Roughie's role

[fronkalicious]

Reckon this deserves its own thread.

I think there are 2 scenarios here:

1. Tall ball - this involves roughie playing back on the second ruckman, and shadowing said player into the ruck. Ideal for guys like Sinclair, brown, Tippett, vickery, Ryder, Stanley/Clarke, witts/Grundy, Patton, hale etc.

2. Small ball - involves playing a hamling/cordy/wood on the resting ruckman and roughie playing in the ruck.

I really don't see him playing in the same forward line as Boyd very often at all.

 

[Super Hans]

Anything but full back, second ruckmen to BTC or whoever we get would be ideal.

 

[Dogsman16]

Jordan needs to play around 6 weeks in the 2's to start off season 2016 and play almost in the same position and dominate.

Whether thats as a main ruck or as a full forward/ruck chop out, I really don't know but I am desperate to see him completely dominate a game, whether that be at VFL or AFL level.

Forget about him in defence, don't like him there. Probably the best way to go is for him to spend considerable amounts of time forward as the 2nd ruck. That means he needs to take far more marks inside forward 50 and kick goals. Thats his ticket into the best 22 which I currently don't have him in.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Depends a bit on who we recruit. And how Roughy goes if he trains a full preseason as a ruck.

If we don't recruit a ruck and Roughy trains in that role well over summer, then I can see him potentially playing a first ruck role. But then depending on match ups Campbell could come in and Roughy plays second ruck and defends/follows their resting ruck.

Alternative could be we play Campbell (or new recruit) as 1st ruck and Roughy plays as a (very tall) utility wherever needed.

 

[Golden_6]

Roughie got pushed down back because Minson had the 1st ruck spot locked down.

Is there any reason why he simply can't be our first ruck? Is his ruck work itself a problem? On the surface he's the ruck we all want. Relatively mobile, smart, good mark, courageous and versatile.

 

[igloo dweller]

I've got him pegged as #1 ruck with the ability to play in the back line as match ups dictate (resting rucks).

Smarts are his best asset. His smarts help him be valuable as a link up guy around the ground and dropping behind the ball as required to help guard space.

His agility around the contest and ground level play is reasonable enough for a ruckman. Covers the ground well, fits the gameplan well in this regaed. His lack of explosiveness won't be exposed around the ground as it was by key forwards.

So...#1 ruck for me.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I wouldn't be playing him back. Hawthorn for example have played Hodge on the resting ruck quite a bit and that's been more beneficial to the team. We've used Wood in that role at times and it's worked very effectively. Perhaps Dickson and Tippett are forward/rucks that you need Roughead for, but if we get a Carlisle that should not be an issue.

He should be played as the No 1 ruck.

 

[Mofra]

Is there any reason why he simply can't be our first ruck? Is his ruck work itself a problem? On the surface he's the ruck we all want. Relatively mobile, smart, good mark, courageous and versatile.

He's been smashed in the ruck before, and durability is an issue
Perhaps give him a full pre-season at it but I have no idea where he plays.
Jack of all positions, master of none at the moment

 

[Yojimbo]

It should be passed as law that every team needs to play a
big slow campaigner so as Roughead has a match up every
week. Unfortunately in football when you have a weakness
other teams try to expose it and our game style and to an
extent personnel have weaknesses that don't need the
spying techniques of Michael Talia to expose.

It's almost like we seek out KPP's that have shoulder issues
on purpose.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Hate to say it but he will be fighting to be best 22 next year.

Bevo favors more mobile backs, so that rules that one out. He is too slow for FB, most forwards are just too nimble for him. Good on the slow rucks but that's it.

He hasn't really proved himself as a Ruck or Ruck/forward on a constant basis.

Needs a big year.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

I think Roughead's best role is as the second ruck, essentially as a centre bounce specialist such as in the GWS game. While he's not in the ruck he's versatile enough to play forward or play loose across the backline.

With the sub rule being abolished a role like this probably becomes available which wasn't available with only three on the bench.

Obvious issue with this is we've been very dangerous with the small forward line when Redpath or Boyd went in the ruck.

 

[BRWB]

Big if, but if he can stay fit could see Rough playing McEvoy role. Can play on resting rucks in defence can ruck a bit. Never shown much fwd, and even if he catches it he is a shocking set shot.

His best bet though is ruck IMO. Not sure if the talent or durability is there. Be interesting who we recruit and what role he plays.

Big year for him next year. I have some faith he can be an ok ruck if his body holds up. I love the way he jumps at it, like his marking and his field kicking is reasonable.

 

[DognBones]

I think Roughead's best role is as the second ruck, essentially as a centre bounce specialist such as in the GWS game. While he's not in the ruck he's versatile enough to play forward or play loose across the backline.

With the sub rule being abolished a role like this probably becomes available which wasn't available with only three on the bench.

Obvious issue with this is we've been very dangerous with the small forward line when Redpath or Boyd went in the ruck.

