huddersfield Town | Blue & White Stripes | Blue |
| Hull City | Orange & Black | White |
| Ipswich Town | Blue with White | Maroon with Blue |
| Kingstonian | Red, White and Black | Yellow |
| Leeds United | White | Grey & Pink |
| Leicester City | Blue & White | Pink & Black |
| Leyton Orient | Red | Blue |
| Lincoln City | Red & White Stripes | Grey with Blue |
| Liverpool | Red with white detail | White with red detail |
| Luton Town | Orange & Blue | White & Blue |
| Macclesfield Town Football Club | Blue & White | Red & Black |
| Manchester City | Sky Blue & White | Black |
| Manchester United | Red, White and Black | White and Black |
| Mansfield Town | Yellow & Blue | White & Blue Stripes |
| Middlesbrough | Red with White | White, Red, Blue |
| Millwall | Black & White | Yellow & Black |
| MK Dons | White with Gold | Red with Gold |
| Morecambe | Red & Black Stripes | White & Black |
| Newcastle United | Black & White stripes | Green |
| Northampton Town | Maroon & White | Black & White |
| Norwich City | Yellow & Green | Red & Orange |
| Nottingham Forest | Red | Dark & Light Blue |
| Notts County | Black & White Stripes | Blue with Grey Cheque |
| Oldham Athletic | Blue and White | Orange and Blue |
| Oxford United | Yellow & Blue | White with Yellow/Blue Sash |
| Peterborough United | Blue & White | Black & Purple |
| Plymouth Argyle | Green, White & Black | White & Green |
| Port Vale | Yellow, Black & White | Black & Yellow |
| Portsmouth | Blue, White & Red | Grey |
| Preston North End | White & Blue | Yellow |
| Queens Park Rangers | Blue & White Hoops | Turquoise |
| Reading | Blue & White | Black & Grey |
| Rochdale | Blue with Black Stripes | Grey with Centre Stripe |
| Rotherham United | Red & White | White & Red |
| Salford City FC | Red & White | Black & White |
| Scampaignerhorpe United | Claret & Blue | Green and Black |
| Sheffield United | Red & White | White & Red |
| Sheffield Wednesday | Blue & White Stripe | Green & White |
| Shrewsbury Town | Blue and Yellow Stripes | Purple |
| Southampton | Red & White stripes | Yellow & Grey |
| Southend United | Blue and White | Yellow and Black |
| Stevenage | Red & White | Blue & Black |
| Stoke City | Red & White stripes | Black & Grey |
| Sunderland | Red & White stripes | Blue with Red |
| Swindon Town | Red & White | Green Cheque |
| Tottenham Hotspur | White & Cadet Blue | Cadet Blue |
| Tranmere Rovers | White with Blue | Maroon Patterned |
| Walsall | Red, White and Black | Blue & White |
| Watford | Yellow & Black Stripes | Blue & White Pinstripe |
| West Bromwich Albion | Navy Blue & White Stripes | Yellow & Green Stripes |
| West Ham United | Claret & Blue | White |
| Wigan Athletic | Blue & White Stripes | Red |
| Wolverhampton Wanderers | Orange with Black | Black with Orange |
| Wycombe Wanderers | Dark Blue & Light Blue | Yellow |
| Yeovil Town | Green & White Stripe | Black & Grey Cheque |
| York City | Red & Blue | White & Red |
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Teams often wear their 2nd or 3rd strip for away games even when there is no clash. It's a marketing opportunity to sell more shirts. I'm surprised the AFL clubs haven't caught on.
“Teal is your identity now”
Yes, some foolish Collingwood supporters are lecturing supporters of another club about what their identity is.
Yes, some foolish Collingwood supporters are lecturing supporters of another club about what their identity is.
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Left field twist: Geelong wears the Prison Bars on Saturday night.
Would barely make their clash with Collingwood any worse.
Would barely make their clash with Collingwood any worse.
You know that the AFL set a precedent with similar colours when they admitted Adelaide into the competition with red, yellow and blue?
Another Vic team in the competition had those colours? Fitzroy.
Did anyone really, truly think that Adelaide were stealing Fitzroys heritage? Of course not. Some wouldn't have even noticed. Some are probably realising this for the first time, reading those words.