And this is the problem for Roughead; if he's to be a second ruck as you suggest, that would mean we'd have (probably) a 1st Ruck (Campbell, Minson, Mr X?), Rough, Redpath and Boyd all galloping around the oval worrying the life out of speedy opposition players.
Agree with others that he needs to demand a role based on his form and suitability but this will be very difficult IMO.

 

[yebiga]

1st ruck - no argument ,

 

[Snarls Barkley]

And this is the problem for Roughead; if he's to be a second ruck as you suggest, that would mean we'd have (probably) a 1st Ruck (Campbell, Minson, Mr X?), Rough, Redpath and Boyd all galloping around the oval worrying the life out of speedy opposition players.
Agree with others that he needs to demand a role based on his form and suitability but this will be very difficult IMO.

Exactly. Although, like this year, I don't think we'll see Boyd and Redpath playing much together.

At this stage I would have Roughead ahead of Campbell in the ruck stocks. Someone would need to be brought in or Minson to rediscover his form to run that set-up.

 

[King Harold]

I'm concerned Roughy will never reach the potential we all hoped for.
Whist he has played some good games down back , and the odd one rucking , can't remember him ever having a
" wow " game.
Not a fan ever of trying to convert ruckman into KPP , very rarely works. He has been used down back more through necessity . It's Ruck or just pinch hitting down back for me.
Big year coming up for Rough !

 

[Dazb86]

1st ruck IMO.

 

[Scottish Bob]

Am I the only one who sees him as a good prospect at FB? He's easily our most imposing defender. Can take a mark and can kick. He's been thown everywhere and anywhere around the team. He needs to settle in one position to progress. Use as second ruck when needed, don't chuck anywhere up top.

 

[Zgope1]

He started the year brilliantly down back but also was brilliant against the AA ruck when he went in there.

I say we use him as a ruck and play small ball and we go and grab a young key back to develop with Roberts and Hamling

 

[lachy]

With the removal of the dreaded sub and limited rotations Roughy can be the ultimate swingman or a first ruck or combination.

It's not his role I have a concern with, its getting his body right to be able to play these roles and to develop in them

 

[immortalmike]

With the removal of the dreaded sub and limited rotations Roughy can be the ultimate swingman or a first ruck or combination.

It's not his role I have a concern with, its getting his body right to be able to play these roles and to develop in them

This. His body is far more of an issue than his ability.

 

[Proffessor]

Like most people, I don't think Roughead is presently a first choice selection for any position on the field.
This of course presents selection issues when you consider his position as vice captain.

I think he needs to focus on improving his ability to present for a mark. This would help him in terms of playing as a mobile around the ground ruckman as well as a tall forward.

 

[lachy]

Like most people, I don't think Roughead is presently a first choice selection for any position on the field.
This of course presents selection issues when you consider his position as vice captain.

I think he needs to focus on improving his ability to present for a mark. This would help him in terms of playing as a mobile around the ground ruckman as well as a tall forward.

Not as worried about vice captain, there is a leadership group.

You are right there are aspects he needs to improve to become 1st Choice anything. The one you raise is important but also body positioning when he gets there, exploiting his movement for a big man and so on

However, unless he gets on the park for 15 to 20 games straight in the seniors it will never happen. He must focus first and foremost on getting his body right

 

[Unorth]

Well, problem is, he's just about played a new role every season. He's not been able to get a consistent run at one position. Starts as a forward (remember that Roughead/Cordy/Jones forward line? I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth), then gets moved to full back. As our #1 FB, he gets bags kicked on him. A lot of bags. Seems good on paper, he would seem to have the physical traits...But gets destroyed. So in what, the last third of this past season he gets thrown into the ruck, then injured.

I think he just needs more than one preseason working on one position. I wouldn't write him off as a ruck; he's had barely any experience in that position, no full preseason training to be the #1 ruck. Let him have this season being that. Let him have half of next season on the VFL working on his ruck skills if need be. I imagine it'd be hard for a player to find a position to lock down when he hasn't been given a clear and consistent role. With Bevo's style, he doesn't have to win a lot of hitouts. Just has to make a contest, tackle and mark the ball.

I agree at this point it doesn't look great for him. But he needs a good run at one position. The work he's done up forward and back will pay off when he has stints in those positions, the experience possibly giving him an edge over opposing rucks.

 

[Proffessor]

Not as worried about vice captain, there is a leadership group.

You are right there are aspects he needs to improve to become 1st Choice anything. The one you raise is important but also body positioning when he gets there, exploiting his movement for a big man and so on

However, unless he gets on the park for 15 to 20 games straight in the seniors it will never happen. He must focus first and foremost on getting his body right

It is an issue because when he fills the second highest leadership position, it will attract a lot of attention if he doesn't get selected and isn't injured.

If he can't improve his marking and value to the team then it doesn't matter if he is fit or not.
He shouldn't be selected until his performance warrants it. We have made enough of those mistakes in the past.