It's only Collingwood and Eddie that are rattling the cage here, because it's not something that's happening that is resulting in a net financial gain for the club. Good on em I say. Ditch whatever history doesn't make them money, and selectively keep the history that does and argue for the sake of tradition.
I think the ones that have to answer to this are the AFL. They own the rights to the club logos, brands, guernsey's, colours for a national football comp. They can, and should have, made this simple decision years ago. Ask them why they don't, not Collingwood.
And also for those who may not know, the prison bar name for the guernsey was originally a derogatory term by opponents for its design, the white actually represents the wharves / pylons along the Port River. There is community history and ties involved there, not just a cool design that we could add teal to.
Interesting listening to Mark Williams take on it last night on the front bar.
Absolute legend of both clubs Port Magpies and Port Power and he said the Powers identity has teal and they should stick with it.
He did also say that Port should be able to wear the magpies guernsey when they play against the crows. He also said it’s never been called the prison bar guernsey by Port Adelaide, it’s some new thing the media has called it.
I’d be okay with just against the crows but that’s where it should stop
Absolute legend of both clubs Port Magpies and Port Power and he said the Powers identity has teal and they should stick with it.
He did also say that Port should be able to wear the magpies guernsey when they play against the crows. He also said it’s never been called the prison bar guernsey by Port Adelaide, it’s some new thing the media has called it.
I’d be okay with just against the crows but that’s where it should stop
Others may not but I certainly like it. I think you are alluding to it but I don't think this argument would be playing out if this was your current strip.
There are a few arguments to be had here (all my opinion):
- "Port should be able to wear the bars" - Maybe yes, maybe no. Personally, I'm not sure. While the club grew from the SANFL club I think it's fair to say there is at least a fork in the road in 1997 when their SANFL side kept the bars and the AFL side added teal. It's a question for the voting members (so they can vote for it at the AGM and then let the board do it's job) on whether it's the colours, the design or the whole lot that they would like to see. I'm not sure if I can be subjective on this part of the issue but if Richmond were to step up in competitions (if the AFL wasn't the pinnacle) I think it's fair that we change from being the tigers in our current strip with the obvious one being our reversed away guernsey. My personal opinion is that reversing colours doesn't really work for stripes/hoops as the difference in the reversed striped doesn't really meet the intent of a clash strip. which leads me to...
- "Collingwood flouts the clash strip rules so why shouldn't we flout the rules too" - Yeah, I agree and I don't like Eddie's argument of black on white vs white on black. If you have to do deals with the likes of Geelong to meet the requirement of a clash strip then it isn't really a clash strip. This is where I think the argument really stands up for Port - why can't they wear the bars as a clash or away strip? Again, it'd be up to the club and it's members on what to fight for (i.e. how often they want to wear the bars) but in all negotiations there is compromise and from an outsider looking in this would be fair.
- "Collingwood has a contract signed with Port Adelaide" - pretty simple one here - produce said contract. It doesn't even need to be made public, just produced to the AFL to stop the argument. If no contract can be found the Port Adelaide has a really good argument to change what they wear. If there is a contract then it's simply Koch grandstanding on an issue he has no control over and trying to paint Collingwood/Eddie as the bad guy and vice-versa if there isn't. Contracts can be changed but all parties need to be happy to change. If Collingwood isn't happy then that should be the end of it, although there is no harm in asking.
Was there ever a guernsey produced in 1990 when Port were first accepted into the AFL? If so, what was it? Was a contract signed with Collingwood then? Did Port even get to that stage (I know they were pretty advanced so I'd be surprised if they didn't).
What's the right answer? I don't know. This really should have been sorted out between Collingwood, Port Adelaide and the AFL long ago.
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It's not a Magpies guernsey, it's a Port Adelaide guernsey.
The "prison bar" nickname came sometime in the 1970s/80s where opposition supporters (mainly Norwood) used it as an insult. It was very quickly co-opted by Port supporters as a badge of honour and it has stuck.
I've been a Port supporter since the mid-70s and clearly remember the guernsey being referred to as 'prison bars' around the late 80s. It ramped up in the 90s due to the our bid to join the VFL/AFL and has been in play since then.
I have never once heard it being referred to as the "wharf pylon guernsey" unless its someone 'correcting' the prison bar name. Even though this was understood as the inspiration for the design, it never entered the vernacular as a recognised nickname for the guernsey. Unlike Prison Bars or just The Bars.
It's not new and it is used by the club internally.
You may be thinking of the recent use of the term 'prison bars' for Collingwood's guernsey. That is certainly something new that has been driven by the media.
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Your identity isn't based on what you did first, it's what you did most.
We've worn some of our AFL guernsey designs more than we've worn the two you've highlighted.
Which is not to say that those guernseys are unimportant, they're very important, and have featured in our heritage rounds, merchandise, memorabilia, and had a strong presence in our 150th celebrations. We certainly do not hide the fact that these are part of our history.
To deny that the prison bar design is not intrinsic to the identity of the Port Adelaide Football Club shows a complete lack of knowledge about the history of Australian Football.
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Just like the AFL has made a perfectly good suggestion, if every club needs a clash guernsey - ******* make one.
What happened in the 1800's is not relevant.
What's relevant in the TV age is that clubs need an away guernsey. Arguing they'd never worn one in the VFL/SANFL doesn't matter.
The home team wears their kit and the away team wears one that doesn't clash.
There's not much more to debate.
What's relevant in the TV age is that clubs need an away guernsey. Arguing they'd never worn one in the VFL/SANFL doesn't matter.
The home team wears their kit and the away team wears one that doesn't clash.
There's not much more to debate.
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It has nothing to do with Eddie so his opinion should be null and void.
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EPL? That's your argument? No one gives a flying about the epl, this is the VFL/ AFL sunshine. Port Adelaide joined this competition with an agreement, you can't just walk in and demand your club is allowed to wear a jumper that clashes with ours.
We were here first, and wore the stripes first, suck it up mate.
Agree, it's up HQ to decide, and I'm not debating that.
My issue is some Port fans actually have the audacity to just walk in, demand that their team can wear the prison bars at the expense of my clubs heritage. So no surprises I / we say * off!
And then there's the attitude of 'how dare you' - ok no ones actually posted that (that I know of). Not the point! The sentiment is there.
We wore the black and white stripes before Port wore the prison bars, and we were in this competition before Port were. So I say to those Port fans who obviously have zero empathy * off!
First / most? Not the point, we all know if Port wore the prison bars against Collingwood it would be a jumper clash. So something has to give, and I doubt Collingwood is gonna give up it's own heritage to allow a club that has been in the comp for 5 minutes to wear the prison bars at it's own expense.
NO ONE is denying the heritage of the Port Adelaide football club, it's been one of the highest profile organizations in the country for well over 100 years.
Not the point, to wear the bars would come at an expense for another club that wore the stripes before Port did and has been in this comp before Port. To ask for it is arrogant. So I say * off!
Serious question: why isn't your AFLW worthy of wearing the traditional Collingwood guernsey?
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It's called not wearing it against Collingwood dumbass.
I hope the irony is not lost on you.
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Not sure why people don't see the legal ramifications going on. AFL is a business. AFL Clubs are businesses. Collingwood is worth more money than Port. Much more. And is the most well known and one of the richest sporting clubs in Australia. They will not allow this due to a conflict of interest and Trademark breach.
People saying its ok as long as they don't play against Collingwood in it is not the problem at all. It's the fact that Port will be financially benefiting from resembling Collingwood too closely.
People saying its ok as long as they don't play against Collingwood in it is not the problem at all. It's the fact that Port will be financially benefiting from resembling Collingwood too closely.
How will exactly port financially benefit from resembling Collingwood exactly?
Collingwood supporters suddenly start buying port jumpers? You hear that pies supporters aren’t bright but that would be on a whole new level.
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That doesn't matter. It's how copyright law works
McDonalds just sued Hungry Jacks over the Big Jack. Do people go to Hungry Jacks thinking they are getting McDonalds?
You might say I'm biased because I'm a Collingwood supporter. But I understand why Collingwood wouldn't want this. If I owned a business, I wouldn't want someone using my image and name either. And before anyone says "but Port has been around since 1850".. yes in the SANFL. Collingwood was in the VFL, which became the AFL. Collingwood did not change a league or join a new league. They have been in the same league the entire time. Port moved form the SANFL to the AFL and under that movement they agreed to have color X and name X.
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